So, why isn't this a thing yet?

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

thats not what they are saying, as the majority of people who do act on such feelings have already committed to doing said act, with or without help. the argument stems from trying to stop something before it can happen, similar to people who say to ban guns because others kill people with guns.
"dont own guns, they kill people!"
"dont put kids in the game, there are pedos out there!"

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You probably shouldn't start trying to patronize with the whole gun argument. With all the gun violence happening in America at the moment and the rest of the world laughing at 'murica because the rest of the world has proven anti-gun/high control policies actually work.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

You probably shouldn't start trying to patronize with the whole gun argument. With all the gun violence happening in America at the moment and the rest of the world laughing at 'murica because the rest of the world has proven anti-gun/high control policies actually work.

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Yes, they work to cause even more crime. As proven, guns actually lower crime.

Anyways, OP is right. Why can't we play children? It makes no sense to me. Why can't we play half races either?

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

You probably shouldn't start trying to patronize with the whole gun argument. With all the gun violence happening in America at the moment and the rest of the world laughing at 'murica because the rest of the world has proven anti-gun/high control policies actually work.

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yes control policies do work to a degree, and i wasnt trying to bring the gun debate in. i was making a connection with the way some people go overboard on things when feelings come into play.
ironicly, some of the places that have stricter regulations in regards to guns have a higher kill rate of non gun related violence, including knives, trains, buildings, cars, and anything else they can use. someone who aims to do something will do it, regardless of rules or policies put in place to prevent it from happening.
as for my comment that you quoted, i was trying to prevent that person from using what you said against you because what he said wasnt what you were getting at. you are for a proactive prevention instead of reactive.
besides the " 'murica" part, this has been one of the more entertaining "debates"(using this word loosely from how some of the other comments have been) in a good while because neither side is truely wrong.

Just a quick note people. Pedophilia itself is not illegal at all and how can it be? You cant blame a person who is born like that. You can't blame homos, trans, pyromaniacs either or people who love animals (Maybe in some racist countries like USA). There is probably millions of them who have normal life and they keep their fetish hidden etc...
But what is illegal is that some, minority of them forces themselves over children, which is horrible. And from that point, the all seeing eye, media labels ALL pedophiles worst thing in the human kind. Most of the normal and non violent ones are afraid to come public etc... because of the witch hunt media is making.

Pictures of drawn character also is not included in criteria which makes you pedophile according to laws, it is perfectly legal in vast majority of the countries. There is only few countries in the world where drawn pictures are illegal.
What if i joke now and i say i am pedophile, but i never would touch or look real children in that way? But alone at my house i would look loli pictures when my family is a sleep. That makes me, in this case a bad person or worse than you? Even if you might do something far worse strange stuff?

One can also like and love cute things in general, that does not make him or her pedophile. I admit that i love stuff like that OP posted, but not at all in sexual way, not at all. But in this West world, if you like cute girls or boys? you are automatically criminal which need to be put on the ground or atleast in the jail

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Yes, they work to cause even more crime. As proven, guns actually lower crime.

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Uhhhhh, this is getting pretty off-topic, but no, guns don't actually lower crime. In fact, the USA has THE highest per-capita prison population on the entire planet, which alone disproves the theory that more guns = less crime.

But guns actually embolden people to do dumb things. Being able to play as cute child-like creatures? Not so much. The analogy fails from its premise.

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Originally Posted by Jin-

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Um...people have gone to jail because they've ordered 18+ visual novel games with Lolis in them. So yes, even looking at pictures of drawn lolis depending on the picture and what country you're in is in fact 100% illegal. And it doesn't matter if it's legal in "most" countries, what matters if it's legal in the regions this game is hosted in. And for most of them, it most certainly is not.

And OP isn't even talking about pedophilia, they just want more cute things in the game! However confusing "loli" with "child" has caused this thread to spiral.

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Just a quick note people. Pedophilia itself is not illegal at all (Maybe in some racist countries like USA). ...

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Pedophilia is not a race and no one is saying loli is illegal. It's just a lot of people aren't comfortable with a "loli" race.

Now please lock this thread. It has gotten to the point where it's just a debate on lolicon. This has nothing to do with Final Fantasy XIV.

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Originally Posted by DreadRabbit

Um...people have gone to jail because they've ordered 18+ visual novel games with Lolis in them. So yes, even looking at pictures of drawn lolis depending on the picture and what country you're in is in fact 100% illegal. And it doesn't matter if it's legal in "most" countries, what matters if it's legal in the regions this game is hosted in. And for most of them, it most certainly is not.

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yes people have gone to jail, largely because the subsection that excludes printed/animated depictions is largely worded horribly. most of the time, someone sees something that looks like a kid, they will say its a kid, and tie it to the real world, when there is no connection at all.

@Fortified, no, i think this is still within the guidelines to be about 14, as both sides are saying why or why not OPs request would or wouldnt be fullfiled(i dont think it would happen). we all just so happen to be using other things to help the debate.

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Originally Posted by DreadRabbit

Um...people have gone to jail because they've ordered 18+ visual novel games with Lolis in them. So yes, even looking at pictures of drawn lolis depending on the picture and what country you're in is in fact 100% illegal. And it doesn't matter if it's legal in "most" countries, what matters if it's legal in the regions this game is hosted in. And for most of them, it most certainly is not.

And OP isn't even talking about pedophilia, they just want more cute things in the game! However confusing "loli" with "child" has caused this thread to spiral.

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They still have the tools to prove that they are innocent (law), i assume you are talking about United States in this case?. And my post was not aimed for OP. It was for those who started the witch hunt on this thread

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Originally Posted by Fortified

Pedophilia is not a race and no one is saying loli is illegal. It's just a lot of people aren't comfortable with a "loli" race.

Now please lock this thread. It has gotten to the point where it's just a debate on lolicon. This has nothing to do with Final Fantasy XIV.

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Then they should not start the witch hunt.
I agree that thread should be closed

This whole thread just amuses me so greatly.

I wonder if any of you people objecting will be playing Blade & Soul, and if so, if you'd be just as obnoxious about this stuff as you are here. I certainly look forward to all the disgusted outbursts when some blowhards see a Lyn in a bikini. "YOU DISGUSTING PEDO" etc., disregarding that the player is just some lady who likes to play cute things and sometimes puts one in a bikini because she thinks they're cute in one. That'll be a riot!

Or maybe you guys will pass up on the game entirely because of the inclusion of the Lyn, which would be hilarious to me because, seriously, it's an excellent game and it'd be just as much the same as passing up on FFXIV entirely because Lalafell are a thing (and I'm sure there are some people who state this as a reason, but I'll laugh at them as much as I'll laugh at people objecting to the Lyn). Depriving yourself of an experience you would greatly enjoy because of some insane moral obsession towards those who enjoy a single benign element is just the height of absurdity.

I'll keep playing characters like this no matter how 'gross' you think it is or how much you're certain I'm 'encouraging pedophilia' by 'welcoming their presence' (lol). And companies are going to continue to create races catering to people like me because we exist, and we're of a surprisingly large number, and you can't stop the tide. Have fun fighting your losing battle. I'm sure that'll get you places.