Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

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Originally Posted by Paah

Well the did end up using that argument just now..

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"I pay my subscription fee. The tank, the healer and the other DPS don't pay it for me"...

There, corrected it for you.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Depends. Flip the coin round OP said they don't have much time. How do you know the other 3 people are not casuals and that don't have enough time either.

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One of the 3 people was a MENTOR. Hence, not a casual. QED.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

One of the 3 people was a MENTOR. Hence, not a casual. QED.

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The requirements of becoming a mentor are so low, that you can easly play casually and still reach them... hence why people are creating threads about how that has to change

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

One of the 3 people was a MENTOR. Hence, not a casual. QED.

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Just because someone is a mentor it doesn't mean they are not a casual. They could of hit those requirements a very long time ago and now only play a few hours a week.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

The requirements of becoming a mentor are so low, that you can easly play casually and still reach them... hence why people are creating threads about how that has to change

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I don't know what anyone else's NN is like, but as a recently returned player, the types of questions I saw getting asked aren't ones you need to be a hardcore player to answer. Being casual is probably perfectly fine 90% of the time because people mostly ask stuff like what this hunt mob is or how to do this in the UI or how they get access to such and such dungeon. They're generally not asking about endgame or precise theorycrafting for whatever class. I hadn't played in over a year at the time I returned and I was able to answer a great many questions, despite needing to ask a lot of questions myself to figure out what all I needed to do to catch up. I think the actual problem with the requirements isn't that they're too easy, but rather that they're too narrow. The game is a lot more than just instanced content and the questions asked are rather broad in terms of what they cover. I'd actually suggest reducing the number of instances required and adding achievements related to other types of content, like fates or the hunt.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I think the actual problem with the requirements isn't that they're too easy, but rather that they're too narrow. The game is a lot more than just instanced content and the questions asked are rather broad in terms of what they cover. I'd actually suggest reducing the number of instances required and adding achievements related to other types of content

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Oh yeah, I know - and I would argue that the mentor system needs to be changed though, to make sure that someone being a mentor is actually qualified to give advice and be helpful. Right not the system is flawed though - I only wanted to point that, other than suggested by DPZ2, you dont have to be a hardcore player to become a mentor. So my argument was basically: "You can become a mentor without being a hardcore player" not "You should be a hardcore player to become a mentor".
But thats actually a different discussion that might belong in one of the "change the mentor system" threads :)

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Originally Posted by Pure3ify

Okay. Where to begin with this one..i am dungeon grinding for gear...I understand I do not have all my cross class abilities but I FULLY understand how to use what I do have, which is songs in cases when needed, Iron Jaws to keep DOTs going and Barrage with Emphy Arrow..etc. I also watch guides so I know placing and what mechanics are going to be used. I am never "dead" weight as you are making me out to be. Being a casual player and limited time on my hands I am playing the game the way I want to play it. I meet the minimal requirements for a dungeon or trial then based on that I am able to complete the current Duty with whatever I have equipped. I am still a new player since when you looked you should of noticed i had only 1 character at lvl 60 and within my first 2 months of playing. So dont patronize me on my duties. I may only have 1 class but i do it as well as i can with what i got. Good day Sir!

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If you have at least min ilvl and you can "play your class well", then DPS shouldn't be low.

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Originally Posted by Pure3ify

This is gold. Okay, so how would you expect a casual player who has 2-3 hours maybe a day to play to find enough time to cater to everyones "time"? I pay my subscription fee not the tank or the healer or the other DPS in the party. I am not even through my 2nd month into the game so yes, im sorry I dont have every gear piece and accesory and character lvl 60 or upgraded to the 3.4 content. Im sorry if that makes your dungeon run last longer. I should have thought about your time before entering the dungeon. This isnt rocket science. Im not dating you. Why make it so complicated? If a dungeon unlocked for me and i met the gear lvl requirements why am i at fault?

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You're a casual who plays 2 hours a day? You're level 60? LOL OK SURE

That's not casual..... 60 in 2 months is way WAY more than 2 hours a day. Maybe you should stop bum rushing story and take some time to work on your CC, Your Gear and other things.... That's what most people do and did at 50/60. I took the time to get my CC way before I got to cap in 2.0 because I knew I would need it.

You're just lazy and expect other people to put up with your BS. I pay my sub too. Respect my time.

I've never kicked low DPS in a dungeon and I've put up with some pretty bad DPS in Dungeons... Your self entitlement is disgusting OP.

Also if you "know" your job your DPS wont be low. Maybe you don't know your job. Make friends with a striking dummy and a Bard Guide for your 2 hours tonight instead of torturing unsuspecting strangers in DF

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Oh yeah, I know - and I would argue that the mentor system needs to be changed though, to make sure that someone being a mentor is actually qualified to give advice and be helpful. Right not the system is flawed though - I only wanted to point that, other than suggested by DPZ2, you dont have to be a hardcore player to become a mentor. So my argument was basically: "You can become a mentor without being a hardcore player" not "You should be a hardcore player to become a mentor".
But thats actually a different discussion that might belong in one of the "change the mentor system" threads :)

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Ah, I see. But yes, you're probably right that it's better left to another thread. :)

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

I'd run with if a meet up time could be worked out. Can run as a tank, healer or DPS, but I'm most confident in the healer role.

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Originally Posted by Freerider

Same as far as running as anything.

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Ok, so two other people are willing to PF it up with the OP to help them learn rotations and gear up. Now all we need is a reply from the OP and perhaps we can work something out.