What XIV can take from XI to make it better

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Originally Posted by Shougun

No shit? I don't remember that but red Mage was one of my later jobs.

Still.. Was this before it came to NA?

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Yeah, it was around the time they were still sorting everything out shortly after JP Beta, since it was supposed to have small proficiency in everything being the 'Jack of all Trades" excluding obvious choices like Axes etc.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Fits with the original RDM in XI, had access to x-bows and some guns lol.

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Rapiers and pistols would be fitting for musketeers/red mages.

It's too bad the armory system won't allow for a choice of weapons.

Edit: unless RDM was allowed to dual wield them instead of using a shield. (This would kill any hopes of RDM's tanking out-right)

The thread just lost a couple pages... lol

Here is the biggest thing IMO I think xi did way better than xiv is doing: creating a sense of national pride. The cities in xiv are gorgeous, more so than even the ones I came to love in xi, but they are utterly devoid of character. If you need proof then look no further than how quickly after launch everyone just began using uldah as a hub. Certainly I understand the multiple factors that play into why this happened, but I couldn't help but feel like this could have easily been avoided by creating a system that had players investing in their home country. Conquest was awesome but I am not looking for a cut and paste system of it in xiv. What they could do is have teams from each city that players can sign up for to be on that pvp against players from the other cities. Maybe incorporate gc seal standings in for each city each week for those that don't like pvp and offer npc items that are only available to the winning city each week. There really is no shortage of ways to do things like this, and somehow the original dev team chose none of them. I love Limsa, and only wish SE would show effort that reflects how much love they have for the things they created.

Aaaaannndd end rant -

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Originally Posted by ShivenCasull

Rapiers and pistols would be fitting for musketeers/red mages.

It's too bad the armory system won't allow for a choice of weapons.

Edit: unless RDM was allowed to dual wield them instead of using a shield. (This would kill any hopes of RDM's tanking out-right)

The thread just lost a couple pages... lol

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Noticed that.. :D


Anyhow, I'd like to see some longer quests like the explorer's etching quest in FFXI -- something that requires you to travel to all corners of the map, but can't be done in a day. ('Livin' on a Prayer' was along the lines of what I'm thinking of, but make it take much longer to finish)

Make the reward something benign yet relevant, like a globe or framed map for your house.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

creating a sense of national pride.

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I think they intended GC to do that. But without a central hub city like Jeuno, everyone just picked the most convenient one of the three starting city-states and hung out there.

Content Finder + linked AH (this confirmed?) + Player Housing, is the main plan to battle this in ARR.

If they really want people to hang out in their home town, they can do it best by adding the following:

• More lively cities - NPCs bustling about.
• More guild-centric content - creating 'request boards' where players can post orders and rewards for crafting and gathering.
• Restrict teleportation only to aetheryte you've physically visited before.
• Competition for control of regions (ala FFXI)
• Bonuses which are only active in regions you control (ala FFXI)

That's off the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

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Having a leader board type competition is great for prolonging the life of a game.

SE already does a good job with the GC Heroes idea. Possibly make it so these rankings give a bonus for the respective GC members?

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Originally Posted by ShivenCasull

Having a leader board type competition is great for prolonging the life of a game.

SE already does a good job with the GC Heroes idea. Possibly make it so these rankings give a bonus for the respective GC members?

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And put that somewhere in the game, not on a seperate board. Not to mention maybe give those people or their FC access to goods through npc's they couldnt normally get.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

It's a bit of a conundrum because alot of how you diversified your character from others was often your gear choices. It's hard to differentiate yourself from others in XIV because there is 0 real diversity to work with.

You can't work on your Solo Evasion set, instead of beefing up your SATA gear. While I think gear is the wrong way to go in terms of larger diversity, the game really does need some depth to it. It's extremly shallow as it stands (Let's hope 2.0 fixes this a bit) But I can't imagine it will at launch.

We need something like Merits (Well thought out, so that it's not just a cookie cutter merit setup) Let people be creative with how they want their character to stand out from others preformance wise, encourage people to focus on only a few classes instead of encouraging people to slog through all the classes just for the cross class skills making them play something they don't like. If I want to be the best Blackmage I can be...why should I have to level a healer? FFXI actually had the same problem with the sub-job system but at least it capped out at half the max level making the trip rather short to a sub-job.

Hopefully when we play 2.0 my Dragoon might play a bit differently than the next Dragoon standing beside me.

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Wrong ....whoever did this was called out gimp... goal in FFXI was to always have the best piece for each situation slot by slot so everyone geared up towards to same

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Originally Posted by Warlock

Wrong ....whoever did this was called out gimp... goal in FFXI was to always have the best piece for each situation slot by slot so everyone geared up towards to same

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it still diversified people, it did it gear wise. no offense but people that want to rush threw can do it with others that want to rush threw it half naked. when people spend the 10-30k it took to gear up a little b4 say going to the dunes for first time and people say to others why the f' are you naked still then well it helps diversify lol. it's already more diverse then other mmo's where you usually end up leaving each tier zones in the best gear without trying.

you can't make people that take the time to play and gear up play with you, it won't happen. if anything they still will roll with people who play 10hrs a day rather then people who log in a few hours a week. why would someone pimp out in triple melds, get best gears in game, do 100's of hours of time and then party with half naked players in a party all day? i don't think they are elitist though some might be but i can see how they feel about it. people bitch at brd in ffxi back in day cause they only pt with best merit groups, but if you take the time to level a brd just for merit farming, and you have the best gears on any class for it. you dont' want to spend 2 or 4times the amount of time it would take for a group filled with like dressed players. and there isn't anything wrong with that. you save time on gearing, you waist some on slower leveling.

in the end though if they make everyone have the same sets of gear like mmo's like gw2 where you just spam a dungeon over and over for tokens and buy your crappy gear and then have nothing to do, the mmo's will die out and become a FTP. always having new gear to hunt is a good thing, situational are awesome, you can keep farming to diverse yourself from those who don't have them :)

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Originally Posted by strallaalaa

it still diversified people, it did it gear wise. no offense but people that want to rush threw can do it with others that want to rush threw it half naked. when people spend the 10-30k it took to gear up a little b4 say going to the dunes for first time and people say to others why the f' are you naked still then well it helps diversify lol. it's already more diverse then other mmo's where you usually end up leaving each tier zones in the best gear without trying.

you can't make people that take the time to play and gear up play with you, it won't happen. if anything they still will roll with people who play 10hrs a day rather then people who log in a few hours a week. why would someone pimp out in triple melds, get best gears in game, do 100's of hours of time and then party with half naked players in a party all day? i don't think they are elitist though some might be but i can see how they feel about it. people bitch at brd in ffxi back in day cause they only pt with best merit groups, but if you take the time to level a brd just for merit farming, and you have the best gears on any class for it. you dont' want to spend 2 or 4times the amount of time it would take for a group filled with like dressed players. and there isn't anything wrong with that. you save time on gearing, you waist some on slower leveling.

in the end though if they make everyone have the same sets of gear like mmo's like gw2 where you just spam a dungeon over and over for tokens and buy your crappy gear and then have nothing to do, the mmo's will die out to FTP. always having new gear to hunt is a good thing, situational are awesome, you can keep farming to diverse yourself from those who don't have them :)

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how do FTP mmos fund themselves though? its a scare even with a game like GW2... what if they sold fewer then 100k copies... they would of been broke >.> and not released the game at all lol... FTP mmos are a huger risk then subscription MMOs even for investors... subscriptions are a solid thing that you know that your going to get paid when your waiting on box sells you don't know how your going to do >.>

sorry wasn't what i meant i rephrased that sentence ..mean ffxiv and any sub mmo will turn ftp cause of failure.