Are role actions a nerf?

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

same with protect and provoke.

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As far as Provoke is, that's open for debate. If you aren't in content where tank swaps are required, then you probably don't need Provoke except for those cases when you die because your healer was too zealous with dps and forgot to perform their role. It's certainly a safety net, but when there's no tank swaps needed, that's all it really is.

require
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verb (used with object), required, requiring.
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to have need of; need:

You do not have need of Esuna if there is no debuff. You do not have need of protect if someone else has it.

Most people won't be making hotbars or switching things out, it's tedious. I'm sure some find that aspect "fun" but I don't and I do believe many will agree. I like to keep the same set up and having a debate about not needing Esuna, protect or shroud is laughable.

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Originally Posted by Orbiaus

Most people won't be making hotbars or switching things out, it's tedious. I'm sure some find that aspect "fun" but I don't and I do believe many will agree. I like to keep the same set up and having a debate about not needing Esuna, protect or shroud is laughable.

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I think for the most part, you can stick with the same skills. The swapping is simply for min/max type situations really.

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Originally Posted by joannaluttrell

I have a choice of which abilities I use in a given fight rather than having all of them because 5/10 of them are completely useless.

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And again. If 5/10 of the choices are completely useless, it's not really a choice.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

All of those skills are optional and situational.

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Fire IV is optional and situational too, but I do not see them putting that on the role list

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Originally Posted by Aramina

require
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verb (used with object), required, requiring.
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to have need of; need:

You do not have need of Esuna if there is no debuff. You do not have need of protect if someone else has it.

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and yet that just opens up B*** fest over who needs to use esuna.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

As far as Provoke is, that's open for debate. If you aren't in content where tank swaps are required, then you probably don't need Provoke except for those cases when you die because your healer was too zealous with dps and forgot to perform their role. It's certainly a safety net, but when there's no tank swaps needed, that's all it really is.

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Yeah Ill remember that when I am tanking as SMN because provoke is not needed.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

and yet that just opens up B*** fest over who needs to use esuna.

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You *really* have a low opinion of fellow players, don't you? I am honestly sorry that you have had so many negative experiences that cause you to feel this way.

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Originally Posted by Pells

And again. If 5/10 of the choices are completely useless, it's not really a choice.

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If 5/10 were USELESS then you would have a point, but they aren't so..... Disregarding the Protect/Esuna arguement there are still multiple things to choose from.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

You *really* have a low opinion of fellow players, don't you?

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I am being realistic, my last expert i did was 34 mins because people did not know how to dps.

2 friends doing relic runs, 2/4 dungons had both DPS gearing incorrectly, ilevel doging the weapon slot and wearing wrong stats for the right side on the same day, back to back runs. You want proof why this is an issue? look at SB changes, trying to lower the skill gap and making the right match your main stat. Even SE "have a low opinion of fellow players"

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Fire IV is optional and situational too, but I do not see them putting that on the role list



and yet that just opens up B*** fest over who needs to use esuna.



Yeah Ill remember that when I am tanking as SMN because provoke is not needed.

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If you're tanking as SMN, either the tank is bad enough Provoke won't save you or the healer let the tank die and is therefore directly responsible for your squishy face being made even more squish. Either way you have my undivided sympathy