Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

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Originally Posted by Yencat

I got the new hairstyle from a lockbox today.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ed/94/06/e...ious-memes.jpg

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I'm happy and sorry for you at the same time T_T

Just a quick update:

Yoshi P addressed this issue in a new interview with a German website.

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Viera/Hrothgar hair/hats:

Q: You announced that Male Viera will be added in 6.0. A lot of players are still waiting for additional hairstyles or the option to wear hats on Viera or Hrothgar, are these being worked on and potentially introduced with the addition of Male Viera?
Short A: Not yet
Long A: First off, the reason why Viera and Hrothgar can't wear hats right now is the following. We have very standardized specifications when it comes to head gear and the unique design with the long ears on Viera doesn't always meet these specifications. If we allowed every head gear piece, it would lead to clipping or other errors. The unique design of Viera and Hrothgar just prevents us from allowing these pieces, if we want to follow our specifications. Nevertheless, we are aware of player feedback and we are definitely not the kind of dev team that ignores their players feedback. There were a few things we said would be immpossible to do, but we worked hard on it and made it possible in the end. We have regular meetings, I was in one just yesterday and we're planning on having another one this upcoming week, where we discuss how to lower development costs or which options we have to add more hairstyles. The players can be assured that we are aware and are thinking about this, but I am asking for a bit more patience and that you wait a little longer. I hope to have some good news soon.

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Translation from FFXIV discord
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So while it's not a "it's all coming in 6.0", at least they're actively trying to figure it out and work on it according to Yoshi P.
Personally I can sort of understand the hat situation but in that case I feel like if they can't figure out the hats issue then we should at least be getting some new hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by Serenno

Just a quick update:

Yoshi P addressed this issue in a new interview with a German website.



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Translation from FFXIV discord

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Alright, so neither are they working on hairs, they don't have any set plans to start doing so at any point yet.

It's a good thing I am back on my miqo'te now, it looks like. Nothing for EW for viera in terms of hair. Maybe in another two and a half years.

I don't wanna press YoshiP, after he's making Male Viera a reality. What I will say though is that I don't understand how Viera's heads are anything special when Miqo'te get hairstyles and headgear adjusted to them all the time, same with Elezen, Lalafel, and even Au ra. Viera wouldn't be the only ones whom headgear is adjusted for (resized/earholes/angled, etc).

I don't want them to break their backs adding everything. But when I see new gear/hairstyles not added to female Viera it's like what?
At this point I'll just hold them to more hairstyles for female Viera, as that's a real glaring problem that is not too much to ask. They don't even need to create brand new hairstyles; modify old ones and add them slowly over time. They put themselves in this situation by saying they will create unique race-locked hairstyles for Viera/Hrothgar. When it's preferable and easier in terms of money and time to just modify the existing ones on Viera and Hrothgar. Well maybe not Hrothgar...considering how their hair/head thing works.

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Originally Posted by Serenno

Just a quick update:

Yoshi P addressed this issue in a new interview with a German website.



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Translation from FFXIV discord
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So while it's not a "it's all coming in 6.0", at least they're actively trying to figure it out and work on it according to Yoshi P.
Personally I can sort of understand the hat situation but in that case I feel like if they can't figure out the hats issue then we should at least be getting some new hairstyles.

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Thank you for sharing. What I don't get is that they mention Viera ears as one of the reasons for not adding hats, but I'm a bit puzzled as to why Hrothgar can't wear them. I understand their snout/muzzle can get in the way for some full helms, but for everyday items like a traditional mage hat or the calfskin cap?

It's also oddly inconsistent, because we can wear the Bozjan Hood of Fending, but not hoods that share a similar design like the Rain Hood.

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Originally Posted by Serenno

Just a quick update:

Yoshi P addressed this issue in a new interview with a German website.

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Thank you for finding and posting this!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Alright, so neither are they working on hairs, they don't have any set plans to start doing so at any point yet.

It's a good thing I am back on my miqo'te now, it looks like. Nothing for EW for viera in terms of hair. Maybe in another two and a half years.

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I thought you were being a bit hyperbolic first but wow... They're still only in the meetings stage on this and it sounds like they really didn't have a plan for these races all this time?

There's a chance something will be ready by 6.0 still, but talk about misrepresenting the situation in their initial statements 2 years ago.

Oh well, at least we got a response and a bit more details alongside the "wait more pls" this time.

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Originally Posted by Serenno

Just a quick update:

Yoshi P addressed this issue in a new interview with a German website.



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Translation from FFXIV discord
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So while it's not a "it's all coming in 6.0", at least they're actively trying to figure it out and work on it according to Yoshi P.
Personally I can sort of understand the hat situation but in that case I feel like if they can't figure out the hats issue then we should at least be getting some new hairstyles.

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So that's hats. "We accept hats work on Viera but the clipping isn't up to our internal standards."

Now I personally don't mind the clipping if it means I can wear hats, I suppose for now there continue to be.. *cough* ..mods for that.

My issue with this answer is that the question on hair was -completely- ignored. Great, you're working on fixing the ridiculous 'feature' of hatless races, BUT WHERE ARE THE HAIRS THAT WERE SAID TO BE COMING TWO YEARS AGO?

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Originally Posted by TW-Luna

My issue with this answer is that the question on hair was -completely- ignored. Great, you're working on fixing the ridiculous 'feature' of hatless races, BUT WHERE ARE THE HAIRS THAT WERE SAID TO BE COMING TWO YEARS AGO?

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They're apparently still "discussing which options they have" with regards to hairstyles.

So from what he's saying, in all this time nothing has been done yet and nothing has even been planned yet and they're still in the very early stages of the decision making progress on this.

well he speaks about how to release „all“ of the hairstyles (not in particular just racial ones) and they are discussing it in regular meetings how to implement them. and he said that happens (even though it has especially taken off 6 months ago) about on weekly basis, which is quite alot if you ask me. it seems they are stepping up to fix the problem, they seem to have weekly meetings about the hair situation and how to complete these races. i know it‘s nothing tangible but nevertheless they have regular meetings on the headgear and hairstyle situation, which imo is promising and him saying they are trying to implement ALL of the hair is also quite nice!

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Originally Posted by TW-Luna

My issue with this answer is that the question on hair was -completely- ignored. Great, you're working on fixing the ridiculous 'feature' of hatless races, BUT WHERE ARE THE HAIRS THAT WERE SAID TO BE COMING TWO YEARS AGO?

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They didn't, if you read the full answer in the interview, and as Fukuro pointed out, they are consistently looking into how to implement ALL the hairstyles.


My GF and I are switching to female and male viera in 6.0, this is definitely good news for us, although I really think female viera have the most beautiful hairstyles in the game, personal taste I guess.

After seeing the question answered, I do have some small hope they will eventually come to releasing the hairstyles for viera. Before I address the rest of my thoughts, I want to C&P the translation of what he said from the discord that pushes translations out to discord servers.

"First off, the reason why Viera and Hrothgar can't wear hats right now is the following. We have very standardized specifications when it comes to head gear and the unique design with the long ears on Viera doesn't always meet these specifications. If we allowed every head gear piece, it would lead to clipping or other errors. The unique design of Viera and Hrothgar just prevents us from allowing these pieces, if we want to follow our specifications. Nevertheless, we are aware of player feedback and we are definitely not the kind of dev team that ignores their players feedback. There were a few things we said would be immpossible to do, but we worked hard on it and made it possible in the end. We have regular meetings, I was in one just yesterday and we're planning on having another one this upcoming week, where we discuss how to lower development costs or which options we have to add more hairstyles. The players can be assured that we are aware and are thinking about this, but I am asking for a bit more patience and that you wait a little longer. I hope to have some good news soon."

So to me, this confirms that they are aware we are upset, that this does need addressing. But it looks as though like I said, a large part of the problem is that they don't have the resources to focus on sorting this out. So this is absolutely something that will get worse with releasing male viera and hrothgar. It does irritate me that the people who have been the loudest are the ones who will get what they want, even though they too will end up feeling the same frustrations after 2 years of playing the race they want.

But in the hopes that someone might see this, I want to say, please please just let us choose how much clipping we're ok with in regards to hats. We're fine with ears sticking out when they might not make sense to. We're totally ok with picking our hairstyles to suit a particular hat, back when I played other races, I had to do that anyway. Viera heads are really not shaped so differently. So please, stop blocking hats for it. You don't need to put anymore resources in to makign them fit "right". To back myself up, I'm going to post a picture of the healer headband that just came out in the newest Bozja stuff. https://imgur.com/7Fps7gZ

This hat clips pretty badly with the hairstyle I was using. Had I wanted to wear it, I would have just switched styles. Players make this choice on a regular bases, why can't we? Why do SE find other undesirable visual aspects such as pixelated textures completely fine, but clipping is not? It's completely baffling.

Also, I wanted to point out the wonkiness of the translation for this line: "We have regular meetings, I was in one just yesterday and we're planning on having another one this upcoming week, where we discuss how to lower development costs or which options we have to add more hairstyles."

The way I have read this is that they have regular meetings discussing how to cut development costs and that can include what they can do about hairstyles, but I wouldn't read it as having weekly meetings about hairstyles. I would love a Japanese speaker's perspective on this.

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Originally Posted by LuluLavender

Also, I wanted to point out the wonkiness of the translation for this line: "We have regular meetings, I was in one just yesterday and we're planning on having another one this upcoming week, where we discuss how to lower development costs or which options we have to add more hairstyles."

The way I have read this is that they have regular meetings discussing how to cut development costs and that can include what they can do about hairstyles, but I wouldn't read it as having weekly meetings about hairstyles. I would love a Japanese speaker's perspective on this.

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Not Japanese or German but that makes a lot more sense. Weekly meetings to discuss various things, hairstyles and headgear being among them, and he happened to have one such meeting yesterday and will again next week.

Weekly meetings about just hats and hairstyles seems overboard and unlikely lol

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Originally Posted by Raskbuck

Thank you for sharing. What I don't get is that they mention Viera ears as one of the reasons for not adding hats, but I'm a bit puzzled as to why Hrothgar can't wear them. I understand their snout/muzzle can get in the way for some full helms, but for everyday items like a traditional mage hat or the calfskin cap?

It's also oddly inconsistent, because we can wear the Bozjan Hood of Fending, but not hoods that share a similar design like the Rain Hood.

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It's probably because viera/hrothgar don't have "hat hairs" made for them. (a secondary hair model that is slightly less puffy to not clip with a hat)

As I said in an other thread :
No new hairstyles nor hat compatibility for Vieira/Hrothgar as I expected. These races are really a waste if they don’t plan on making them fully customisable as the other ones. Adding male Viera/female Hrothgar won’t help.
As for clipping the game has already plenty of clipping/alpha/transparency/seethrough issues.
I think people can choose on their own if want to deal with it or not by hiding the hat/headgear with the toggle button.

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Originally Posted by LuluLavender

Why do SE find other undesirable visual aspects such as pixelated textures completely fine, but clipping is not? It's completely baffling.

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When you create a low res texture that's a decision, not an accident. Clipping is not intentional. It's when two or more elements not designed to work together end up trying to occupy the same space instead of having collision. As to which is more irritating depends on the situation and the person. It appears that SE are far less fond of clipping than low res textures.

Low res textures aren't nice but they're generally only noticeable from up close whereas clipping can often be easily noticed even from far away. From this my guess is that SE feel the potential horrific clipping from viera ears would damage the image of the game so they have opted to not permit most hats to be shown until, hopefully, a later date.

Low res textures are easier to handle from a design point of view because you can be strategic with where you place them. Clipping in the case of player characters is very dependent on the players' choices in how they choose to look which isn't easy to control without placing restrictions on what they can do such as not permitting certain hat models to be shown on certain races.

I'm not saying I agree with SE's decision to make most hat models invisible on the ShB races, I'm just trying to look at it from a designer's point of view.

Yes all of this would have been avoided had the new races' head issues been completely sorted out before they were released, but it's clear it would have meant that we would have gotten those races much later than 5.0. SE made the choice to release mostly finished races earlier than finished races later. I suppose they made that choice hugely because of the story they wanted to tell in ShB. Now that we are very late in the expansion we know that many major characters and plot points use the existence of viera and hrogthar to tell those stories.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut none of this justifies giving the pre-ShB races 10 hairstyles while viera and hrothgar got literally nothing. Not even racial hats. There's no reason why SE couldn't shave off a few of those hairstyles to give something to the new races. The blatant uneven distribution of attention given to in-game rewards for heads is very frustrating.

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Originally Posted by LuluLavender

...But in the hopes that someone might see this, I want to say, please please just let us choose how much clipping we're ok with in regards to hats...

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I understand what you're saying and all that.
But remember that this is SE's game and they have to feel like they are doing it right.
Imagine how games would turn out if the players got to decide what was OK or not.
Thousands of voices and opinions clashing but all of them are right in their own.

Just let SE take their time and work on their game.
It's not easy to keep up with everything when people keep requesting more and more when they probably already have a busy schedule to keep up with.

In hindsight his answers in that interview are pretty good; if you notice how he says to "wait a little longer" and "hope to have news soon." He could have said "wait longer" or to "please wait"

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I understand what you're saying and all that.
But remember that this is SE's game and they have to feel like they are doing it right.
Imagine how games would turn out if the players got to decide what was OK or not.
Thousands of voices and opinions clashing but all of them are right in their own.

Just let SE take their time and work on their game.
It's not easy to keep up with everything when people keep requesting more and more when they probably already have a busy schedule to keep up with.

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Requests, suggestions, and feedback are good situations for them to be in. It's when these stop that you should be worried as a game dev. At that point you become out of touch with your customer-base which then results in both parties being disinterested in the product/service.

Im happy that they finally addressed it and Im glad that they didn't completely leave it on the back burner (or maybe they're only doing it because the flak that comes with releasing an incomplete race is beginning to go into terminal velocity again is making them work on it), but the issue with the clipping...I mean....my feet clip through the ground some times. I honestly cant get behind the clipping reasoning because literally everything clips

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Originally Posted by Penthea

When you create a low res texture that's a decision, not an accident. Clipping is not intentional. It's when two or more elements not designed to work together end up trying to occupy the same space instead of having collision. As to which is more irritating depends on the situation and the person. It appears that SE are far less fond of clipping than low res textures.

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Honestly, I've dabbled in 3D modeling and animation in my younger years (with free programs no less, but I definitely made 3D models from the ground up) and a better physics engine could help mitigate the clipping. I mean..lets face it..you have these large poofy dressed in this game that just looks so awkward when they're static or barely moving at all when in reality, these things flow depending on how heavy the material is and how strong the force of wind is

I do hope the issue of Hrothgars having to pay money to change their hairs will be fixed...or literally, I kid you not, if they let me wear the calfskin riders cap, I will literally shut up haha. I REALLY love that hat

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Requests, suggestions, and feedback are good situations for them to be in. It's when these stop that you should be worried as a game dev. At that point you become out of touch with your customer-base which then results in both parties being disinterested in the product/service.

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Yes ofc those are important.
But people tend to get more and more demanding and that's not the right way of doing it.
We know SE listens, we've seen it multiple times.
But with a busy schedule, getting the time to add new stuff people are asking for isn't always as easy as people seem to think.
MMOs need to follow a time schedule for updates and expansions to keep the game and its content fresh and interesting or else people will stop playing.
That is and will be the top priority for any MMO I think.
And yes, I know everyone is aware, but with the pandemic things have taken a hit for everyone and the speed of development of stuff have been noticable due to it.
So priority has to be set and made.
I just wish more people would chill a little and be happy that things are at least on the way.
It's not like SE will forget unless people keep spamming them daily about it.

Im not a native english speaker but that text from the interview sounds like they havent even started on making new hairs for viera/hrothgar. Or am I understanding it wrong? and if they think two years is "little bit longer" then....lmao....

I dont really care for hats, it isnt a big deal to not be able to use them. I do wish they would just let the ears disappear under high hats because that would still be logical and that they would let the ears clip through the veils we have. Furthermore honestly just make more faceveils or other things for the face instead of making more of the same hats. Make pearls hanging down or cool masks or headbands or crowns/tiaras.

Y'all let's just be positive. Finally they broke the silence that they have been in for like what? 2 years? They didn't say "it's not gonna happen" they said "we are working on it and I hope having news soon" maybe we don't get them in the launch of EW but it doesn't seem we are getting them in 7.0....
I'm happy with that answer tbh and who knows maybe we get surprised

Even though I don't really understand why are they getting worried about hats clipping with hairs since it basically happens with every other race :confused:

But still, being able to access to new hairs would be amazing:p

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Yes ofc those are important.
But people tend to get more and more demanding and that's not the right way of doing it.
We know SE listens, we've seen it multiple times.
But with a busy schedule, getting the time to add new stuff people are asking for isn't always as easy as people seem to think.
MMOs need to follow a time schedule for updates and expansions to keep the game and its content fresh and interesting or else people will stop playing.
That is and will be the top priority for any MMO I think.
And yes, I know everyone is aware, but with the pandemic things have taken a hit for everyone and the speed of development of stuff have been noticable due to it.
So priority has to be set and made.
I just wish more people would chill a little and be happy that things are at least on the way.
It's not like SE will forget unless people keep spamming them daily about it.

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Focusing on tone is a slippery slope
https://i.postimg.cc/PJg7whcK/Ad-hominem.png

Square Enix is multi billion dollar company that has been around since 1990 something, they can take the heat. It's one thing to respect them, it's another thing to baby them. Babying them is what allows them to cut resources from the game and shift them over to things like Avengers or other projects. It's important to keep the pressure on; blind loyalty is bad for any product/service. If an mmo comes out that delivers in character customization and mmo elements I'm definitely inclined to jump ship until Square Enix gets their act together.

Now, they have me with Male Viera, well if they're tall; if they're short I'll just wave it as "at least they're here." But nevertheless, they have me with just adding male Viera. Moreover, half-assing things is what got us to 1.0, they lose our loyalty when they add races without their opposite gender and with limited customization. Everyone knows they messed up, even themselves. I don't know who they were kidding with 8 hairstyles and no hats/helmets support. They rushed them to get them out for Shadowbringers, but now it's time for them to cut back on the budget for gpose coding and gpose stickers and other things like ocean fishing.......and focus that money on this subject; well that's my opinion anyway.

I am happy that they working on it :):):)

I would love to have a big, floppy, wide-brim hat.

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Originally Posted by LuluLavender

After seeing the question answered, I do have some small hope they will eventually come to releasing the hairstyles for viera.

So to me, this confirms that they are aware we are upset, that this does need addressing. But it looks as though like I said, a large part of the problem is that they don't have the resources to focus on sorting this out. So this is absolutely something that will get worse with releasing male viera and hrothgar. It does irritate me that the people who have been the loudest are the ones who will get what they want, even though they too will end up feeling the same frustrations after 2 years of playing the race they want.

But in the hopes that someone might see this, I want to say, please please just let us choose how much clipping we're ok with in regards to hats. We're fine with ears sticking out when they might not make sense to.

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They have said for years that viera would get hair, this is not new information. We always thought we would get hair for viera, we just hoped we would get it sooner than later. It seems like they are really stretching the definition of "a little bit longer". I guess 2 and a half years is just "a little bit", and another additional year or two (minimum) is "a little bit".

Like I stated before, now there are going to be double the issues, and this is prior to female hrothgar being released. Are female hrothgar going to get the same treatment as viera hairs? Regardless they probably won't be seen until 7.0 earliest. They never even started working on hairs, and you'd think "well isn't it a little late to start having meetings to talk about how to allocate resources to actually create and add hairs for viera?". Seems to me it was probably just a "we'll get to it when we get to it" internally.

I don't care about hats. They never said we were getting hats, in fact they said we wouldn't get them. It always confused me how people seem to keep thinking that viera are going to get hats, and keep asking about hats. They aren't getting hats. The only new information here is that they look to have confirmed clipping as being the primary reason on why they will not add them.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I don't care about hats. They never said we were getting hats, in fact they said we wouldn't get them. It always confused me how people seem to keep thinking that viera are going to get hats, and keep asking about hats. They aren't getting hats. The only new information here is that they look to have confirmed clipping as being the primary reason on why they will not add them.

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*sad big, floppy hat noises*

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Focusing on tone is a slippery slope
https://i.postimg.cc/PJg7whcK/Ad-hominem.png

Square Enix is multi billion dollar company that has been around since 1990 something, they can take the heat. It's one thing to respect them, it's another thing to baby them. Babying them is what allows them to cut resources from the game and shift them over to things like Avengers or other projects. It's important to keep the pressure on; blind loyalty is bad for any product/service. If an mmo comes out that delivers in character customization and mmo elements I'm definitely inclined to jump ship until Square Enix gets their act together.

Now, they have me with Male Viera, well if they're tall; if they're short I'll just wave it as "at least they're here." But nevertheless, they have me with just adding male Viera. Moreover, half-assing things is what got us to 1.0, they lose our loyalty when they add races without their opposite gender and with limited customization. Everyone knows they messed up, even themselves. I don't know who they were kidding with 8 hairstyles and no hats/helmets support. They rushed them to get them out for Shadowbringers, but now it's time for them to cut back on the budget for gpose coding and gpose stickers and other things like ocean fishing.......and focus that money on this subject; well that's my opinion anyway.

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I'm not sure I can agree that nagging about things and then get upset when it doesn't turn out as they wanted to is the same thing as "respecting them".
I guess I have my own way of respecting them by understanding that the work they are doing isn't always easy and I don't want to add more pressure on them then is needed.
I fully expect things to happen. Especially when they've told us that it will happen. Like Viera hair.
But I won't stand nagging about it into their ears constantly.
I trust in them that since they've made official comments about it that they are fully aware that the community is waiting for it and that they are doing what they can while still maintaining everything else so it doesn't take a negative hit from it.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I'm not sure I can agree that nagging about things and then get upset when it doesn't turn out as they wanted to is the same thing as "respecting them".
I guess I have my own way of respecting them by understanding that the work they are doing isn't always easy and I don't want to add more pressure on them then is needed.
I fully expect things to happen. Especially when they've told us that it will happen. Like Viera hair.
But I won't stand nagging about it into their ears constantly.

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No one is "nagging into their ears constantly", we're posting on the official forums.

We're not exactly outside their door rioting or making prank calls harassing them. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Yencat

No one is "nagging into their ears constantly", we're posting on the official forums.

We're not exactly outside their door rioting or making prank calls harassing them. :rolleyes:

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it's a figure of speech.
I thought that was obvious. I guess not.
When they themselves have stated that they are aware of it. Sometimes they've said so several times yet people still continue like they would be oblivious to it.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

it's a figure of speech.
I thought that was obvious. I guess not.
When they themselves have stated that they are aware of it. Sometimes they've said so several times yet people still continue like they would be oblivious to it.

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I'm familiar thanks, but your repeated use of the word nagging makes it sounds like we have some sort of direct line to the devs and are bothering them by not just being quiet and patient. I'm sure they'll be just fine if we keep posting or nagging about it here.

This is also the first 'detailed' answer they've given about it in almost 2 years that gives any sort of insight into what the plan is or how far they've progressed so whatever you want to call it, people are going to discuss it and be either excited or slightly annoyed.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

it's a figure of speech.
I thought that was obvious. I guess not.
When they themselves have stated that they are aware of it. Sometimes they've said so several times yet people still continue like they would be oblivious to it.

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The slippery slope of the ad hominen pyramid never fails.
You went from criticizing people's tone towards the devs straight to ad hominen by avoiding the topic and attacking a person's authority to question and discuss the lack of hairstyles and hats/helmets for female Viera (and Male Hrothgar). It doesn't matter if they're aware of the request/feedback, people are free to discuss and bring it up; Square enix's customers are not their enemy, they're stakeholders. That's management 101.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Focusing on tone is a slippery slope
https://i.postimg.cc/PJg7whcK/Ad-hominem.png

Square Enix is multi billion dollar company that has been around since 1990 something, they can take the heat. It's one thing to respect them, it's another thing to baby them. Babying them is what allows them to cut resources from the game and shift them over to things like Avengers or other projects. It's important to keep the pressure on; blind loyalty is bad for any product/service. If an mmo comes out that delivers in character customization and mmo elements I'm definitely inclined to jump ship until Square Enix gets their act together.

Now, they have me with Male Viera, well if they're tall; if they're short I'll just wave it as "at least they're here." But nevertheless, they have me with just adding male Viera. Moreover, half-assing things is what got us to 1.0, they lose our loyalty when they add races without their opposite gender and with limited customization. Everyone knows they messed up, even themselves. I don't know who they were kidding with 8 hairstyles and no hats/helmets support. They rushed them to get them out for Shadowbringers, but now it's time for them to cut back on the budget for gpose coding and gpose stickers and other things like ocean fishing.......and focus that money on this subject; well that's my opinion anyway.

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Back in 2013, there was someone who was fervently defending SE for some topic I no longer remember. I replied to them that they should not be above criticism, and lo and behold, I got a warning for criticizing Square Enix. I suppose it's on me for not reading that clause in the ToS, but after that event, I rarely even post in the forums anymore. This whole Hrothgar/Viera debacle actually made me come out of the woodwork to contribute with my measly two cents.

As much as I agree with you, experience has shown me it's easier to just stay quiet and observe from the sidelines. I'd wager this is also one of the reasons the forums are not as populated as they could be.

i am sorry but i really don't understand... does it mean after waiting 2 years without any news they are just starting to address the issue and just starting (maybe) working on new hairstyles that might take another 2+ years to be added? ..:confused::confused:
and we gave up on hats already so i don't understand why talk about it more than hairstyles when it's the real issue here .. this is not promising at all

They really should just make viera and hrothgar more racial hairs if it’s *~*so hard*~* to give us anything else. We already know they can do it considering these races aren’t bald. I don’t really want to hear about development cost being the issue- they can spare the development cost for everyone else to make them tons of hair. They can do it for us for once after two and a half years.

I'm kind of curious just how bad the clipping IS for the other hairstyles and hats, considering the amount of hilariously bad clipping some of the gear - and heck, some of the hairstyles - already have. Like, some of the existing Viera styles already clip into your shoulders, and some of the other styles look weirdly disconnected from Miqo ears as-is.

This isn't even a sarcastic comment here, I'm just really curious what their standard actually is lol

They need to add more racial hair and the aesthetics ones. Then include hats for some of them. Wouldn't fix the issue but could be a temporary remedy for this curse.

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Originally Posted by Serenno

Just a quick update:

Yoshi P addressed this issue in a new interview with a German website.



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Translation from FFXIV discord
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So while it's not a "it's all coming in 6.0", at least they're actively trying to figure it out and work on it according to Yoshi P.
Personally I can sort of understand the hat situation but in that case I feel like if they can't figure out the hats issue then we should at least be getting some new hairstyles.

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This feels like a pretty weird comment from him (probably translation). He gives a reason for Viera not being able to use stuff and that's because of the long ears. Is there a reason for Hrothgar not being able to get more stuff given other than the unique design? I ask this because several pieces prove they're willing to put in the effort for Hrothgar, one of which being the level 80 AF NIN helm, which actually conforms with the face perfectly and doesn't seem to clip at all.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I don't care about hats. They never said we were getting hats, in fact they said we wouldn't get them. It always confused me how people seem to keep thinking that viera are going to get hats, and keep asking about hats. They aren't getting hats. The only new information here is that they look to have confirmed clipping as being the primary reason on why they will not add them.

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Along with clipping I suspect another reason being the fact that some hats alternate haircuts, and apparently modeling this for Viera with their... pretty wild hairs (in comparison to other racial haircuts, that is) might be a pretty depressing process. Most common haircuts we have a fairly simple in its primary shapes.

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Originally Posted by Serenno

Just a quick update:

Yoshi P addressed this issue in a new interview with a German website.



Source
Translation from FFXIV discord
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So while it's not a "it's all coming in 6.0", at least they're actively trying to figure it out and work on it according to Yoshi P.
Personally I can sort of understand the hat situation but in that case I feel like if they can't figure out the hats issue then we should at least be getting some new hairstyles.

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It's pretty much exactly what he's been saying for the past year, but I do like the confirmation that (much like I've been saying for months now) they think "let it clip" is not acceptable and that a proper solution would be something else.