Possible patch delay

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Originally Posted by Ilean

Well yes, but trying to recover from a botched MMO launch isn't exactly standard.

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Indeed there is nothing standard about this game. Who ever heard of two versions of the same MMO being worked on at once?

But as far as FFXIII-2 chocobo music is concerned, I think you should lighten up. Any drum solo that sounds like it was done by this guy can't be all bad:

http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/0/0d/AnimalS1.JPG

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

But two months has been more of a minimum between significant patches. It was more than three months between 1.17 and 1.18, and about two and a half between 1.18 and 1.19, and 1.19 and 1.20.

Where do you get your numbers for the industry standard? Genuine question. :) If two months is considered "a rather fast pace", then the industry standard would be... two and a half? Three? Four? Rift has been delivering major patches on the low of end 4-6 weeks since it's launch in March, and I've always been under the impression the first few years of an MMOs life were much faster than three or four notable updates a year.

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i dont know about him but i get my numbers from the massive ammount of mmos ive played

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

i dont know about him but i get my numbers from the massive ammount of mmos ive played

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Funny, I've played a massive amount too! A stalemate, then. So I ask again, as a genuine question, is there some hard data or resources out there?

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

Funny, I've played a massive amount too! A stalemate, then. So I ask again, as a genuine question, is there some hard data or resources out there?

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yes
yuou can go to most of the game websites and look at patch release dates

problem is, not all games number them the way we do, and youll see quite a few who do the

1.1-1.2-1.3 and such for anything they release even the smallest hotfix so youll end up having to actualy go in and read the notes to be able to tell what it is patching

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

yes
yuou can go to most of the game websites and look at patch release dates

problem is, not all games number them the way we do, and youll see quite a few who do the

1.1-1.2-1.3 and such for anything they release even the smallest hotfix so youll end up having to actualy go in and read the notes to be able to tell what it is patching

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I've done that before, and Rift and Guild Wars both trounced FFXIV in terms of pace. It was a less than thrilling process of literally scouring years of patch notes, so I was curious if any of this data came from a source that had it already compiled over more MMOs over a significant amount of time. It appears as though that is not the case, so we're still working on anecdotal evidence when it comes to defining an industry standard.

Ah well, maybe I'll hunt down more stats over break, dig through a few more MMO's updates. :)

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

I've done that before, and Rift and Guild Wars both trounced FFXIV in terms of pace. It was a less than thrilling process of literally scouring years of patch notes, so I was curious if any of this data came from a source that had it already compiled over more MMOs over a significant amount of time. It appears as though that is not the case, so we're still working on anecdotal evidence when it comes to defining an industry standard.

Ah well, maybe I'll hunt down more stats over break, dig through a few more MMO's updates. :)

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as a note of reference, f2p games add things at much different paces then p2p games since they get paid for the content, not for keeping the game up like p2p games do(this is in reference to guild wars)
by those standards you should see how quick ddo releases content, then again they charge for it all and thats how they make their cash so they have to

and 1 game doesnt set the "standard" rift is now at 1.6 which isnt nesisarily 6 patches of content(1.0 is release)
also, rift was holding back content for release from launch so that they could be more quick paced near the start too(a few games have done this recently)

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

as a note of reference, f2p games add things at much different paces then p2p games since they get paid for the content,

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It would also be good to note that even F2P games make profit, FFXIV currently makes nothing.

But I'd still compare the dev cycle to a P2P game, they have a large team working seemingly nonstop on the game and new engine. There are alot of thing to factor in if you were to compare it to other MMO's and it would be even harder to draw any sort of informed conclusion because FFXIV has no other game to baseline on, as no other MMO has really tripped at launch so bad yet continued developement (As far as a totally new engine)

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Originally Posted by Jynx

It would also be good to note that even F2P games make profit, FFXIV currently makes nothing.

But I'd still compare the dev cycle to a P2P game, they have a large team working seemingly nonstop on the game and new engine. There are alot of thing to factor in if you were to compare it to other MMO's and it would be even harder to draw any sort of informed conclusion because FFXIV has no other game to baseline on, as no other MMO has really tripped at launch so bad yet continued developement (As far as a totally new engine)

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if you count the shear ammount of stuff being done each patch its a good baseline, and not just the "content" released
if we didnt have so much non content being done, it would look so much different
but the non content is needed of course so you cant just pass it over

as far as games to look at that may be a good comparison recently...STO and Champions, and perhaps Lego Universe

LU is closed
Champions and STO went f2p, but before they did the releases were rather slow(in the first year champions released 1 new zone, and 1 dungeon total that was new, and only did 2-3 events)

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

as a note of reference, f2p games add things at much different paces then p2p games since they get paid for the content, not for keeping the game up like p2p games do(this is in reference to guild wars)
by those standards you should see how quick ddo releases content, then again they charge for it all and thats how they make their cash so they have to

and 1 game doesnt set the "standard" rift is now at 1.6 which isnt nesisarily 6 patches of content(1.0 is release)
also, rift was holding back content for release from launch so that they could be more quick paced near the start too(a few games have done this recently)

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Ah hah, so the "industry standard" varies by model. *Now* we're making progress toward defining it, even though we still lack specific numbers.

I've read each and every single list of patch notes for Rift. They *have* had six patches of content. 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5., 1.6... and that's not including a few significant ones that they had in between each of those. They're currently at, glancing at my list, nine major updates total since March.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

Ah hah, so the "industry standard" varies by model. *Now* we're making progress toward defining it, even though we still lack specific numbers.

I've read each and every single list of patch notes for Rift. They *have* had six patches of content. 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5., 1.6... and that's not including a few significant ones that they had in between each of those. They're currently at, glancing at my list, nine major updates total since March.

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and yet rift has a steadily declining playerbase, which says alot there too
im not ragging on rift saying that, but its also somewhat the industry standard for that to happen no matter how succesful a game is considered cuz it isnt a veteran mmo(you should see my stance/rants on why people play vet mmos and always compare to them, and keep going basck to them while they hate them with a passion)