The idea that we need to DPS must go.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Oh, this thread again.



No, sorry. I don’t condone griefing. That’s what you’re doing when you choose not to DPS as a healer.

Why is it that healers get the pass for being practically AFK during content simply because they’re healers? You’d expect DPS and tanks to not be AFK 80% of the time, would you not? You’d expect them to perform their role, right? A part of the healer role now is to deal damage. There’s not enough healing to go around to justify not DPSing, and healers do too much damage to just stand around and it be excusable.

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Griefing by healing and healing alone. That's a good one. Enjoy your gaming vacation when you vote kick someone for that reason.

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

True, in normal mode is even less than 1/10th of the duration

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Make a YouTube video of you running a current content dungeon and showing overall healing being done for less then 10% of al encounter time and I'll change my views. Should be easy from what you say.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

What a silly argument. How do you expect a tank to hold agro without doing damage? Does a healer need to do damage to heal? Obviously not. Logic indeed.

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Simple, have all their weaponskills only generate enmity while doing 0 damage.
They don't need damage to generate enmity, just like how you think healers don't need to do damage to help kill enemies quicker, the ultimate form of damage mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Griefing by healing and healing alone. That's a good one. Enjoy your gaming vacation when you vote kick someone for that reason.

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You are basically AFK at that point. Most of your casts in content is always damage, not healing ones. There simply isn’t enough outgoing damage to warrant it. You’d want to kick a DPS that was just auto-attacking would you not? Or a tank that only single-targets or auto-attacks and loses aggro, right? How about one that does their AOE three times and then AFKs for the rest of the pull? It’s the same thing here. Healer DPS is a mitigative tool. It kills packs faster. It makes the content go by quicker, and it’s a team contribution. Last I checked, that’s typically valued in group play. AFK play is not.

Difference of playstyle is a valid reason for kicking someone still, anyways. Hard to punish if the majority of a party don’t want to play with a practically AFK healer. Nice try, though. :)

That said, I usually go healer to avoid having to deal with the Netflix ones, so. My experience with “heal only healers” is that they can’t even heal properly. I end up picking up their slack in both healing and damage.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Make a YouTube video of you running a current content dungeon and showing overall healing being done for less then 10% of al encounter time and I'll change my views. Should be easy from what you say.

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I mean, you can do the current Expert dungeons without a healer at all. It’s been done. Nice try, though.

Why don’t you make a video proving that there is high healing uptime in dungeons? Sounds fair enough, since you want to argue this point.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

What a silly argument. How do you expect a tank to hold agro without doing damage? Does a healer need to do damage to heal? Obviously not. Logic indeed.

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You're obviously a troll, but just because I'm equally bored - that would've held water before ShB, but now that tank stance works as a perma aggro button literally everything they learn after lv 10 [excluding mitigation actions, obviously] is redundant for tanking, yet there they are, summoning giant swords from the sky or spinning like beyblades on fire.

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Originally Posted by WaxSw

https://i.gyazo.com/17a95aac8c67cc03...9f5bf977c8.png

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Unrelated to the thread but I'm curious, where does Kardia/Kardion sit on in the chart? is it baked into Dosis, or was it not used at all? or do passive healing just not appear in those kind of charts?

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Make a YouTube video of you running a current content dungeon and showing overall healing being done for less then 10% of al encounter time and I'll change my views. Should be easy from what you say.

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Echirontios normal mode, if you count the cpm of my healing actons is 8,25% (Kerachole,Physis2,Pneuma,Ixochole, Panhaima and Holos)

https://i.gyazo.com/17a95aac8c67cc03...9f5bf977c8.png

"BuT YoU WeRE CHAddiNG YoUR CoHEaler" you could say so...
https://i.gyazo.com/49b167495431d0a4...069dec9cfc.png
(and look at the overhealing...)
Can I then ask you to please learn how healing gameplay really is before coming here to say nonsensical stuff and defending lethargic gameplay?

Edit: I'm with HyoMinPark, I've shown you how nm can require less than 1/10th of healing, now show us those dungeons with such high healing requirements that you gotta spam heal continuously

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Why don’t you make a video proving that there is high healing uptime in dungeons? Sounds fair enough, since you want to argue this point.

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I mean, they say in their forum profile they're a tank and DPS main who finds healing challenging and only have WHM at 90 and SGE at 70 (probably either just unlocked or is just sitting on it because it was "too challenging" for them).
If their only healing experience is the sub-par WHM plus their 7 years of WoW, it makes sense that they think all healers are/should be heal-princesses. :B

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

The difference is that tanks not mitigating and dps performing poorly is a sign of them failing at their CORE role, while healers are expected to perform their CORE role as well as another role (dps). Don't blame healers for other's failures and don't compare the two situations because they are not the same.

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Haha, how surprising. When other roles perform poorly we suddenly stop coddling them. No one expected this shocking turn of events! :)

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Make a YouTube video of you running a current content dungeon and showing overall healing being done for less then 10% of al encounter time and I'll change my views. Should be easy from what you say.

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I have plenty of footage to where bosses do not do enough damage for the stupid amounts of healing tools I have. I've just been waiting for a video editing software to put it all together.

I highly doubt me posting it is going to do much. I doubt it is worth an upload, because I'll have many, many people say I'm a hardcore healer when in reality I haven't even TOUCHED EX this tier. Hells I don't even think I have the EX and savage raids unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

You're obviously a troll, but just because I'm equally bored - that would've held water before ShB, but now that tank stance works as a perma aggro button literally everything they learn after lv 10 [excluding mitigation actions, obviously] is redundant for tanking, yet there they are, summoning giant swords from the sky or spinning like beyblades on fire.



Unrelated to the thread but I'm curious, where does Kardia/Kardion sit on in the chart? is it baked into Dosis, or was it not used at all? or do passive healing just not appear in those kind of charts?

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Its barked into dosis I think, since its not a button I press towards the casts per minute it doesn't count. Embrace is the same, since its not a button Sch press does not count towards the casts per minute