A12 savage World first 3 days after patch

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Originally Posted by Bloopan

I remember Yoshi-P mentioning that one of the reasons why they're starting to move in this direction is to encourage more players to jump in the raiding scene

They dont wanna repeat what happened to Coil back in 2.0 where it mostly catered the 1% which makes sense from a business stand point since if they're gonna cater the 1% thats only roughly 60k (going by 6M players at the moment).
Take into consideration that theres a portion of those 60 000 that unsubs after their done grinding through content which I assume is pretty quick (judging if you spend 16-20 hrs of your day playing the game.)

From a devs point of view, its a balancing act for them to cater the needs of many and cater the needs of the 1%. Cant make it too hard that people shy away from it but not "2ez" that it only takes a day for the hardcore peeps to clear.

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Coil was good because they did not calculate with server first groups damage output.
When alex came they said in interviews that they recalculated with knowing how much DPS the server first groups can deal...
Defending that recalculation with: "but we are not counting healer or tank DPS, so it must be good".
They did not expect so many humans playing this game and not performing 100% like a machine...
How they calculate with lag? We know since 1.x because when they test on LAN connection they have response times you never will have on world wide connections...

Edit: To remove markers for savage is smart true, but just cheap programming! Thats not "development", thats just first aid and doesnt help every time!

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Originally Posted by IllyriaKnotfred

Well until a third difficulty is out- you won't be getting it anymore.

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Actually Yoshi-P said they plan to raise Savage's difficulty again in the expansion when they ease the rotation of battle classes. So....

People should actually understand why Creator is considered on quote "easier" than the previous turn. The issue that is present is when they experiment again with this and if people complain the Savage 4.0 is too hard, they will just lower it again. They are never going to get it right. People should be encouraging SE to make three modes of difficulty instead of constantly messing with the state of Savage. This way they can be hard/creative with Savage.

Or -AT LEAST- add achievements to Savage that would make the fight much harder to pull off.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

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And I agree with you 100%. A third difficulty is exactly what the game needs (aside from more interesting gear)

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Actually Yoshi-P said they plan to raise Savage's difficulty again in the expansion when they ease the rotation of battle classes. So....

People should actually understand why Creator is considered on quote "easier" than the previous turn. The issue that is present is when they experiment again with this and if people complain the Savage 4.0 is too hard, they will just lower it again. They are never going to get it right. People should be encouraging SE to make three modes of difficulty instead of constantly messing with the state of Savage. This way they can be hard/creative with Savage.

Or -AT LEAST- add achievements to Savage that would make the fight much harder to pull off.

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Yosh P has stated that he wants to create three tiers but lacks the manpower to do it. It might become an eventuality one day and SE is advertising for new dev positions for FF14 right now but the number of experienced developers with the right skill set and who speak Japanese and want to live in Japan, is limited and so it takes time to acquire new staff.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Yosh P has stated that he wants to create three tiers but lacks the manpower to do it. It might become an eventuality one day and SE is advertising for new dev positions for FF14 right now but the number of experienced developers with the right skill set and who speak Japanese and want to live in Japan, is limited and so it takes time to acquire new staff.

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Would be awesome if they could forego all that and just start an NA branch of devs that could add more western influenced gaming aspects and could also respond better to community requests.

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Originally Posted by Pasquale

Well Gordias was Savage / Midas was Savage , they respect the title savage difficult same a scob savage . Creator is called savage but it isn't

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I 99% agree with this. My only difference is that there was ever only one true "savage" in this game and that was SCoB Savage. Gordias was not hard because of mechanics bar the tail end of 3 and 4. Gordias was hard because of gear gating, aka Artificial difficulty. Midas was better all around but Creator is a lot more exciting.

That last part is what the biggest sin of this raid series has been up until Creator. Not that it was too hard, but it was flippin BORING. I'm especially offended by this because I LOVE machines. Robots, Mecha, steampunk, Transformers. This raid is thematically right up my alley. But damn if these haven't been the most boring fights in the game. A11 and A12 singlehandedly salvaged Alexander, and in an important way.

Challenge for the sake of challenge appeals to the extremely few. The 1% of the 1%. If there has to be a tradeoff and the lowering of difficulty results in the team being able to make raiding fun, then this is a net gain. It is FAR better to the scene as a whole if the devs are able to focus on making the content actually ENJOYABLE for the majority. It means that more and more people will be enticed to raid and the damage from Gordias can finally heal.

That said, I have one more thing to say to you. An echo that your thirst for challenge may never be sated in this game for a while. The sad truth of the matter is:

The majority of players are bad at the game...but they are the ones paying the bill.

Let's get one thing straight here right now: Weeping City of Mhach is not "casual" difficulty. There's a reason it's called "Wiping City". Even with new gear pugs are still getting bodied day and night. My man, I kid you not, I had a DF group that hit enrage on A12s three times before disbanding. Enrage. THREE TIIMES ON NORMAL.

What this ultimately means is that things that are to be accessible to the majority (ie "savage" raids) CAN'T be difficult. The people footing the bill will get mad and unsub. Look at what 3.1 did to the game my man. A repeat of that will kill the game.

I feel what you want my man, I really really do. But right now, you can't have it. You had it once and they're STILL doing damage control from it.

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Originally Posted by Sparktacus

Would be awesome if they could forego all that and just start an NA branch of devs that could add more western influenced gaming aspects and could also respond better to community requests.

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This would only work under very specific conditions (otherwise you see things like NC Soft's mess where Korea is ahead of the rest of the world in terms of content along with several other issues). Not to mention this would mean NA data centers and JP data center would need to be further split, which would rub some people the wrong way.

An additional medium for passing feedback along to the devs would be wonderful, though.

There is already Alexander Normal for people to experience story, there is no need for savage to have high clear rates, normal already has them.
Even if savage had 1% clear rates it wouldn't matter considering everyone has the gear and saw the story, I thought that was the reason why we added story mode. As someone who subscribes only for raids (A4s, A8s kept me subscribed till the end of the patch) I am seriously disappointed.

I shouldn't comment untill I clear? LOL. I don't have to clear to see that this tier is much easier. Just compare A1-A3 x A5-A7 x A9-A11s. This tier is joke. Softcore statics cleared A9 and A10 savage in 1st week while before it took 2 weeks. There is no more to say. ))

Clear in 3 weeks then unsubscribe till next patch? No thanks Yoshida, if your game can't keep me entertained whole time I am not coming back (and this is coming from a player who has been active subscriber for 3 years).

There was 1 content for hardcore players, only 1 while casuals have the whole game and what happened? Instead of adding midcore content they made the hardcore content midcore. GG.

Completly agree with this guy , when i said people should try it before judge i was refering to the people who didn't even step in a10s , most when thet say DIFFICULT is ok.. Lol how do u know that. People who are far in the progress can express their opinion cuz they did it o.o

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

There was 1 content for hardcore players, only 1 while casuals have the whole game and what happened? Instead of adding midcore content they made the hardcore content midcore. GG.

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There is no such thing as exclusive content for hardcores and casuals or midcores...
Progress my friend, progress!
After alex normal there is nothing than savage to progress.

Futhermore, you sound like everyone after your static is softcore static, so once you cleared and then others cleared it means all can clear it?!
Get real and stop dreaming please!