Strength Tanks

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

All supposable PLD tanks need to read my troll thread against vit tanks. Yep troll thread cause the PLD's I am targeting do mass pulls but fail to tank do their job. War and Drk don't have this issue.

I am sick of PLD's saying don't aoe on a mass pull they do. like how else should you deal with a pull 20+ single target like the pld wants? Then pull one small group at a time....

No other tanks seem to have problems holding hate like the PLD does and yet plds and all other tanks refuse to speak up as it secures the Drk mt War ot position the two tank slots need in a 8 person group.

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You've had PLDs say NOT to aoe? And I thought I've had it bad in df. Good grief Charlie Brown.

...and good grief at this thread.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

You've had PLDs say NOT to aoe? And I thought I've had it bad in df. Good grief Charlie Brown.

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Remember those tanks in low level stuff who wouldn't AOE and the healer would pull off them the second they healed?

Think they might've finally made it to end game.

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Originally Posted by Melian

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I agree. Every time I tank in either Sword Oath or with STR rings. I come close to death. Heals start complaining that I'm in the wrong stance. In a static I think going alL STR is good, but in PF, or similar. Safe if better....

lol at the plds who fail to flash multiple times as they think threat don't scale that appears in all of my tank threads.

the other tanks agree it don't scale with str too cause the other tanks don't need flash.

and any idiot who doesn't have a 60 pld cannot speak for the fact they pull the least enmity out of the 3 tanks so any tank that goes vit gear I like to avoid,
why ? cause I'm a dps who likes to maximize my dps and the tank always a pld fails to control mobs like the tank class is suppose to.

part at fault is the eng community but if I don't see the pld flash 2x after first scorn they need to git gud if they pull the common 6+ packs. enmity wise the DRK and WAR never lose hate cause they are the better made tanks to replace the silly pld. as pld gear vit risk failing to tank and blame a dps or healer for stealing what your meant to be controlling as you are meant to be a tank.

one mob close to dead doesn't matter if you lose it but when you lose 4+ mobs in a big pull to one person is an issue to a tank that tanks need to look at maintaining agro.

fun fact a mnk starts fighting at around 33% less dps btw till they get 3 stacks or greased lightning that is approximately 17-20 seconds unless opens with perfect balance then its like only 3 secs but a good mnk never opens with that for obvious reasons and a MNK has no threat dumping skills let alone cross class dumping skills. so when a mnk reaches orange enmity of the 5 mobs on list your meant to throttle but if you have to drop gl3 to allow the tank to hold hate that's just stupid. as eng people kick low dps and afkers for failing to dps and mnk is one of main punished classes and don't even mention DRGS BOTD why cause that's not the same dps loss a monk loses when dropping out of gl3.

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Originally Posted by Aniond

I agree. Every time I tank in either Sword Oath or with STR rings. I come close to death. Heals start complaining that I'm in the wrong stance. In a static I think going alL STR is good, but in PF, or similar. Safe if better....

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Coming close to death in STR accessories or out of tank stance means one (or both) of the following:
You're not using CDs properly.
The healer is expecting to afk through the content and let the faery do all the healing while they watch anime.

Also, Valkyrie, any PLD that doesn't Flash multiple times on a pull isn't going to use Unleash, Overpower, Dark Passenger, or Steel Cyclone, either. It's almost as if bad players have nothing to do with the job they choose.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie Amber

All supposable PLD tanks need to read my troll thread against vit tanks. Yep troll thread cause the PLD's I am targeting do mass pulls but fail to tank do their job.

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I appreciate you admitting this a lot, actually.

You're right, paladin does have much less of an aoe enmity "buffer" than other tanks. If the tank is simply being bad (and I'm quite willing to believe you've had several of those in DF), then yeah, they might not keep hate. And that's terrible. Fair enough. I think the majority of players like that aren't going to be looking at forums about their jobs much though, so I expect whatever message you had isn't going to get across very well to whoever needs it. ... although at least one person learned how flash works in that thread, so I guess it wasn't a total loss.

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Originally Posted by fm_fenrir

The healer is expecting to afk through the content and let the faery do all the healing while they watch anime.

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This happens though. For real. Just like (apparently) there are paladins that don't want people to aoe after pulls.... Don't ask me why there are people like this, but it's a thing.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

and any idiot who doesn't have a 60 pld cannot speak for the fact they pull the least enmity out of the 3 tanks so any tank that goes vit gear I like to avoid,
why ? cause I'm a dps who likes to maximize my dps and the tank always a pld fails to control mobs like the tank class is suppose to.

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I'm pure VIT. I usually have no issues.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie-Amber

one mob close to dead doesn't matter if you lose it but when you lose 4+ mobs in a big pull to one person is an issue to a tank that tanks need to look at maintaining agro.

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One day, a BLM apparently popped Raging Stikes and charged whatever ability he was charging. I didn't notice until AFTER my Shield Lob. Plan was to Lob, run to next group, then do what I do for control. Sadly, whatever the BLM did after my Shield Lob caused the other two mobs to run at him after I had already ran forward to snatch the others. That said, it is NOT always the tank fault even if he is or isn't in STR gear.

On a separate note, I saw a group for Thordan Ex who needed one more tank. He had GLD and PLD locked out. His PF iLv was for 195. I asked if my iLv201 PLD can join, and he said, "plds suck git gud bro". I still have it screen captured. They never filled after re-uping the PF three more times due to PF timer.

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

You spec full Vit and pull with voke? Do you just never run 8 man content? I guarantee I'd end up ripping hate and being MT (since you couldn't voke back) as OT before I even realized what happened.

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Voke has 25y good pull, but do you really think you can out threat me after Scorn/Shield lob/ Spirits then finish off my Halone? I do get 2 off set CDS that don't connect with my Halone combo CD, I also do have Flash... Seriously. LEARN YOUR THREAT GENERATION!. -___- Then theres my Def Abilities that generate more Threat point actions... unless you don't know that any ability generates a threat point?....

P.S. Make it happen, don't just say it. Talk is cheap.

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Originally Posted by Enesuia

Voke has 25y good pull, but do you really think you can out threat me after Scorn/Shield lob/ Spirits then finish off my Halone? I do get 2 off set CDS that don't connect with my Halone combo CD, I also do have Flash... Seriously. LEARN YOUR THREAT GENERATION!. -___- Then theres my Def Abilities that generate more Threat point actions... unless you don't know that any ability generates a threat point?....

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It's more that if you need provoke immediately after (read: Berserk WAR spamming Butcher's for hot deeps), you're going to be very sad because you can't. Provoke is for tank swaps and recovering from a burst DPS peeling away from you, not for pulling.

provoke is not a enmity skill, it's a skill to recover aggro from someone else, pull with provoke is useless and will not provide more enemity