DPS who do 4k worth of damage = garbage tier

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

I think people would be a lot meaner if they knew. It becomes personal. If people avoid you for no reason, its saddening, but if they tell you they are because you have an annoying laugh, that will always be in the back of your mind.

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Meh, I don't know about the laugh part, but dps, healing and tanking are things you can work on to better yourself.


Bourne_Endeavor said something to the other guy that I found quite right :

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

We all started at the bottom once upon a time. Some people are more diplomatic than others with their opinions, but that doesn't change the fact you can always improve if you do desire.

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Yeah, even the guy who get 100% perf in each fight started somewhere, by the first quest, without having a clue about what "theorycraft" could mean. "Skills" is not something that you are born with. Unlike the strange laugh, I guess (not sure about that, but that's a different topic).

Hell, when I started back in WoW, I was so bad it was almost laughable. I had absolutely no clue about whatever I was doing, and I was getting yelled at a lot. It took me years to reach a somewhat decent level, seriously ^^'.


What I mean is, sometimes people need to be pushed a little so that they learn that they are bad, and then proceed to better themselves. It is most certainly not a pleasant experience, but it will help them standing by themselves, and enhance their gaming experience in the end.
Letting them go in blissful ignorance is not what I would consider "kindness".


Now then, it's not sunshine and rainbows either. Of course there will be assholes that, instead of pushing other to better themselves, will utterly destroy the newbie and even make them stop the game in worst case. But those guys will be there even without an official parser anyway. It's up to the players to make a good community.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

*bows head in apology*

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Look, I know that, for whatever reasons, you feel sorry about that.

B-but that doesn't mean you have to roll a lalafell for that. There's a limit to self punishment! :'(

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Say what you will about me, but at the very least, I am acknowledging that I am totally in the wrong and hopefully, the situation in my original post has been rectified. Hopefully. If not…well, there’s not much else I can do.

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People make mistakes and when you are in frustration mode you will say things you normally wont say.Everybody has that problem more then ones in there life.

If you read the last few pages people already moved on and discussing about it with pro's and con's. You started in a bad noot, but triggered a usefull discussion.

Nobody will hunt you down for years because this. Most people wil forget it fast anyway. You worry wayyyy too much.
( Your Au ra was much cuter ;) )

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Sorry for starting this thread.

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Please do not take this the wrong way, while I enjoy a good self deprecating post as much as the next person you take it to a whole new level. Not sure why for whatever reason you feel the need to apologize for something that from what I can tell no one attacked you directly, maybe others disagree with you, but overall your apology is utterly pointless since you have nothing you need to apologize for.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Please do not take this the wrong way, while I enjoy a good self deprecating post as much as the next person you take it to a whole new level. Not sure why for whatever reason you feel the need to apologize for something that from what I can tell no one attacked you directly, maybe others disagree with you, but overall your apology is utterly pointless since you have nothing you need to apologize for.

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He/She feels understandably guilty about starting a thread where the ugliest of behaviors rise up and people start clawing and biting at each other like rabid dogs. It's not too uncommon to feel regret when you accidentally start heated arguments between two or more other people, even if you yourself don't get sucked into said argument.

No, it's not the OP's fault that certain people decided to take their aggression/frustration out in an all out tit-for-tat in this thread, but yet the OP feels guilty all the same that it happened. I can understand that.

And really that one dude a few pages back was getting absolutely ridiculous. I won't name names, but sheesh.

I went back tonight and did some more Tsukuyomi SSS dummy and had the following numbers. I gave each job a few attempts. I cleared the challenge on several jobs.

Bard 361 4400-4550 I am just beating the dummy so I "qualify" lol.
RDM 352 4900-5200
DRG 361 4900

I still do not know why the bard numbers are where they are. I can honestly say I have pulled off the opener consistently well and clip nothing, get in my ogcds, and maintain my dots and song transitions. I meld into crit-dh with grade 6 materia.

Point is, not all of us are lazy or doing an ice mage rotation, we are trying real hard! :p

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Originally Posted by Minako_Nightsong

I went back tonight and did some more Tsukuyomi SSS dummy and had the following numbers. I gave each job a few attempts. I cleared the challenge on several jobs.

Bard 361 4400-4550 I am just beating the dummy so I "qualify" lol.
RDM 352 4900-5200
DRG 361 4900

I still do not know why the bard numbers are where they are. I can honestly say I have pulled off the opener consistently well and clip nothing, get in my ogcds, and maintain my dots and song transitions. I meld into crit-dh with grade 6 materia.

Point is, not all of us are lazy or doing an ice mage rotation, we are trying real hard! :p

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If you are trying hard and still trying to improve then people don't have any problems. The problem people have is those who choose to not learn and not improve. Honestly Bard is a pretty hard class when it comes to maximising DPS. I don't know if you know it already but I would recommend you go the Balance Discord, just search for it on Google. They have a bard channel there which you can register for and chances there they have guides on rotations and everything that you may need to know when it comes to increasing your dps as a Bard and you can ask any questions you may have.

Different bosses have different requirements when it comes to DPS. Even though you won't be doing Savage I still recommend trying out the dummy for it and see how you do against it. Also in Stone, Sky, Sea the dummy is basically altered to match your class. So the dummy you fight is tailored to Bard while a different dummy could have more HP tailored to Black Mage or Samurai.

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Originally Posted by Minako_Nightsong

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I imagine without a Drg, it can be quite hard to beat the dummies for relevant content on Bard/Mch unless you're close to/have bis since you lose so much damage from not having one. I find if I practice on Drg and don't have anyone to tether to, I also lose a fair chunk of damage and the same for Mnk, no party members so no potential procs from Brotherhood.

Remus is also right too, different dummies are catered to do the different jobs so don't think on it too hard, you're doing a fine job.

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Originally Posted by Asiragan

The "funny" thing is that sometimes people are calling other "bad at dps" while they don't use a parser and don't see that they're actually the one dragging down the group...

And I really don't think that this is healthy for the community at all.

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Case in point, HyoMin and I had a Samurai laugh at us, claiming we "sucked" and to get out of his Tsuki party. DPS was approximately....

Hyo: 5,000
Me: 3,900 (was left dead on the floor for almost a minute)
WAR: 3,600
SAM: 3,100
DRG: 2.600

See the problem there? Oh, the DRG didn't die either. And this is what annoys me with "parsers are just toxic players" argument. Clearly, the SAM wasn't parsing yet felt he was carrying the party. Worst part about it? They were both wearing i350-370 gear.

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Originally Posted by Minako_Nightsong

I still do not know why the bard numbers are where they are. I can honestly say I have pulled off the opener consistently well and clip nothing, get in my ogcds, and maintain my dots and song transitions. I meld into crit-dh with grade 6 materia.

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You lacked a DRG, which is basically 300 flat DPS. Bard is also a heavily prog based job, thus it can be very difficult to consistently kill those dummies. If you don't get enough Refulgent Arrows or Pitch Perfect IIIs, you aren't going to do the damage you should. Regardless, trying really hard is all most people ask. Unfortunately, plenty think even asking that of them is being an "elitist."

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

MageBlack was kind enough to elaborate why he felt the way he did, and I appreciated his response. You, on the other hand, replied with another vague post that elaborated nothing:

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Thanks! I like to think I can be reasonable, when provoked.

While i have not really encountered many, by the sounds of it there is many Sam's that think they are oh so high up when in fact are lower dps plus bring Zero utility. Perhaps they themselves should reflect on that fact, lol
I have also seen some Sam's do 6K, but i guess it is always the ones that do the lower dmg that comment about others...
3,100 for Tsuki is rather low, i did more then that on my Red Mage so that Sam was bad by the sounds of it @ Bourne_Endeavor