About Esuna, Exalted Detriment and Leeches change

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Originally Posted by alex1902

Swiftcast : in dungeons and raids, no reasons to not have that. A dead party member is a huge DPS loss if it takes 7 secs to raise him.

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This one kind of got me, too. Why keep SC in cross role when they could just make our freaking raise not take forever? There is no reason for it to take that long.

Dying has to have some downside, so I guess they decided making it take forever to raise + weakness was that answer.

That RDM raise is amazing, but I can't see it lasting in the game. They'll probably change it so their instants don't affect raise.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Dying has to have some downside, so I guess they decided making it take forever to raise + weakness was that answer.

That RDM raise is amazing, but I can't see it lasting in the game. They'll probably change it so their instants don't affect raise.

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Raise costs a ton of mana, no matter the class. Double instant res will be handy, but your resources are going to be utterly ruined.

How "good" it'll be will come down to RDM's mana economy.

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Originally Posted by Ootarion

You must not know, they are planning to remove Cleansers and MP Regens from Healers, by which I am directly refering to Esuna, Exalted Detriment and Leeches for the Cleansers and Shroud of Saints and Luminiferous Aether.

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SCH = Aetherflow, WHM + Asize, AST = Ewer are the skills the healers each have built in for MP regen in SB. That's what I meant. Lucid Dreaming is available to all healers as an additional MP regen tool, which seems fine to me.

WHM also has Thin Air, which isn't MP regen, but is still zero cost and a very powerful tool.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

WHM also has Thin Air, which isn't MP regen, but is still zero cost and a very powerful tool.

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A mana saved is a mana earned.

adapted from "A penny saved is a penny earned."

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

This one kind of got me, too. Why keep SC in cross role when they could just make our freaking raise not take forever? There is no reason for it to take that long.

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Swiftcast has a lot more utility than just raise, at least in raiding. Being able to instant-cast medica or helios while running has long been a favored technique, as has the double-Holy/Gravity burst. SMN/SCH used to use it for Shadowflare as well, though... I guess not anymore.

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Originally Posted by Furious

They could very easily progress the class into the job from a story point of view while removing the mechanical aspects of it (soul, etc). The only one that would be a problem really is arcanist.

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This is what I meant Maku. I realize they were not removed from AST, MCH and DRK because they didnt have Pre Jobs, but that was the point I was making.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

SCH = Aetherflow, WHM + Asize, AST = Ewer are the skills the healers each have built in for MP regen in SB. That's what I meant. Lucid Dreaming is available to all healers as an additional MP regen tool, which seems fine to me.

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As I told you, they are removing Cleansers and MP Regens from the core kits of the Healers, Lucid Dreaming is the Cross Role replacement for the MP Regens being ripped from the Healers with the exception of White Mage Assize and Aetherflow of SCH.

Addendum: What I mean by MP Regens being ripped away are the WHMs Shroud of Saints, Astrologians Luminiferous Aether, SCH didnt have a move like these but had Aetherflow and Energy Drain which are powerful MP regens on their own. Astrologian's Ewer card, while an MP Regen effect, I am not counting as it is a Randomly Drawn card that is part of the 6 Card system for ASTs

The problem with taking away Shroud of Saints from WHM and Luminiferous Aether from ASTs and throwing it into Cross Role as Lucid Dreaming is this needlessly took away a built in MP Regen from both classes, which didnt need to be done just to give SCH another MP regen when they already had 2 but if they needed another one, all they had to do was just add one to SCH as well.

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Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

Swiftcast has a lot more utility than just raise, at least in raiding. Being able to instant-cast medica or helios while running has long been a favored technique, as has the double-Holy/Gravity burst. SMN/SCH used to use it for Shadowflare as well, though... I guess not anymore.

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As I'm fond of saying, Swiftcast is not for raise.

In raid progression I might reserve it at certain points to help recover if something goes wrong (assuming it's not one of those scenarios where any death guarantees failure).

In other content, if a party member dies...well, they can wait the extra few seconds for a hard-cast if I don't happen to have SC handy, or they can go bye-Felicia stage left and poof back. People die infrequently enough that it's not really an issue.