Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it...

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

BLU can't be used in any roulettes.

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What's the difference between going to a roulette and getting Halatali, and going into Halatali as a BLU in a premade party?

It's the same content, so why is one taboo and the other one is alright?

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

What's the difference between going to a roulette and getting Halatali, and going into Halatali as a BLU in a premade party?

It's the same content, so why is one taboo and the other one is alright?

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1) roulettes are fast and pre-mades are annoying when the rewards are not worth the time. i'll do premades to climb to 100 in HoH, but i'm not doing pre-mades to get the HoH checkbox for WT.
2) leveling roulette gets me tomes for any of my jobs. doing it with BLU only benefits BLU.

i so very rarely do leveling roulettes as it is since all of my jobs are capped. i only do it to help people which is rare.

and Halatali is barely alright, i pray to get more interesting things like HW/SB leveling dungeons none of which BLU can do.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

What's the difference between going to a roulette and getting Halatali, and going into Halatali as a BLU in a premade party?

It's the same content, so why is one taboo and the other one is alright?

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One option gives a reward that is relevant to end game (tomes) or gets a job closer towards end game (xp). The other option of doing Halatali as a BLU gives xp to a dead end job that cannot be used in any relevant content. It can't be used in roulettes, normal or hard mode raids and trials, Centurio Seal hunts, Aquapolis/Uznair maps, new beast tribe quests, HoH, Eureka or the next part of Main Scenario. Those are things people can take their alts to whenever they want to accomplish something of value while they enjoy different kinds of gameplay. Alt jobs are useless if they can't be used to progress your character.

We can already go solo a bunch of open world mobs and unsync dungeons for no reward. No one does it because it's not fun or worth it, regardless of job.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

FFXIV is a MMORPG. Recycling content (without changing it) by making new ways of interacting with it is their bread and butter. Why the heck are you playing this game if you value the novelty of the content more than the experience it can provide? You are literally playing the worst game genre for what you showed as your taste.

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you're going to tell a legacy player who has never been unsubbed who has capped every job that this is the wrong genre for me? really?

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Edit:At least I didn't get you wrong. Your primary critera for ranking content definitly seems to be its age and not the experience it provides. Which doesn't make sense in a MMORPG as they do the exact opposite (ie: creating a low amount of new content (mostly through the same pipeline) while trying to keep the old one relevant).

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you read that quote and you think you didn't get me wrong? explain to me how i like leveling dungeons in HW if age is the only thing that matters?

stop making bogus assumptions. your assessment of FFXIV is also very wrong, they don't try very hard to keep old content relevant.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

One option gives a reward that is relevant to end game (tomes) or gets a job closer towards end game (xp). The other option of doing Halatali as a BLU gives xp to a dead end job that cannot be used in any relevant content. It can't be used in roulettes, normal or hard mode raids and trials, Centurio Seal hunts, Aquapolis/Uznair maps, new beast tribe quests, HoH, Eureka or the next part of Main Scenario. Those are things people can take their alts to whenever they want to accomplish something of value while they enjoy different kinds of gameplay. Alt jobs are useless if they can't be used to progress your character.
Except that's not what I'm asking. Why is old content bearable as a roulette, but doing it as a BLU suddenly becomes "old content? ew"? It's the same content in both cases. Why does one get a pass and the other one is taboo?
We can already go solo a bunch of open world mobs and unsync dungeons for no reward. No one does it because it's not fun or worth it, regardless of job.

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So the argument now is "It's not fun for me, therefore it surely isn't fun for others (because apparently doing it to level BLU and get skills for it isn't a valid purpose) therefore it should be changed/delete"?

you're harping on the wrong thing, BLU's problem isn't that it can be played in "old content", BLU's problem is that it CAN NOT be played in CURRENT content.

NIN, DRK, AST, MCH, SAM, RDM all could be played in Halatali during release. the problem with BLU is that you can't play it in Ivalice or the MSQ that's going to be released in the next patch.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

you're harping on the wrong thing, BLU's problem isn't that it can be played in "old content", BLU's problem is that it CAN NOT be played in CURRENT content.
If people are making the argument that old content is irrelevant, yet they'll gladly run it during a roulette, that's called a double standard. If old content is bearable or enjoyable through a roulette, it will also be running it as a BLU
NIN, DRK, AST, MCH, SAM, RDM all could be played in Halatali during release. the problem with BLU is that you can't play it in Ivalice or the MSQ that's going to be released in the next patch.

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You'll be able to run it when BLU gets the cap raised to 70, so that's a non-issue. And you can run old alliance raids through PF and preformed alliances.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

If people are making the argument that old content is irrelevant, yet they'll gladly run it during a roulette, that's called a double standard. If old content is bearable or enjoyable through a roulette, it will also be running it as a BLU

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bearable is not gladly or enjoyable. it's bearable to a lot of people because it serves other purposes which BLU will not have.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

You'll be able to run it when BLU gets the cap raised to 70, so that's a non-issue. And you can run old alliance raids through PF and preformed alliances.

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it's not a non-issue because by the time BLU gets the cap raised to 70, the "MSQ that's going to be released in the next patch" will need players to be Level 80 to do it.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

You'll be able to run it when BLU gets the cap raised to 70, so that's a non-issue. And you can run old alliance raids through PF and preformed alliances.

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By that point, the level cap of all other jobs will be 80 or higher. They've made it fairly clear that BLU will never reach current content. Spare us any temporal-paradox semantics you might be defecating for your defense here.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

By that point, the level cap of all other jobs will be 80 or higher. They've made it fairly clear that BLU will never reach current content. Spare us any temporal-paradox semantics you might be defecating for your defense here.

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By that point, you'll have 17 jobs to run current content with. But apparently people hear BLU and suddenly all other jobs are deleted...

Also, really? Defecating semantics? Compared to using "But I always wanted to main a job I was never sure was coming to the game" as if it's a reasonable argument? Talk about temporal paradoxes.