So what would you say a healer do when there is no healing to do(which is very very often assuming level 80[I'm being generous] and you're not spamming Cure I or an equivalent)? Stand there? Emote? Pop open a Realm Reborn Red to celebrate everyone being at sufficient health? No, seriously. What would you have them do? What ELSE CAN they do other than DPS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drkdays
This has absolutely nothing to do with a "gogogogo" mentality and more understanding both the gameplay systems at work and the fact that this is not a single player game. Yeah, you could "focus on healing" but by doing so(again, assuming level 80) you're greatly disrespecting the time of your teammates because once HP is sufficient, you're doing nothing to help out.
With all due respect, a healer that focuses on healing(especially with how pitiful the last few dungeons has been hitting) IS irrelevant, because nothing in this game(even Ultimate!) hits hard enough to warrant that much healing uptime.
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11-08-2021, 06:05 PMJonathan_Clover
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11-08-2021, 06:28 PMDrkdaysI'm not saying that there is something wrong with a healer adding their dps, you'll never catch me saying that. I'm saying that there IS something wrong with saying there is something wrong with healers not adding their dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan_Clover
Not everyone operates at the same level with healing and the game operates on the assumption that dps from healers is entirely unneeded, but very welcome, while healing should be the main focus.
And before someone says, "well, on x fight there's no way we can beat the mechanics without healers blasting hard as they can!"
Sorry, your group's dps sucks. The hardest content demands the best dps FROM DPS. If you have to kill yourself dpsing as a healer, that's not a boss issue but a team issue.
We're at the and of an expansion; is it so surprising that experienced 80s are bored atm? Many healers easily out gear all but savage content and have thoroughly learned most, if not all, content, so of course they have more time to dps, but that's not the case with everyone.
I mean, just read what you are writing: "a healer that focuses on healing IS irrelevant." Can you really make that claim for everyone?
At the end of the day, the COLD, HARD TRUTH is that the very name of this thread can be disproven with absurd ease.
Do I really need to bore everyone with a list of those who would have trouble adding dps while healing?
Here goes: young players, new players, lifelong tank or dps players, bad/old/weak hardware users, elderly players, infirm or crippled players, special needs players, especially timid or ultra casual players, etc...
The list goes on.
Feeling pressured to dps can and will keep CERTAIN players from healing. Obviously. Some people need to stay focused on one role: the one they signed up as.
If you can heal while plowing your dps into a boss while watching a movie, eating lunch and reading a book, good for you /golfclap. Don't expect everyone to be able to do the same. It's frankly rude. -
11-08-2021, 06:50 PMJonathan_CloverSo forgive me if this comes out formatted oddly, this is the first time I'm attempting to quote a specific thing on mobile, and it's not my intention to misrepresent your argument at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drkdays
When I made my post above, I specified(twice) that I was talking about level 80 characters. You are not new when you hit 80. I have no issue at all with a fresh faced healer in their first few duties being too scared to DPS while healing, AS LONG as they're receptive to advice and make the attempt to improve.
Regarding what I said about healers being irrelevant, again I stand by what I said. I could have emphasized level 80 when I said that bit(because that's what I was referencing to in my entire post), and that's on me(it's 4 AM I'm sorry aha).
As much as I would like for healing to be the main focus of this game(even though I'm very fond of the combat medic playstyle) it's sadly not. Like I said earlier, NOTHING in this game hits hard enough to warrant a main focus on healing.
If I'm coming off as hostile, forgive me. That's truly not my intention.
Regarding the "there is something wrong with getting mad with healers not adding DPS"(Please keep in mind I'm being very generous and only accounting level 80), I say it's a fair thing to be annoyed at. If you're "just healing" then once everyone is topped up, they're contributing actually nothing. 0. You can't heal a bunch of mobs to death. Plus with how simple the Healer DPS kit(2 basically identical buttons shared across the 3 healers) is, there honestly is no excuse not to do it. -
11-08-2021, 06:56 PMDrkdaysI gotcha, but I stand by what I said, too. It's fine to be irritated, but for some people it's just not possible to divide their focus like that. Idk why people just can't accept that like SE has apparently accepted it. This entire forum seems like an attack on anyone unwilling to dps when the correct term might be unable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan_Clover
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11-08-2021, 07:00 PMFoxCh40s
Healers that only heal usually can't keep a tank alive through a big pull or huge damage burst. Proven time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and again.
As an Omni-Role Player (who has mained a healer since 2.0 came out early access) I speak from personal experience.
Healers only flew back in original ARR because we didn't have the Mp or Ogcd's to do it full time on White Mage.
If you only heal, you're really just being stubborn and prideful.
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11-08-2021, 07:03 PMDrkdaysThe only relevant bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxCh40s
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11-08-2021, 07:05 PMJonathan_Clover
If someone as a healer can't divide their attention between keeping HP up, and doing DPS spells(something that the game says you should do, CNJ quests and Hall of the Novice immediately come to mind), especially with how SIMPLE it is now for healers to do damage, if they can't do that(which I consider the absolute bare minimum, and this is coming from a non-Savage raider), should they even play a healer?
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11-08-2021, 07:54 PMDrkdays
"Should they even play-" is where you lost me. They can play whatever they want, however they want no matter how bad others consider them and they should never EVER be made to feel bad about it.
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11-08-2021, 07:59 PMNobleWinterThis entire forumn is, in fact, an attack on people UNWILLING to dps. Almost everyone I've seen has prefaced their statements at one time or another with an admittance that people UNABLE to dps should be able to learn to heal and feel comfortable in the role. It's more than fine. It's normal. People who understand the game, are highly skilled, and just don't want to dps when it's the only thing they have to offer for 60% or more of a duty are definitely being attacked tho. If you honestly can't do any dps without a mental breakdown that's fine. The game is mostly made to cater to that. Asking for better downtime between the rare healing event is not an attack on unskilled players tho. It is a desperate cry for their to be enjoyment in our favored role. We all want to enjoy FFXIV and so we pay for it. Pressing Broil until I zone out because Ive paid my sub for 8 years and learned my class well is not worthwhile. An MMORPG is meant to be played for years on end. It's crazy to think that every healing job needs to be so shallow it can mastered in a few months when the expectation is that you'll play it for multiple years. Ive seen fresh sprouts doing Ultimates in less than year. Accessibility is great but we have to have some balance where there is room to grow and improve with the role as well that also makes sense with how content is designed. A single damage button just doesnt make any sense. Solo duties, fates, leve quest, beast tribes, etc are god awful as healers. It's a problem and it can be addressed without scaring away new people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drkdays
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11-08-2021, 08:01 PMGrimGaleThis means nothing. It applies to any class on any game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drkdays
Yet you don't see neither tanks or dps reduced to 1 button spam.
At this point you're just baiting.