Please more housing wards soon. And no more FC/Private Hybrid.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Mao uses house constantly. Mao nots do much redecoratings now though because glitchings so hard on Mao. If some day SE brings in XYZ positionings then Mao gonna go CRAZY with redecoratings!

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Well said little Mao! <3

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I'm still in the camp of "if you want a house that badly, move to where they are available". For now, that's the best chance of being able to get a house in NA. Data center travel allows players to continue playing with their friends. I don't see SE opening up more wards when they want players spreading out more to help reduce log-in congestion issues at expansion launch and the first couple of major patch releases.

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Depending on the size of one’s friend group, you could all make a plan and move together. I think, even with DC travel, most people want to be on the same home world with their friends and FCs if they have them, so even if they have to or want to go to a different DC to do certain things, when they’re on their home world they don’t feel so isolated. Admittedly the game could do more to alleviate that, with better CWLS and not losing access to things like retainers, etc. when you go off-world. It’s still unappealing for a lot of people to move to what others call a “dead DC” just for a chance to get a house.

I’m wondering if Cosmic Exploration will help a bit… in a recent interview, it was compared to being like Ishgardian Restoration, in that you’ll be working together with others on your world to progress things. That was before DC travel, but it really helped create a sense of community within your world, something that Dynamis could probably use some help with. I guess it depends on how popular the content is, and whether or not it will be crafter/gatherer only like Restoration or any class like Island Sanctuary, but maybe it’ll give players the incentive to stay on their own worlds more… I remember always seeing the Firm Fates in shout chat! At any rate, maybe it’ll give a little push to make the new servers feel more like “home,” and encourage more people to run content on their home servers so as to not miss out on progressing their world for CE.

Even so, if anyone is still on the fence at this point, and is considering moving, I’d do it now before DT, while we’re in a bit of a lull and auto-demo is opening up houses from player inactivity… I’m still firmly in the camp of “make instanced already, this shouldn’t have to be a thing,” but as others have said, this is what we’ve got right now. I have a plot I’m happy with, so I’m content to wait and see what changes we get to housing in the future. But for those that are still looking, this might be the time to make the move, before it’s too late. Xbox players are already here, they weren’t locked into Dynamis, and they’ll be able to get off free trial and enter the housing market in a couple weeks. As I’ve said before, even Dynamis will eventually suffer from the player to plot ratio being way too low… so if transferring was your last resort, this might be the time.

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Depending on the size of one’s friend group, you could all make a plan and move together. I think, even with DC travel, most people want to be on the same home world with their friends and FCs if they have them, so even if they have to or want to go to a different DC to do certain things, when they’re on their home world they don’t feel so isolated. Admittedly the game could do more to alleviate that, with better CWLS and not losing access to things like retainers, etc. when you go off-world. It’s still unappealing for a lot of people to move to what others call a “dead DC” just for a chance to get a house.

I’m wondering if Cosmic Exploration will help a bit… in a recent interview, it was compared to being like Ishgardian Restoration, in that you’ll be working together with others on your world to progress things. That was before DC travel, but it really helped create a sense of community within your world, something that Dynamis could probably use some help with. I guess it depends on how popular the content is, and whether or not it will be crafter/gatherer only like Restoration or any class like Island Sanctuary, but maybe it’ll give players the incentive to stay on their own worlds more… I remember always seeing the Firm Fates in shout chat! At any rate, maybe it’ll give a little push to make the new servers feel more like “home,” and encourage more people to run content on their home servers so as to not miss out on progressing their world for CE.

Even so, if anyone is still on the fence at this point, and is considering moving, I’d do it now before DT, while we’re in a bit of a lull and auto-demo is opening up houses from player inactivity… I’m still firmly in the camp of “make instanced already, this shouldn’t have to be a thing,” but as others have said, this is what we’ve got right now. I have a plot I’m happy with, so I’m content to wait and see what changes we get to housing in the future. But for those that are still looking, this might be the time to make the move, before it’s too late. Xbox players are already here, they weren’t locked into Dynamis, and they’ll be able to get off free trial and enter the housing market in a couple weeks. As I’ve said before, even Dynamis will eventually suffer from the player to plot ratio being way too low… so if transferring was your last resort, this might be the time.

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Yeah, I know when I transferred I took my wife and one of my best friends with me, and we established our own small FC shortly after that. It's definitely nice to already have a group of people, but if I were alone I probably would've transferred anyway.

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Depending on the size of one’s friend group, you could all make a plan and move together. I think, even with DC travel, most people want to be on the same home world with their friends and FCs if they have them, so even if they have to or want to go to a different DC to do certain things, when they’re on their home world they don’t feel so isolated. Admittedly the game could do more to alleviate that, with better CWLS and not losing access to things like retainers, etc. when you go off-world. It’s still unappealing for a lot of people to move to what others call a “dead DC” just for a chance to get a house.

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While they could, I would imagine most friends groups already have members with houses they're attached to. There's no guarantee they'd be able to get the location if they transfer.

What's needed is a shift in player thinking about data center travel. It's not the terrible experience that some make it sound.

Would it be right for every player? No, but then those players tend to be the ones that focus most on crafting/gathering/marketboard activities or help to run a venue that requires membership in the FC that owns the house.

Consider the following: when you are playing with your friends group, what do you do during that time period?

Are you in instances, where you're cut off from the rest of the game outside of certain chat channels?

Are you talking to your FC, or are you talking to your friends?

Do you frequently stop what you're doing to go check your retainers?

Do you really need to be on your home world to do the things you do with your friends?

For those with no interest in leaving their home worlds, I completely understand. It was something I brought up as a potential issue when data center travel was announced and players started seeing it as a solution for housing. Data center travel has turned out better than I had expected and I use it a lot. I still understand why others don't.

But it is also a choice to prioritize staying on the same world with your friends over getting a house instead of moving to a different world to get a house then using data center travel to play with friends. Instead of complaining about not being able to get a house, focus on the fun you're having with your friends. You still have the ability to get an apartment (assuming you're not on Balmung and Balmung has sold out again) which offers most of the same features as a house.


RE: Cosmic Exploration - that's not going to help the housing issue. If it like Ishgardian Restoration then it will create a problem with the area being limited to home world only unless SE puts a cap on daily rewards that can be earned from progress events.

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I agree with you. Why would you want to move away from all of your friends? Your whole gaming experience built around relationships to enjoy your experience. I wonder how many of these people telling you to move already have the house that they want.

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If your friendships only exist if you live on the same server as them...hate to break it to you but they're not your friends. Actual friendships exist regardless of where you are or what you're playing lol.

Kind of concerned now that a lot of people on 14 are shallow if multiple people are paranoid to leave because of friendship related reasons.
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Side note: I got my house but after moving to a less populated server on Crystal a few months ago. Took one try on a 50/50 chance with a small and I got it my first week there, also scored a medium FC that happened to have low bids at the time more recently. My friends don't care and come visit me regardless and vise versa.

You don't even need Dynamis to get a house tbh, you just need to sacrifice your high standards for something that is more attainable. Now I can just freely bid on mansions until I get one now and there's no stress if I lose...I got my houses at the end of the day. *shrug*

If someone cries shortage because they've spent the last year or two bidding on nothing but mansions and losing (while other houses are still chillin there waiting for bids)...it's not a shortage at that point.

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If your friendships only exist if you live on the same server as them...hate to break it to you but they're not your friends. Actual friendships exist regardless of where you are or what you're playing lol.

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Something I've also tried telling others many times. Social media seems to have distorted what a "friend" is over the years.

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If someone cries shortage because they've spent the last year or two bidding on nothing but mansions and losing (while other houses are still chillin there waiting for bids)...it's not a shortage at that point.

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There is still a shortage but it is not a housing shortage. It is a medium and large shortage.

Again, blame social media. It's taught people to exaggerate and sensationalize situations to get attention from their peer group acquaintances. Unfortunately for them, those with the ability to create change aren't in their peer groups and ignore what they have to say when all they do is exaggerate for effect.

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Something I've also tried telling others many times. Social media seems to have distorted what a "friend" is over the years.


There is still a shortage but it is not a housing shortage. It is a medium and large shortage.

Again, blame social media. It's taught people to exaggerate and sensationalize situations to get attention from their peer group acquaintances. Unfortunately for them, those with the ability to create change aren't in their peer groups and ignore what they have to say when all they do is exaggerate for effect.

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I do agree that social media have absolutely indeed distorted the truth of what a ''REAL FRIEND or FRIENDS'' Is, cause whilest i do have real friends and i know they won't mind me moving, it's more i enjoy being on Mateus.

But it's pretty sad, how the peer preasure of ''Group friends'' Is the new norm. But then also, you have people who have loneliness and depression and being alone, sadly does wreck a lot of things.

*hugs everyone* Don't give up, hope is always there for everyone! <3

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But it's pretty sad, how the peer preasure of ''Group friends'' Is the new norm.

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To be fair, peer pressure has always existed. It's not a new norm.

What's changed is the size of the peer groups now that social media exists. Where peer groups used to be a couple of hundred people within a local community, they can now include thousands or even millions from around the world. It becomes a lot harder to know what to believe.

Hugs back to you. As you say there is always hope that things will change for the better.

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To be fair, peer pressure has always existed. It's not a new norm.

What's changed is the size of the peer groups now that social media exists. Where peer groups used to be a couple of hundred people within a local community, they can now include thousands or even millions from around the world. It becomes a lot harder to know what to believe.

Hugs back to you. As you say there is always hope that things will change for the better.

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Yep! <3 We have to hang in there and just move forward! <3

I can't wait for Tuesday! gonna purchase the new Paper mario on Switch!

Here's hoping for next round! <3

Eh... nothing of intrest this round <.<

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Alternatively, if you just want a housing experience, you can always create an alternative character and you don’t need to move your main

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Agreed. There are right now at this moment 7204 plots on Bismarck on Materia. There are over 400 Large Plots that have been sitting for over a year.

I just need people to remember this when they are upset with multi-house owners lol

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Originally Posted by LuciferNacht

Agreed. There are right now at this moment 7204 plots on Bismarck on Materia. There are over 400 Large Plots that have been sitting for over a year.

I just need people to remember this when they are upset with multi-house owners lol

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Wrong thread buddy.

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Wrong thread buddy.

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Assuming positive intent, in case you don't know how links work, you can click the blue link next to the quote I'm replying to.

That quote is from this thread and I'm replying in this thread! Thanks for the help though!

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Assuming positive intent, in case you don't know how links work, you can click the blue link next to the quote I'm replying to.

That quote is from this thread and I'm replying in this thread! Thanks for the help though!

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Oh ok! my bad! i've stopped well.. looking much cause 90% of the comments i get here, is often negative dribble directed at me for making this Thread.

So i do appologise if i came across rude. not my intention.

But i do wish you a good week and a lovely easter holiday if you celebrate it. <3

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Oh ok! my bad! i've stopped well.. looking much cause 90% of the comments i get here, is often negative dribble directed at me for making this Thread.

So i do appologise if i came across rude. not my intention.

But i do wish you a good week and a lovely easter holiday if you celebrate it. <3

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No problem at all! Hope you get your house!

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Agreed. There are right now at this moment 7204 plots on Bismarck on Materia. There are over 400 Large Plots that have been sitting for over a year.
I just need people to remember this when they are upset with multi-house owners lol

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none of these "thousands of empty houses waiting for you" meme matters because nobody can bid on them right now.

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No problem at all! Hope you get your house!

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Thank you dear! <3

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none of these "thousands of empty houses waiting for you" meme matters because nobody can bid on them right now.

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This is inaccurate, there are thousands of open plots right now. Wards 25-30 being closed have nothing to do with.

Simply go look. There are even tools you can google for easier access to this info.

I literally just got 3 personal larges last round, they were completely uncontested and had been sitting for over a year and that's just on one server.

Congratulations. That seems quite lucky.

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Congratulations. That seems quite lucky.

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No luck needed. Oceanian servers have hundreds of mansions for sale with zero bids. Checking Zurvan server: 206 personal/hybrid mansions available to be bid on right now. Not locked, just unwanted.

There are thousands of houses spread across different servers and data centers that nobody wants and nobody is bidding on but according to some people playing on NA servers, who can't seem to comprehend the rest of the world outside of NA exists, anyone who buys multiple houses on these dead servers is apparently evil and selfish and we need to tear down the whole housing system because they can't win a bid.

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This is inaccurate, there are thousands of open plots right now. Wards 25-30 being closed have nothing to do with.

Simply go look. There are even tools you can google for easier access to this info.

I literally just got 3 personal larges last round, they were completely uncontested and had been sitting for over a year and that's just on one server.

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Real question though, what servers?

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Real question though, what servers?

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It would have to be on some of the Materia worlds. Not even Dynamis has had larges sitting unpurchased for over a year (except in the wards still not open for purchase).

The problem will continue to be supply existing on the lower population worlds that players don't want to be on while the congested worlds have stiff competition over what little does become available each lottery period. It will always be a problem with the ward system if SE continues to give every world the same number of wards. Players might complain about not being able to get a house, but they don't want those houses badly enough to move to the worlds that have houses available.

Housing Mirage will help some if it does get implemented and if it applies to apartments and houses but it still won't satisfy all the reasons that create demand.

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It would have to be on some of the Materia worlds. Not even Dynamis has had larges sitting unpurchased for over a year (except in the wards still not open for purchase).

The problem will continue to be supply existing on the lower population worlds that players don't want to be on while the congested worlds have stiff competition over what little does become available each lottery period. It will always be a problem with the ward system if SE continues to give every world the same number of wards. Players might complain about not being able to get a house, but they don't want those houses badly enough to move to the worlds that have houses available.

Housing Mirage will help some if it does get implemented and if it applies to apartments and houses but it still won't satisfy all the reasons that create demand.

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If the server transfer is free and my ping doesn't suffer, I wouldn't mind at all being on those lower population worlds
I just lost another bid on a small FC house in my current server

I really just want instanced housing at this point or a free server transfer for all of my characters to a less populated server with other house decorating enthusiasts like myself

It would be easier to get people to spread out to less populated servers if they made the Duty Finder and Party Finder regional rather than DC based. I understand that’s a huge undertaking. But if you could stay on your underpopulated home world and still be able to que for duties within a reasonable time, it would be much more appealing. DC travel is great for a lot of people, but a hassle for a lot of others, especially those with limited playtime. You’re cut off from your home world amenities (like retainers, FC buffs, etc.) and CWLS capacity is still lacking for keeping in touch with people and groups in-game. (And I’m not sure, do those even work when you DC travel? I never have so I don’t know! lol)

From a technical standpoint, adding instanced would probably be easier than trying to make all the DCs in a region connect, but they should do one or the other, if they’re really planning on another 10 years. Graphics aren’t the only updates needed to get on level with more recent games. The wards are great, but by themselves will never supply enough plots for those who want them. Even Dynamis will eventually have the same problem. And unfortunately it doesn’t look like they have any plans to add additional wards or a new residential district in Dawntrail. With all the other things they’ve already announced, I think we would’ve heard about it by now.

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If the server transfer is free and my ping doesn't suffer, I wouldn't mind at all being on those lower population worlds
I just lost another bid on a small FC house in my current server

I really just want instanced housing at this point or a free server transfer for all of my characters to a less populated server with other house decorating enthusiasts like myself

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Being on Sargatanas, which is currently classified as a Congested world, you would be eligible to transfer for free to both New worlds and Preferred worlds. If you are in NA, Dynamis data center has New worlds (with thousands of small houses) but there are currently no NA Preferred worlds.

Server status:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/

About the free transfer:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ing/#worldtype

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Transfers to New Worlds from Worlds that are not classified as New: Free
Transfers from Congested Worlds to Preferred Worlds: Free

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Being on Sargatanas, which is currently classified as a Congested world, you would be eligible to transfer for free to both New worlds and Preferred worlds. If you are in NA, Dynamis data center has New worlds (with thousands of small houses) but there are currently no NA Preferred worlds.

Server status:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/

About the free transfer:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ing/#worldtype

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I appreciate you taking the time to find this, Thank you

meow! COOKIES OF HAPPINESS! all of you!

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I appreciate you taking the time to find this, Thank you

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I'll add if you want to stay in NA, avoid Seraph for housing. It's far more populated than the other 3 Dynamis worlds. You should see no difference in ping on Dynamis as all NA logical data centers are at the same physical location.

You may want to use data center travel to visit Dynamis to see exactly what is currently available. The ward designations for the Dynamis and Materia worlds remain different from the other worlds.

Wards 1-9 are FC only.
Wards 10-24 are personal only.
Wards 25-30 are not open for purchase.

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Real question though, what servers?

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Dead ones.

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This is inaccurate, there are thousands of open plots right now. Wards 25-30 being closed have nothing to do with.

Simply go look. There are even tools you can google for easier access to this info.

I literally just got 3 personal larges last round, they were completely uncontested and had been sitting for over a year and that's just on one server.

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So, to be clear, you have 3 different accounts that you got 3 personal larges on? Since you can't have more than one private on any server on any one account.

Out of curiosity, since you can't resell them or have submarines, what's the point? I can understand the logic behind people who multi-own FCs since you can gil farm but I don't get the logic with private houses unless this is just a flex thing.

Its one Private per Server. So you can have at least 81 Privates (28 NA, 32 JP, 16 EU, 5 OCE) per Account. Including FCs you can add additionally 160 (limited by 40 Characters per Region) Houses on top.

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I'll add if you want to stay in NA, avoid Seraph for housing. It's far more populated than the other 3 Dynamis worlds. You should see no difference in ping on Dynamis as all NA logical data centers are at the same physical location.

You may want to use data center travel to visit Dynamis to see exactly what is currently available. The ward designations for the Dynamis and Materia worlds remain different from the other worlds.

Wards 1-9 are FC only.
Wards 10-24 are personal only.
Wards 25-30 are not open for purchase.

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I'd also avoid Halicarnassus; its a house reseller hotspot atm it seems.

That's not going to fix it, supply isn't matching demand. You have DC visitation, if you really want housing that bad you'll transfer to a DC that has available housing.

The ball is in S.E court and they know the limited supply is a boon for them, given the demo timer and scarcity of housing will keep some people perma subscribed.

If they quit over not getting a house, given all the other content, that's just churn, and leaving just means they certain assured they won't see a house now. But who's gonna be upset? That's 1 less person to compete with for buying a house.

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Its one Private per Server. So you can have at least 81 Privates (28 NA, 32 JP, 16 EU, 5 OCE) per Account. Including FCs you can add additionally 160 (limited by 40 Characters per Region) Houses on top.

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Correct.

The person I responded to said they acquired 3 large privates on one server (not DC, unless that's just poor phrasing on their end), therefore they must have 3 different accounts to make that possible unless they've found some magical loophole no one else in the housing community knows about yet.

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So, to be clear, you have 3 different accounts that you got 3 personal larges on? Since you can't have more than one private on any server on any one account.

Out of curiosity, since you can't resell them or have submarines, what's the point? I can understand the logic behind people who multi-own FCs since you can gil farm but I don't get the logic with private houses unless this is just a flex thing.

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Since you asked, I pay for 9 separate service accounts and it's simple:

I enjoy housing. It is my main content, it's sincerely the height of hubris for people to think some of us give a F about them and have these houses to flex to strangers on the internet.

Nope, I've got an empire of well decorated, well used immersive homes that me and my friends can and have enjoyed for over 8 years now.

I noticed a year ago that Bismarck was lacking and decided if they still had it open in a year I would expand there. Now I've got a set of new themed experiences to enjoy with my loved ones and FC mates.


As a note to the salt lords that will be reading this: Housing is fun and amazing and if you guys that are apparently "dying" to get a house refuse to do what that actually takes and get one on these unfilled worlds, then don't be mad at those of us who love housing enough to do it.

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Since you asked, I pay for 9 separate service accounts and it's simple:
I enjoy housing. It is my main content ...

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As an owner of two accounts (as is my spouse) I applaud your insight:

Additional subscriptions to FFXIV costs less than a movie ticket and can provide many more hours of enjoyment than going to a movie.

A lot of the inconveniences in the game, especially related to alts, are substantially mitigated by having even just one additional account. And some activities, such as crafting and gathering, can be done literally twice as fast when you have a second account (and a second real or virtual machine to run it on simultaneously with your other account).

Why just the other day, my spouse and I piled into one of our recently-acquired Regailias and went gathering Indigator and Diadocos mats. It was fun, cruising across Eorzea in the 4-seater convertible, listening to the Regalia's blues music, and getting a ton of mats!

We also own a few houses: it's one reason we transferred to Dynamis.

All that said, with 6 characters currently progressed to End-of-Content, and more on the journey, I may play this game a bit more than most people. :)

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As an owner of two accounts (as is my spouse) I applaud your insight:

Additional subscriptions to FFXIV costs less than a movie ticket and can provide many more hours of enjoyment than going to a movie.

A lot of the inconveniences in the game, especially related to alts, are substantially mitigated by having even just one additional account. And some activities, such as crafting and gathering, can be done literally twice as fast when you have a second account (and a second real or virtual machine to run it on simultaneously with your other account).

Why just the other day, my spouse and I piled into one of our recently-acquired Regailias and went gathering Indigator and Diadocos mats. It was fun, cruising across Eorzea in the 4-seater convertible, listening to the Regalia's blues music, and getting a ton of mats!

We also own a few houses: it's one reason we transferred to Dynamis.

All that said, with 6 characters currently progressed to End-of-Content, and more on the journey, I may play this game a bit more than most people. :)

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Lol, we are absolutely not the norm but its lovely to run into another that GETS IT. I also really enjoy your quote about the additional subscription cost because that was exactly our logic when budgeting in these costs to our annual plan.

I tend to play the same way with my partner. It's a good life. Congrats on your Dynamis homes and I hope you have a lovely time in Dawntrail!

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As a note to the salt lords that will be reading this: Housing is fun and amazing and if you guys that are apparently "dying" to get a house refuse to do what that actually takes and get one on these unfilled worlds, then don't be mad at those of us who love housing enough to do it.

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I have to add my support to this statement. Most of the newer multiple house owners are getting there by purchasing plots on the worlds where they are commonly available. They're not trying to fight for the very limited number of houses available on the congested worlds that have high demand. They're helping to fill what would be otherwise mostly empty wards.

Some of the older multiple house owners did the same at a time when now congested worlds were not congested.

"But times have changed so SE should take away what they fairly earned under the rules at the time of their purchases so I can have my turn" I'm sure some are thinking.

Why should those players have to undergo change by having what they earned taken from them when you are not willing to change yourself? There are plots available yet despite statements that you want a house badly, you're not willing to make the change needed to get one.

Your loss. Multiple house owner gain.

I'd still rather see SE update the system so we can all be multiple house owners without having to compete over limited supply. But unless that happens, more plots will continue to get purchased by those who are willing to change to get them.

Stop complaining about those who were willing to do what was needed to get what they wanted. Stop trying to take things away from them when you have the same opportunity they did but you are unwilling to change to take advantage of it.