Bard - they broke my job

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Originally Posted by aabe

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Please note my original response was to someone calling 2.x bard boring and for lazy people. My response was more meant to point out that there were complexities to the class. The DPS rewarded for optimal play just wasn't rewarded proportionally to the skill involved. I was by no means implying that WM isn't worth it DPS-wise.

You do have a good point on your second part. I feel this is mostly going to be a priority system. Something that increases the difficulty while learning a class, but not hard to execute once learned. I doubt it will be as difficult as consistently pulling off quad barrage, unfortunately. That was one of the most fun parts of the oGCD for me (I blame WM for its change).

I do not dislike WM because of mobility or DPS, for me it really is the play style change.

They need to fix the clunkiness of wm still.

There is nothing more awkward than placing flaming arrows between casts. x_x

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Originally Posted by Empty-handed

They need to fix the clunkiness of wm still.

There is nothing more awkward than placing flaming arrows between casts. x_x

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The most awkward thing to do on a BRD is use repelling shot and try to get another move off only to have the cast fail. The whole class wasn't meant for WM.

BRD isn't fun anymore. i did not choose BRD to be a caster. i don't have any other lv60 class and it will take a long time to make a new class lv60. leveling is too boring without story quests :/

Let us hope our overlords of the Sqaure Enix Clan decide to change this and other classes this upcoming Tuesday. Personally I've learned to live with WM, but hell if it's by my own choice...

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Originally Posted by zLynn

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this is the exact feeling im having, apart from all the mechanics or dps issues i feel the same and am in simelar position its just not fun to play anymore apart from the fact that we are fcked in so many fights now (take ravana for example we are casters that have to move thx to block mechanic) its just no bard anymore and that pisses me right off.

For me, it isn't about how much dps WM gives me, it's just basically that I played bard because of the mobility - it was fun, and really, it was the only job I liked. I dislike melee generally due to positionals, which I find annoying, not fun. And blm is just stuck in one spot. To be honest, I was so annoyed, I haven't even leveled the bard - I'm playing summoner now, but logging in less and less. I doubt we'll lose the WM mechanic, which is just sad, since the mobility was what made this class so fun for me.

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Originally Posted by VorpalSpork

I doubt we'll lose the WM mechanic, which is just sad, since the mobility was what made this class so fun for me.

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This forums are ignored by SE, I mean, We can say "WM is not fun" like 1521256 times here and nothing is gonna happend. Japanese forums are on a better spot I think.

im thinking we should move to the japanese thread XD

仰るとおりです...

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Originally Posted by yamochan

im thinking we should move to the japanese thread XD

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are Japs having the same issue with Bard?

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Originally Posted by yamochan

im thinking we should move to the japanese thread XD

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idk, jp forum bussing over lucrezia bard doing 970 dps in ravana ex, not sure it would achieve much to qq there atm...xD

only option is to find Yoshi-p irl and fite him (9'A')9

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

only option is to find Yoshi-p irl and fite him (9'A')9

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Unfortunately, you'll have to wait 1.5 seconds before you're allowed to take a swing.

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Originally Posted by Aiselia

Unfortunately, you'll have to wait 1.5 seconds before you're allowed to take a swing.

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np i'll pop all buffs (pree pull ofc ) and barrage empyreal arrow his ass. He is hell stronk though, won't even scratch his life bar fml.

Turn mineut off you might want to dodge his getgud aoe :x

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

idk, jp forum bussing over lucrezia bard doing 970 dps in ravana ex, not sure it would achieve much to qq there atm...xD

only option is to find Yoshi-p irl and fite him (9'A')9

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He only achieved that because of the phase skipping. Otherwise he would have suffered the loss of downtime.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

He only achieved that because of the phase skipping. Otherwise he would have suffered the loss of downtime.

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Every single DPS class suffers almost equally from the downtime loss. So the accomplishment still stands.

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Originally Posted by Sen_Terrechant

Every single DPS class suffers almost equally from the downtime loss. So the accomplishment still stands.

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Bard's always been one of the burstiest classes, not saying it isn't a great accomplishment because it is, but pushing phases that have 1.5x dps like that helps them out more than it would help out say a blm

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Originally Posted by Taban

Bard's always been one of the burstiest classes, not saying it isn't a great accomplishment because it is, but pushing phases that have 1.5x dps like that helps them out more than it would help out say a blm

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It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Th group was doing a lot of damage, thus they were able to skip phases, thus they were able to continue to dps the boss even harder, allowing them to skip more phases and getting higher dps because they don't have much down time because they were skipping mechanics.

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Originally Posted by AzraelX

are Japs having the same issue with Bard?

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just look at the japanese bard thread it was pretty much mayham at the start but i did not read it for quite some time
some 40 pages ago someone posted the google translation if u cant it ur self

Issues I've faced playing Red Bard.

1. Using a buff right before cast cancels cast.
2. Awkward timing trying to cast flaming arrows after casting is awkward which sometimes cancels the cast of the next cast.
3. Weaving OGCD's sometimes cancels cooldowns, canceling themselves as well at the same time.
4. Trying to use repelling shot, I get pushed back, but action does not actually go off and cancels next cast.
5. Doing any of the following while trying to cast Iron Jaw is likely to cancel your cast and have you recast both dots.
6. From 5, trying to recast your dots while trying to dodge aoes will result into a damage loss - turn minuet off.
7. Occasionally casts randomly cancels itself for no apparent reason when you've done nothing wrong - lag or latency or just pure garbage.
8. We are now called Red Barms, which is funny as I am sure I was playing Bard.

Good Job SE buffing DRG (Current top class...ofc need buffs...),
BLM (good buff to enochian, legit)
AST(it was necesary, I know)...


Uninstalling FFXIV...

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Originally Posted by xXRaineXx

Issues I've faced playing Red Bard.
6. From 5, trying to recast your dots while trying to dodge aoes will result into a damage loss - turn minuet off.

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use IJ early

this is a joke right? i just read the patchnotes no changes to MCH or BRD not even QoL but buffs to 2 of top dps classes?! WTF i actually dont know what to say to this...

well i gues cya by final fantasy would be appropriate gl with gettin ppl to stay in the game with this shit.

peace im out

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Originally Posted by aabe

use IJ early

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That is subject to the player playstyle. If your a casual player, then yes go right ahead. But if your someone who tries to squeeze every little DPS you can, you would want to wait till the very last second to cast. Long term, refreshing DoTs early results in a DPS loss.

I hope it isnt to bad.. i am not even lvl 60 yet.

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Originally Posted by yamochan

this is a joke right? i just read the patchnotes no changes to MCH or BRD not even QoL but buffs to 2 of top dps classes?! WTF i actually dont know what to say to this...

well i gues cya by final fantasy would be appropriate gl with gettin ppl to stay in the game with this shit.

peace im out

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Lol, its hilarious how over dramatic this is.

BRD's are in a good place DPS wise atm, especially with a DRG. Savage is out now so please hold your qq until we see how BRD's do in real, relevant content.

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Originally Posted by ChalupaBatman

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last place is a good place for you?

broken class mechanics that dont work right because casting BRD rushed and unfinished is alright as well?

beeing left out of grps because BRD dmg is to low seems legit as well right? (well at least not anymore after the last chance but still)

savage is out yes and BRD might have a place but not because of his dmg.
after u parse in the first alex fights and u do more dps than anyone else then u can say BRD has good dps. (if u dont enter with idiots that is)
we were the bottom of the table from start and now the rest gets even stronger thats said horseshit i was talking about some pages ago thats not balancing!

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Originally Posted by ChalupaBatman

Lol, its hilarious how over dramatic this is.

BRD's are in a good place DPS wise atm, especially with a DRG. Savage is out now so please hold your qq until we see how BRD's do in real, relevant content.

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Be a Battery while playing a clunky piece of shit?

Waaay too hostile and need to tone it down...It's a game damn like seriously.

Also that being denied into raid groups as Bard lol ? Bard has ALWAYS had lower dps than others and yet still had a raid spot.

SE has said repeatedly they will look at Bard during Alex Savage.

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Originally Posted by LambLich

Be a Battery while playing a clunky piece of shit?

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i forgott to mention tha thx a lot ^^

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Originally Posted by Noira

Waaay too hostile and need to tone it down...It's a game damn like seriously.

Also that being denied into raid groups as Bard lol ? Bard has ALWAYS had lower dps than others and yet still had a raid spot.

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its a damn game that costs me damn money so i can expect something from that money and hell i was productive, i gave hints, i discussed a lot with the others as well, i was happy when SE said they will look into BRD after alex NORMAL started but now 2 weeks later nothing happens thats it. cup is above full now. all 4 languages complain and complain and it gets straight ignored and the answer is so simple just give BRD back the autoatk even if WM is on and we at least do dmg that alone will satisfy half of us at least. guess why BRD get a raidplace because of Mana/TP song THATS IT!
i was calm and collected for long enough now ill blow off some steam.

oh and bard was always a bit behind yes it was but it had mobility now we dont even have that and are behind even more #ThXSE

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Originally Posted by yamochan

guess why BRD get a raidplace because of Mana/TP song THATS IT!

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Hey look on the bright side, at least Astrologian brings tp/mp refresh now. Bard songs will be more needed than ever!

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Hey look on the bright side, at least Astrologian brings tp/mp refresh now. Bard songs will be more needed than ever!

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good thing whm and sch still destroy ast in terms of the role the job is actually meant to perform

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Originally Posted by Noira

Waaay too hostile and need to tone it down...It's a game damn like seriously.

Also that being denied into raid groups as Bard lol ? Bard has ALWAYS had lower dps than others and yet still had a raid spot.

SE has said repeatedly they will look at Bard during Alex Savage.

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brd had the lowest dps , yes but in 2.0 we could dps and move while other couldnt , that closed the gap....now we cant move and dps ...

fun thing is that we are in 3.0 , cant wait to see the BRD relic .... with a pity WDM

hive weapons are 68 brd vs 72 for others. 5 WDM difference

210 weapons are 68 vs 76 ....8 dmg difference is a 1$$!$ joke.

lets wait until Savage SE said...yeah because they dont see it incoming from miles away ~~

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

hive weapons are 68 brd vs 72 for others. 5 WDM difference

210 weapons are 68 vs 76 ....8 dmg difference is a 1$$!$ joke.

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hive are 65, 7 difference

already starting to see party finders where they aren't taking brd/mch. Not really surprised with how tight the dps check is right now.

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Originally Posted by Rikkustrife

hive are 65, 7 difference

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<true strike> , my mistake :(

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Originally Posted by Reinha

Hey look on the bright side, at least Astrologian brings tp/mp refresh now. Bard songs will be more needed than ever!

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you dont need to tell me...
well at least in a short time you will loose a lot of friends who love to bard to other classes or hopefully other games so that SE feels the impact of such actions
bard is not distinct anymore it will be extinct!

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

brd had the lowest dps , yes but in 2.0 we could dps and move while other couldnt , that closed the gap....now we cant move and dps ...

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Oh my god. So tired of this line. Yes. Yes you can. You need to move, drop WM and move. Reapply when moving is done. Yes. Your dps is slightly less potent while moving, but that doesn't mean you can't do it. Mobility is virtually unaffected -if you play the job right.- This is not an opinion. It's truth.

Sad times for brds indeed.....please SE give me my mobility back....