A game for 4 year olds

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Given all that’s been said and done I fully believe that a decent chunk of this playerbase especially those in this thread are willing to accept pretty much anything so long as it’s sanctioned by Yoshi, so they lose nothing if those of us wanting a more mature world and story get our way. They’ll play regardless. Whereas EW caused no small amount of us to quit with me being one of the last holdouts because I want to have money in case of the slim chance that 7.0 isn’t a disaster like this expansion was.

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I have seen this assumption from you before and none seems to adresa it so let me be the one to dispell this delusion of yours. If instead of the story we got we would have received, let's say, your version of the story, a lot more people would have quit the game. After throwing up first, of course. Or laughing histerically. So there's that.

As to your other disgusting assumptions of people's lives and how they're dealing with loss you should grow up. Like a lot. Mentally. And maybe talk less untill you do.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

Oh actually I think it's perfectly normal human thing. People see what they want to see when it comes to something they're passionate about, so even if the game is trash in its own theme and message, people will make it up in their head. It's just copium in the end.



You do realize your side has been doing the same thing all this time? In fact people like you are the one who started it. When someone said they can't relate to EW, the most used response is "Well, if you have experience loss, you'll appreciate/relate to it"

I won't be this spiteful towards the game if EW simps didn't try to gaslight me into feeling bad in the first place.

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You know what? No. You don't get to play victim on behalf of aveyond after he just told people how he thinks they should have dealt with loss and that they are lying about losing loved ones. And no, in this tread no one "started it" but him.

So maybe use your DARVO elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

That clapback doesn't really make sense because I was playing on the "lack morals" part of your post. As in, I don't have an opinion about you lacking morals, I just think you lack reading comprehension because you are reading a lot of stuff that posters are not saying in thier posts. (That you are a nazi, or lack morals, or haven't experienced loss.)

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I wasn't talking to you or about you when I said that part :p

Ah yes and of course more gaslighting "it's on you for overreading". Never mind that they rarely bothered to hid it behind sarcasm/smugness. Honestly if you're going to accuse me of that, I could use the same accusation and claim that you miss it on purpose.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Did you feel the same way the other time the game has said (insert really bad and maybe urgent thing is happening here) that it also has given about the same amount of showing? Cause it's been like that more than just now. So if you haven't then I wonder why it didn't stick this time. I let this slide due to the medium we're consuming. That and any other time the story has been all hey this thing is really important but we're not going to change the sky box for all zones. Just a few zones or so. I do wonder how their sky boxes are coded. If there's some kind of limit. For me it worked due to how it's explained. The thinnest places get hit first and the worst. And would see the most change. Not saying that at least visually it couldn't have been better cause they could have done more. Yet I do know some would have wanted sort of what happened during the end of 1.0 where there'd be random stuff happening. Which idk if they can do that

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I can't recall any situations even remotely near the same level of urgency throughout the MSQ save for the tail end of Shadowbringers, which incidentally was a much stronger push to see things through to see the end then what I got from anything in Endwalker.

I honestly think I got more catharsis from (Hopefully...) being rid of Zenos for good then I did the whole "saved the entire world" bit because it didn't feel like it was in grave danger it was stated to be with how limited the scope of the Final Days was.

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Originally Posted by CheshCa7

You know what? No. You don't get to play victim on behalf of aveyond after he just told people how he thinks they should have dealt with loss and that they are lying about losing loved ones. And no, in this tread no one "started it" but him.

So maybe use your DARVO elsewhere.

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It's not play victim, but calling people out on hypocrisy. During an argument about EW, someone said to my face that me not able to moved on after traumatic experience is wrong because "you have to forge ahead".
So yeah, how isn't that not "telling people how to deal with loss"?

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Originally Posted by CheshCa7

I have seen this assumption from you before and none seems to adresa it so let me be the one to dispell this delusion of yours. If instead of the story we got we would have received, let's say, your version of the story, a lot more people would have quit the game. After throwing up first, of course. Or laughing histerically. So there's that.

As to your other disgusting assumptions of people's lives and how they're dealing with loss you should grow up. Like a lot. Mentally. And maybe talk less untill you do.

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Speaking for myself, I can say that if Endwalker went the direction of Aveyond's rewrite fanfiction (although I'm not sure 'fan' is the right term in this context), I probably wouldn't have even finished it. That story was so full of... at best highly questionable viewpoints and ideas, at worst diverging into being hateful and concerning. I do not want to experience that sort of story, which is why a list of my favorite stories likely has very little overlap with theirs. And a big part of why I play FFXIV is that its story has never been anywhere near that hateful on any level; if Endwalker suddenly diverged into the likes of Aveyond's rewrite, it would've felt like a betrayal of all that had come before.

Not everyone hateplays a game; generally speaking, that's not fun for most people. Even less people continue hateplaying and wallowing in being that negative around the game's community for nearly an entire year afterwards. most people move on and find other things to do with their life!

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I honestly think I got more catharsis from (Hopefully...) being rid of Zenos for good then I did the whole "saved the entire world" bit because it didn't feel like it was in grave danger it was stated to be with how limited the scope of the Final Days was.

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If I'm allowed a moment to armchair speculate: I actually think that might be because you're more motivated by the character stories of the game rather than the grander and more societal ones. I love Endwalker's ending, but a lot of Ultima Thule was more about grappling with ideas than people, which doesn't always land for people. But for those who are more motivated by more direct character journeys and interactions, Zenos is the finale rather than the coda; one final culmination of a character journey before the credits roll. (Being essentially a representative of previous expansions as The Last Son Of Galvus probably helps with that too.)

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Originally Posted by Kozh

It's not play victim, but calling people out on hypocrisy. During an argument about EW, someone said to my face that me not able to moved on after traumatic experience is wrong because "you have to forge ahead".
So yeah, how isn't that not "telling people how to deal with loss"?

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That is shitty of them but it also has nothing to do with aveyond straight up denying people who enjoyed the story experienced grief in their life. It probably wasn't even the same person.

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Originally Posted by CheshCa7

That is shitty of them but it also has nothing to do with aveyond straight up denying people who enjoyed the story experienced grief in their life. It probably wasn't even the same person.

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And what I said also has nothing to do with Aveyond. As I said before, I only aim to call out the hypocrisy of some people from lore forum. I'll still said it whether I agree with Aveyond or not.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I’ve told people in real life about how EW tried to pull off its messaging. They were not appreciative of it. I do not believe that the people who defend its messaging have experienced loss in their lives or if they have they definitely didn’t process it like a normal human being.

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If I were to ask one of the Clinical Psychologists I work with to define "normal human being" I'm very confident they'd laugh at the absurdity of it. Frankly, as I said in my previous post, you're judging everyone by your standards, and that isn't a healthy mindset.

Whether you like it or not, the basic premise - wallowing in despair being self-defeating - is a message that does resonate with some and it isn't for you to tell anyone that they're wrong/that it isn't 'normal' to feel that way.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

If I'm allowed a moment to armchair speculate: I actually think that might be because you're more motivated by the character stories of the game rather than the grander and more societal ones. I love Endwalker's ending, but a lot of Ultima Thule was more about grappling with ideas than people, which doesn't always land for people. But for those who are more motivated by more direct character journeys and interactions, Zenos is the finale rather than the coda; one final culmination of a character journey before the credits roll. (Being essentially a representative of previous expansions as The Last Son Of Galvus probably helps with that too.)

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A small touch that might've made the ending more satisfying to me would've been showing the places affected by the Final Days returning to normal as well as the reactions of the people living in those regions, as opposed to giving all the attention to our friends who were still safe over in Sharlayan.

Overall, I think I mostly feel like Endwalker needed to do more showing to go with all the telling...which honestly sounds kind of silly when considering it already had more cutscenes/dialogue then any of the prior expansions. Though perhaps not so much when it was admittedly trying to condense two expansions worth of plot into one.