I thought people might be exaggerating about SMN

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

People always say SMN just casts a bunch of different colored ruins but they never say RDM casts a bunch of different colored jolts before its melee phase. Jolt, Fire, and Stone all do the same thing and all have the same cast time, but somehow they are all recognized as being distinctly different.

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Basically, using RDM spells in a systematic way will fill a gauge that gives you access to a powerful combo, which will then start to proc other powerful spells. The difference between the "colored Jolts" is simply because they produce different effects (fills a different bar the gauge) and helps to unlock a lot of different abilities.

For SMN's "colored Ruins" you simply shoot them for raw damage and that's it.

I'm not saying SMN needs to be the same as RDM, but that SMN right now is basically reduced to "use whatever is available without consequence".

Imagine rubbing in that you have 5 buttons.

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Originally Posted by Dahlinea

"use whatever is available without consequence".

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Except you need to know the fight and think beforehead what to use, or you will stuck running around with Ifrit's 2,8 sec cooldowns or Garuda's pool, unable to cast and losing dps, if you already wasted swiftcast on something.

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Originally Posted by skooma_dealer

Except you need to know the fight and think beforehead what to use, or you will stack running around with Ifrit's 2,8 sec cooldowns or Garuda's pool, unable to cast and losing dps, if you already wasted swiftcast on something.

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A situation that happens once per fight at most.

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Originally Posted by Madoka

A situation that happens once per fight at most.

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I suggest you to try savage raids then. You will be surprised.

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Originally Posted by skooma_dealer

I suggest you to try savage raids then. You will be surprised.

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I've already tried savage+ content on new SMN and the only thing that surprised me was how little there was to do, cognitively and mechanically.

I do. Once you've resolved a mechanic without prior fuckups you know what primal phase you should be in then. And as long as your party isn't over-complicating a mechanic, like most PF parties and fourfold.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

....now that you bring that up. I kinda want that now. Why doesnt Monk have some of those moves? Granted you do get a bit of Sabin's Blitzes in FFXIV. SE, gives us the option suplex our enemies or spawn dolphins with an uppercut!

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Right!!? I wanna finish a Hades fight by hitting him in time with Echo the dolphin!

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Originally Posted by skooma_dealer

I suggest you to try savage raids then. You will be surprised.

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Pardon, but I happened to look up your character, and you seem to be doing Savage on Samurai and not Summoner. So, how exactly would you know how Summoner plays in Savage?

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Nope. The job is dead. I must have gone through the skill list at least a dozen times trying to figure out what I was missing because I actually had empty slots. I honestly don't know how it went live like this.

I know people complained about the original complexity, but damn talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. They went to such an extreme in the opposite direction I could almost set a metronome to the button presses. Now easily the most mind-numbingly boring job in the game.

Also it feels like physik is bugged because it says 400 potency but heals seem to be a fraction of that value.

I actually regret having leveled the job now.

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Looks up level 80 Summoner who has never downed an extreme or savage boss, u wot.