To expand on this, I've been playing since 1.0 and launch and I am still impressed when I see someone with an Allagan weapon. Will I be less impressed after this patch? A little. It's still going to be difficult, and the full extent of the Echo Buff doesn't hit until 6-8 whole weeks from patch. However, there is a whole new set to be impressed by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Versiroth
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03-25-2014, 12:07 AMClavaat
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03-25-2014, 01:17 AMSynapseNot exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Versiroth
Vertical progression(FFXIV) means the gear are old within 2-3 months... Horizontal progression means, those gears will be useful even if there is new gears available.
FFXIV have it so that you MUST get a new gear every 2-3 months.
Horizontal progression keeps things useful(lot longer than a vertical). Getting a weapon just to get another weapon(in 5-6 days) is kinda bad design.
For example.. a weapon that hits for 2x or have a "enhances internal release" will have it uses even if there is a new generic weapon with higher stats available.
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03-25-2014, 01:20 AMTupsiActually, this is 99% true with Vertical progression only. Horizontal tend to keep BiS gear scattered throughout new and old content to keep said content relevant through the years. Eventually, horizontal progression gear will be outdated but MUCH slower than Vertical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Versiroth
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03-25-2014, 01:33 AMClavaatBut by doing that, you make other gear useless. By that I mean, an item at lvl30 may be better than items at lvl50...but all of the items in between are useless, too. IMO, the higher level item should be the better one.Quote:
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03-25-2014, 01:49 AMAkiva_Ninazu
Someone probably said this already, but the ego behind the OP argument is astounding. It sums up as "I beat the content before the nerf and I don't want anyone else getting through it ever so I can keep using it to lift my e-peen."
If you've cleared it, move to the new stuff. That's what the rest of us will be doing. Someone else clearing it *after* you has absolutely no bearing on what you did, nor will their i90 gear mean *anything* next to the 110/115 stuff the Coil 2.0 player will be sporting.
If anything, I'm looking forward to the BREAK on the new content. With the HMs getting toned down, it will be that much easier to push alts and guildies through the old content. It won't take nearly as much effort and I'll be able to get back to working on the new top-tier stuff.
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03-25-2014, 01:55 AMKiara1
I have waited a long time to try out garuda and titan hm, I decided that I'd try to get some gear from crystal tower and maybe one or two ilvl 90. But now that they're nerfing it I don't really feel like trying it out anymore. What's the point, if we wipe it will just be easier. Feel so bummed out and I am not even sure if I want to play anymore. I think this game is great and I want the progress to be slower so that I won't get bored too quickly, but by nerfing everything they're doing the exact opposite.
It's like "Alright we got new content, screw the old one, new player shouldn't get the same experience as older players so let's just makie it so easy that they can't fail it"
I also read that they're nerfing my favourite dungeon, Pharos Sirius. I loved it cause we wiped so many times but manage to finally beat the bosses by trial and error.
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03-25-2014, 02:06 AMClavaatYou can remove the Echo Buff. If you want it to continue being difficult, you have that option. The progress is getting higher iLVLs. It will still be slow. Even if you leave the Echo Buff on, you will still die to most everything if you're standing in it. The only thing that will be easier is the speed of the fight itself. DPS will have an easier time, and healers as well. Tanking and mechanics of movement are still relevant.Quote:
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03-25-2014, 02:17 AMKiara1I just don't understand the concept. They get new content, which mean the game will live longer. You could take the step from fresh 50 to ilvl 70, and start farming ct for ilvl 80 then the myth gear and theen you get the chance to try the new content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clavaat
But instead they made it so you theoretically could get ilvl 80 (at least some parts) in one day by grinding ct. And try out the new content the same day you hit 50. And then when they've done the new content everyone will get bored and wait for the new content. Instead they could keep it as it is so that it took longer to get to the latest content for new players so they wouldn't get bored too fast.
Sorry if I'm typing in a really messy way and it might not even make any sense! But I'm too tired to figure out a smarter way to get my point out -
03-25-2014, 02:19 AMGormogonWell you're doing the latter obviously. Since you aren't even doing old content regardless if you have the gear for it or not. So your 2 cents are a complaint that you should take up with your own persona.Quote:
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Most people want to do the content but they realize it is not possible when you have to rely on 3-7 people that you can't truly depend on. Which is why the amount of people that can down content is a very small percentage and will only get smaller and smaller for obvious reasons.
Every individual plays for their own reasons there's no point generalizing when you're only questioning up to 5-10 people here at most. -
03-25-2014, 02:26 AMVersirothI bet you still die to Titan HM plenty even after the nerf. It's like some people think these nerfs will mean people can just stand in landslide or WoTL and survive. They're not giving people a win button. If people can't dodge and play their class, they will still be halted at Titan HM.Quote:
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