New Relic weapon quest - are we down to 1 hour content already?

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Originally Posted by Lium

This thread right here. Perfect example of why most forums suck. I just finished the relic quest and kept thinking how good it was and how the devs continue to deliver quality content.

It took me about five hours or so to finish everything because I never did the Ivalice raids. So I did the entire series in one sitting.

For me this was a great night. Went and knocked out Ivalice which I would normally not do. Then did a truly engaging solo duty to get the relic weapon. And since I literally went from Orbonne Monastery directly to the relic quest, it felt like one big story.

So for all my effort I got relic weapons for the three jobs I have at 80. It was awesome and felt very rewarding for the long night of gaming. And you know what? The queues for the raids were about five minutes, if that, for a DPS, so lots of people were doing them. This tells me that a lot of people were probably happy to get the clear and then be rewarded with a nice weapon at the end of the night.

This truly is a great game and I’m happy to be part of it.

But carry on with your griping.

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Precisely-- my point precisely, well said Lium. The unnecessary griping is almost laughable at this point.

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Originally Posted by Niyuka

It takes about 1 hour to get, provided you have the Poetics ready, 3 relic weapons. Of that 1 hour, the vast majority is watching cutscenes, with just one pretty cool-looking long solo instance - which apparently can even be put on Very Easy so that the moderately cool fights (of which there are only 2) are also semi-AFK wins.

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So much development effort pandering to the vanishingly small minority capable/interested in doing this level of content .. the rest of us don't even get 1 hour's more content.

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Originally Posted by Lium

This thread right here. Perfect example of why most forums suck. I just finished the relic quest and kept thinking how good it was and how the devs continue to deliver quality content.

It took me about five hours or so to finish everything because I never did the Ivalice raids. So I did the entire series in one sitting.

For me this was a great night. Went and knocked out Ivalice which I would normally not do. Then did a truly engaging solo duty to get the relic weapon. And since I literally went from Orbonne Monastery directly to the relic quest, it felt like one big story.

So for all my effort I got relic weapons for the three jobs I have at 80. It was awesome and felt very rewarding for the long night of gaming. And you know what? The queues for the raids were about five minutes, if that, for a DPS, so lots of people were doing them. This tells me that a lot of people were probably happy to get the clear and then be rewarded with a nice weapon at the end of the night.

This truly is a great game and I’m happy to be part of it.

But carry on with your griping.

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I just started the game I spent hours an hours going from ARR to SHB why are you saying the patch is done in one hour?

Glad for you it felt like you had something to do because you never bothered doing Ivalice raids but most people did them every week for a year.

Now that I've actually done it... I really enjoyed it. It's a bit odd the first step is so short, but having done a Zeta weapon and like 90% of an anima weapon, I'm guessing the next steps will probably take more than an hour.

This is nice because it means I'll be able to at least start more than one of these without hating my life and the game after the fact. Got to the second step on a second anima and never bothered even getting the first on more before. These are something to burn the poetics I've been swimming in on at least. :P

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Originally Posted by Lersayil

I can see her logic being that of a drug dealer here. The first hit is "free" (for us), gets us hooked, then the rest comes at a premium... and she knows us too well to think that we won't come back for more.

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Except... She's never needed to do that before and we're still here asking for more.

If anything, she needs to tax us for bringing a crap-load of scrips from the First back to her to buy all her goods without giving her the supply.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

We did get shared fates. Many of the people who claim to prefer Eureka still haven't finished those even though they offer similar rewards and gameplay as Anemos.

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One of the things about this is typically, people liked the idea of Eureka as a place to casually grind in (Despite it being called "Challenging content" by the devs), with lots of stuff to obtain by punching enemies a bunch.

While the reality of Eureka which is tedious FATE grinding via mass AoEing a bunch of non-threatening, often low level enemies for 30 minutes to spawn them, is not particularly fun.

Hence why Shared FATEs, being more boring FATE grinding, is not so appealing.

If Eureka was instead more focused on rewarding you for killing enemies on par with your level, while getting bonuses from chains, with simply FATEs spawning on timers independent of mob kills to provide a break from the monotony of grinding enemies, it would probably have been a much bigger success and that kind of gameplay could continue on throughout expansions as a nice casual grind for people to do.

But no... Mobs were unrewarding andFATEs were tied to killing specific enemies so it all become simply a giant FATE Train of boredom...

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Originally Posted by Kalise

If Eureka was instead more focused on rewarding you for killing enemies on par with your level, while getting bonuses from chains, with simply FATEs spawning on timers independent of mob kills to provide a break from the monotony of grinding enemies, it would probably have been a much bigger success and that kind of gameplay could continue on throughout expansions as a nice casual grind for people to do.

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You kinda described Pagos light farm. Might be an issue with execution, but I can attest: it wasn't that much fun.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

But paying a sub to play other games and be like cool I can play other games is meh too.

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That's why I play this game in addition to other games. :D
I just don't fret if there is too little to do that is fun in order to keep me loggin in daily.

Activity in MMOs is cyclical. There are times when you no-life them and there are times in when you go on vacation.
After all, Kitty needs rest too, right?

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Now that I've actually done it... I really enjoyed it. It's a bit odd the first step is so short, but having done a Zeta weapon and like 90% of an anima weapon, I'm guessing the next steps will probably take more than an hour.

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They already warned people about the effort required in the patch notes. They knew the first stage was quick (a lengthy grind for a weapon that is at best equal to the tome weapon everyone already has wouldn't have made sense) and they wanted to make it clear that the following steps will be a lot more ... workful. ... eventful? ... grindful!

I just made these up.

That being said: I thought that the first step was awesome. Very fun indeed.

look its great that some people enjoy it
but the point of the forums is feed back and people need to complain or question Devs decision so going "ugh complainers" isn't really doing anything.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

That's why I play this game in addition to other games. :D
I just don't fret if there is too little to do that is fun in order to keep me loggin in daily.

Activity in MMOs is cyclical. There are times when you no-life them and there are times in when you go on vacation.
After all, Kitty needs rest too, right?

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Define no-life. Last time I could no-life FF in any meaningful way was back in Eureka / HoH. Thats one pretty damn long vacation...

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

This is where I never cease to be astounded by how players like you continue to swiftly rush through the tale without really absorbing what is being laid out before them. I surmise you have completed the quest, thus you may open the minor spoilers below:

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Or perhaps, I simply didn't find it nearly as engaging as you did? Accusing people off rushing through simply because that didn't find the story as compelling denotes bias. But to answer your points:

• Yes. In fact, I had been curious when Noah would make a return and like how they wove it into the greater narrative
• While I know the references, FFXII is among my least favourite FF titles. I've been meaning to give it another shot since Zodiac released but yeah, I just didn't enjoy it way back when.
  
  The rest more or less boil down to me repeating myself. Yes, I grasped their significance. Some were interesting while others were not. You seemed to be captivated by the whole experience whereas I was bored until Cid became the focus. Once again, that doesn't mean I rushed through it. I simply didn't enjoy it the same way you did.

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

I was able to absorb all that by just taking my main charcater through the quest-- I might learn even more when I take my second main charcater through sometime tomorrow. Heck, I might even pick up some more hidden nuances while I take my current third character on Diabolos through Stormblood.

Slow reader you say? I'm a very prolific reader-- when I need to do my speed reading I easily notch around 500 to 600 words per minute. When I need to speed read with retention, I slow down to about almost 350 to 400 per minute and I do it with a 85% to 90% retention-- it's one of the reasons I excelled at both my Masters degrees.

By the way-- regarding your question "prepare how?" -- I'm now almost convinced you were not around for the insanely mad relic grinds of ARR's Atma, Heavensward's Anima, and Stormblood's Eureka. Players who truly went through those times understand exactly what I mean by mentally preparing for the grind ahead.

Now head back in-game and go try to figure out all the additional lore I just mentioned above.

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Good for you I guess? Reading slower wouldn't have made the parts I found dull more compelling. You're letting your bias show.

And while no, I wasn't playing throughout ARR. I started my first (of several) Heavensward relic during the beloved Unidentified Step prior to any nerfs and made four Stormblood relics. There was no "mental preparation" necessary beyond "lets grind A1S for five hours straight." But I also don't approach games with that sort of mindset. I set a goal and do it. Likewise, it certainly isn't something I "prepare" for months in advance.

How about I didn't find them all that interesting? At least not as much as you did. Shocking, I know. Regardless, the complaint people have isn't the story but how quickly the content dries up, especially when it took ten months to finally get a relic step. If this had released in 5.15, you wouldn't see nearly as many complaints.