Fixing Legacy Characters Story

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Originally Posted by Raymeo

I played through the 1.0 main story though. It ended fighting a magitek flying thing in Mor Dhona, followed by a totally sweet final cut scene fighting along side the scions. A forgettable bystander? Please.

Then I finished every side quest in the game. Then they added grand companies, communicating that they were intended to be something extra, parallel to the main story -- not an extension of it -- simply to keep us busy until 2.0 and test out some of their primal mechanics ahead of the re-release.

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The way I saw it was that the original 1.0 storyline (which ended in that fight in Mor Dhona) was only a story line. It was also created without any real notion of the fall of Dalamud or had any part in Van Darnus' plans. You could tell as the GC storyline got underway, though, that it was becoming the main storyline - the fight for the future of Eorzea. I never once thought of it as an extension.

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Originally Posted by Lanceton

well, my character did take part in the Battle of Carteneau .... I guess he was just left there to die but somehow survived the battle field, and lost his memory.

I doubt squareenix will do anything to 'correct' this issue, just have to live with it.
they no longer need to worry about a 'failure' anymore given the game's apparent popularity, and we as its players will get less and less courtesies, just be prepared.

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Going from the cutscene alone, technically we never saw any of our characters taking part in the battle. It's implied, though, assuming that you completed "United We Stand", that you were on the forefront of the battle which is where you would need to have been to be included in the whole being teleported/time thing. If you didn't get that far in the story, maybe in the battle you were just too far away from the spell (or whatever it was) to have been included.

I can see the disappointment due to the lack of specific information regarding the eligibility of the difference in the 2.0 cutscenes. It was obviously implied (in some people's minds) that any 1.0 character would get it, but if you didn't actually have any huge impact in the story (i.e. being part of the elite team to take down the Lunar Transmitter, or being the ones to go against Van Darnus) then you can't really expect it to make sense in lore that you suddenly became one of the "Warriors of the Light". It was something I was concerned with back when the whole thing was announced, and after thinking about this (what has actually happened regarding this whole issue) it makes sense. When it comes to it, anyone who did miss out on this just weren't somebody that important, in the eyes of the lore.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Correct, the Grand Company quest called "United We Stand."

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I'm 100% sure I completed that quest. You needed it complete to fight "To kill a Raven" and Raven(hard) and I know i have my vanity earrings' White Ravens.

So I'm sure that's not the problem here.

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Originally Posted by Themis

I can see the disappointment due to the lack of specific information regarding the eligibility of the difference in the 2.0 cutscenes. It was obviously implied (in some people's minds) that any 1.0 character would get it, but if you didn't actually have any huge impact in the story (i.e. being part of the elite team to take down the Lunar Transmitter, or being the ones to go against Van Darnus) then you can't really expect it to make sense in lore that you suddenly became one of the "Warriors of the Light". It was something I was concerned with back when the whole thing was announced, and after thinking about this (what has actually happened regarding this whole issue) it makes sense. When it comes to it, anyone who did miss out on this just weren't somebody that important, in the eyes of the lore.

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True. But it also doesn't make any sense to throw returning 1.0 players into the game and treating them like bloody newbies who have never been to Eorzea before.
Mutliple level 50s, ORiginal Storyline completed, Ifrit, Garuda, Moogle King down etc. and you want me to believe not a single person remembers such a character? o_O?

Not to mention starting in Gridania, just like in 1.0, Mother Miounne makes me signthe guild register - again. Why doesn't my char speak up and say "Hey, I already registered 5 years ago." ? Why do Yda and Papalymo not recognize the guy who was there when they crashed with their airship and were chased by a treant?

I can understand when late/endgame NPCs do not recognize such characters, but the ones you had no choice but to meet the moment you stepped into 1.0? By now, I'm hard-pressed to believe SE gave this whole WoL/Legacy thing more than a quick glance. The flaws are too obvious.

What you wrote is true enough, but that does not absolve SE from having to explain a bit more.... a whole lot a bit more. :rolleyes:

Well damn. Thanks for the answer... but darn it all that I couldn't get to the end of the story so long ago. (Time and money constraints...sigh) So now there is a huge hole that breaks the story and makes little sense. So a 1.0 chara is forgotten but some how spent 5 years elsewhere, twiddling my thumbs? How the heck does this make much sense eh?

As a small writer that isn't one (Only being paid for one's work makes it so no?)... I find that this doesn't make me happy with the entire story. At least not the beginning. I can only bend my imagination so far before it just well... doesn't make sense to me. Ah well. As I said in this thread. It matters not now. I'm nearing the end of the story line, so I don't really care about this much anymore. I'll simply call it poor writing on... someone's part and call it a day.

I can let you guys know that were not able to do this part that the van Darnus fight was fun. :)

Obviously our characters would have to have completed later quests in the 7th umbral era story line to affect the Legatus-level Garlean story line in ARR. Mine didn't, so I can accept that her story won't include such references.

Also, we need to separate character from actor here. Name in credits, supporting v1 and the devs in any way: all that was people, not characters. Legacy Chocobo is just that strange thing the character finds in the mailbox, like the Coeurl Mount. It just means some out-of-game money changed hands.

And it's natural I feel disappointed because I thought I was told that my character played some part of this effort against the 7th umbral era, but the devs now say she didn't. It's that awkward embarrassment when you find out someone you've been proud about is revealed to be less than that memory. The extra sting is that since we controlled the characters, it's a statement about us as players, too. (For those that did complete most or all the quests, you're probably feeling some anger, too.)

But the worst and saddest of the situation here is not only this plot hole but memory hole, and the situation we find ourselves and our characters in:
• New ARR character: Never been here, starts to make their story. Happy.
• 7th umbral era quests completed: teleported in, forgotten by NPCs, gets remembered. Happy.
• Other v1: Forgotten by NPCs, forgotten by devs, never remembered. Very sad.

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Originally Posted by Camate

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Glad we get an explanation at least.

Doesn't make much sense considering everyone was sent into the future, and would have I prefer we'd hear about it before the cut. All I was told was "Legacy will get a different storyline". But at least it's an explanation.

I think I'll just stick with my new character.

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Originally Posted by KaiDennDalk

Well, this is huge disappointment, mostly considering we could have done something about it had we knew one year ago.

Back to get treated like a newbie by Minfilia & others..

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don't worry.. ive had the "alternative" cutscene.. and not a whole lot changes.. you are treated like a noob until the dead end of the story where they then go hey.. what you did back then.. means nothing its what you can do for us in the future that matters..

Somehow it sounds like this is a somewhat recent decision. There were people who didn't complete the quests who got the different scenes, and as people keep pointing out, it doesn't make sense that people who should remember us don't. If you signed Mother Miounne's book in 1.0, why doesn't she see your name, just because you didn't complete a quest that happened forever later? Did someone run in and erase anyone's name who didn't complete that task? :x
Kan-e-Senna called her up after taking roll, like "Yeah, these guys are not here. Erase their names and forget they ever existed"?
I spent a lot of time with Urianger, being one of the few people who believed him and agreed to help him, but somehow he doesn't remember that?

And if I wasn't transported, where was I for five years? Why doesn't anyone fully remember me, if I wasn't blanked out of memory? Why wasn't I with my chocobo (it says something like "five years separation doesn't mean anything, because here's your chocobo back by your side~" although I just paraphrased all of that)? Where did the mark on my back come from?
It's nice to have an answer, but I don't buy that it's always supposed to have been this way. This way makes little sense.

I guess there's nothing to do about it now, but it's disappointing.

Maybe when the Calamity happened, every single NPC got clocked in the head with rubble from the exploding buildings, yay convienent amnesia for everybody!

Seriously though, I made it to the end to the normal storyline, I'm still bummed out. Has to have been a recent decision, but what do I know, I'm a 1.0 nobody. :P