Now that FF16 will feature LGBT+ characters, can we get some rep in FF14 too?

Quoting you isn't twisting your words, lmao

I meant it explains where you're coming from, and why it's really not worth arguing with you about any of this.

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Originally Posted by SquirrelDerp

"Everyone I don't like is this one dude"





Yes, adding extra words to a sentence changes the meaning. You know people can still see the other post?

It's kinda wild to get called out and just go "WELL THIS DIFFERENT SENTENCE MEANS SOMETHING ELSE! STOP TWISTING MY WORDS" lmao

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Yes and you understood it the way you wanted to understand it, my meaning was very obvious in what I meant, but you do you and keep on trolling buddy, also people can see my other post yes, it's also very obvious what the meaning is, I am not going to list all 107 genders in a single post.

I understood it the way it was written.

It's not my fault if you failed to say what you meant.

Also, disagreeing with you isn't trolling. Much in the same way as disagreeing with you isn't "Missing the point".

Just when I thought they couldn't add any more letters... now it's "2S..."


Wasn't the + sign at the end supposed to cover the "extras?"

Going for the entire alphabet are we?

For the record, I don't care who loves, whom, I'm glad gay people can marry and adopt, but c'mon... enough with adding all these extra numbers/letters already, enough is enough.

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Originally Posted by Rokal

Just when I thought they couldn't add any more letters... now it's "2S..."


Wasn't the + sign at the end supposed to cover the "extras?"

Going for the entire alphabet are we?

For the record, I don't care who loves, whom, I'm glad gay people can marry and adopt, but c'mon... enough with adding all these extra numbers/letters already, enough is enough.

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To be fair hearing the person is a flamebaiter kinda explains this. I've been in the lgbt community for a long time, and the most I've heard is LGBTQA+, and one thing anti-lgbt people tend to do is add a ton of random letters to make it hard to read. Sidenote, if you ever see them add a "P", it's a 100% absolute sign that they're an anti-lgbt troll.

"2S" in this case means Two Spirit(I'm assuming), but most two spirit people I know(Grew up in Oklahoma, Two Spirit is a native american thing) just consider themselves trans, so they're covered in the T.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I am more talking that it's sort of forced, at least the original idea is, if you really think about it, there is no need for any of what I quoted in my previous post to happen, now if you want to make new characters (and please god i hope that happens, msq is so boring at this point with the same characters all the time) and for the new characters to be gay,bi or trans or whatever else, there's too many genders at this point but you get the idea, I'm all for it, as long as it's done in a smooth way without forcing it

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True, there may be no real need for that information to come out (ha) but that can be said about many things we know about these characters. If we have a quest where we must find out what the Scions favourite donut filling is, does the game suddenly become about feasting and denying savour treats? Is that what a MMORPG should be? Frankly when it comes to RPGs, I want to know more stuff like that. I am the type of person who will go through ever dialogue tree option. If the stern military leader has a secret love of romantic fiction, I want to know! Characters risk becoming flat and forgettable if all we know about them has to be tied directly into the story beats. Thats not to say we have to find out characters preferences that way, or that the writing fails if its left a mystery, just that I do not see how finding out that way as some sort of knock on the head with a big pink mallet, perhaps so long as the conversation is not straight (ha) away 'Hello person I have never seen before, I am a lady who likes other ladies and will only talk about this for the next eight hours.' Frankly thats anoying enough when some RPG characters trope is just 'flirtatious ladies man'

Plus, no video game is prefect with all of its themes and how it handles character interactions and involvement. Just because past cases have felt forced in some peoples eyes, that does not mean we should cast the idea as taboo or pre-judge how a game may do it. Like I have been really enjoying FFXVI and love how Dion is used, but I could also write an essay on how the writing fails on other levels, in regards to some supporting characters and how some of their themes are explored etc. Creating a new character who is not heteronormative may well indeed be the best way forward in regards to less ‘controversy’, and honestly after the way Dion has been received I think this will happen in 7.0 or beyond, but even then there will be those calling such an act forced or moving the goalposts. You see it even when original LGBTQ characters are revealed, and especially in the rare occasions where trans characters are involved, given how they are most bigots #1 target at the moment.

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Originally Posted by SquirrelDerp

To be fair hearing the person is a flamebaiter kinda explains this. I've been in the lgbt community for a long time, and the most I've heard is LGBTQA+, and one thing anti-lgbt people tend to do is add a ton of random letters to make it hard to read. Sidenote, if you ever see them add a "P", it's a 100% absolute sign that they're an anti-lgbt troll.

"2S" in this case means Two Spirit(I'm assuming), but most two spirit people I know(Grew up in Oklahoma, Two Spirit is a native american thing) just consider themselves trans, so they're covered in the T.

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Honestly I feel I lost the 'Updated name' memo, because the only people I ever hear use that expanded definition are people complaining about it. Kinda feels more like its just been parroted as an attack against the community, rather then an honest attempt to expand it. Akin to the assumptions people make about trans folk.

Obvious troll makes an lgbt+ thread.

People vent they don't agree with lgbt+ stuff, despite likely knowing the op is trolling.

Actual lgbt+ people react to the vent.


Pot successfully stirred. What's new.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

I think there are multiple ways to have a trans character without making it crude.
A character with a female body but uses male prounons? (One Piece did this, not without controversy though)
Or a Sundered Ascian who prefers to use male bodies despite their initial body being female.
Or a character who regularly changes gender through Fantasia.
Or showing that a character used to pass as another gender as a side-note through an echo flashback.

Of course Square Enix is not forced to do it, but if they wanted to it could be done tastefully.

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Clowns still think Yamato is trans? Still inhaling copium years later. She is listed in the vivre card one piece visual dictionary as a female and was pictured along with the other female allies on a colored picture. People always trying to force their ideals on everything when it was explained why she does. Take your L :). Its like how the newest book says Gaia and Ryne became fast friends and weirdos still deny it. Doesn’t mention romance at all. Another L. Lol

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

Clowns still think Yamato is trans? Still inhaling copium years later. She is listed in the vivre card one piece visual dictionary as a female and was pictured along with he other female allies on a colored picture. People always trying to force their ideals on everything when it was explained why she does. Take your L :)

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Maybe? I literally couldn't care less about Yamato or One Piece. That was just the first example who came into my mind when I wrote it.

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

Clowns still think Yamato is trans? Still inhaling copium years later. She is listed in the vivre card one piece visual dictionary as a female and was pictured along with the other female allies on a colored picture. People always trying to force their ideals on everything when it was explained why she does. Take your L :)

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dont forget spider gwen

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

Maybe? I literally couldn't care less about Yamato or One Piece. That was just the first example who came into my mind when I wrote it.

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the thing is tho there characters like that in one piece, they just wasnt popular