Dark Knight Megathread

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Yes, because it's not like being ignored is making any of us feel any better, now is it? Just a simple potency increase would make us feel better and give us hope for 6.1. Which btw, could be at the end of Feb or beginning of March. Instead, we're being told by the lack of changes that DRK is fine, when we all know it isn't.

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I'm not saying "it's fine," I'm saying nothing they could have done for 6.08 would have satisfied anyway, and that even with the foreknowledge of "just numbers", a lot of people were getting their hopes up for nothing.
Especially with how little discussion was made prior to exactly now that was just number changes they could have made.

This is the first I'm hearing someone blaming Souleater for DRK's poor survival on wall-to-walls.

If 6.1 drops and there's zilch for DRK still, or nothing that couldn't have been in a numbers pass and thus screwed us unnecessarily for a month, fine. But I fully expect they're looking at DRK on the whole for 6.1 and saving adjustments that might screw up their plans for a rework (or would need to be reverted when it dropped anyway) until they have their ducks in a row.
Does that still screw us over until end of February or beginning of March? Yes. Am I steaming about this fact? I already was before. But I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

But I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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WHY?

I agree that we were never going to see anything meaningful this patch. But I don't have any hopes for 6.1 either, because I'm literally just setting myself up to be disappointed. They haven't done a single mid-expansion patch for DRK that was turned out in our favor since 4.3. Why would that change now, because we're slightly angrier this time about LD and BW?

They can't be trusted. I'll believe it when I see it, and not a moment sooner.

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Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei

WHY?

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... Because what other recourse do we have?

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They haven't done a single mid-expansion patch for DRK that was turned out in our favor since 4.3

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

They could have done something. Chose not to. Just like they have for 6 years. It'll be 7 years soon. Holy shit.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Naive fool. DRKs have been doing this for 6 years?

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No, really, this is the problem. I'm refusing the mindset of choosing to believe "Job I Play is the devs' whipping boy", taking every opportunity they aren't looking directly at us personally, and piling it on to a list of bereavements. That just leads to grudges against the devs, which doesn't make for objective feedback they can use, only lambasting they wouldn't want to listen to anyway. If anything, it's a form of self-harm.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

But I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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Naive fool. DRKs have been doing this for 6 years? What makes you think anything will change after they've gutted the job and given 60% of their kit to other Tanks, removed Parry, can't be bothered to address BW and LD in any shape or form and have a perpetual raging boner for TBN. The devs are trying so hard to make it fluctuate between being a PLD and a Warrior that there is no identity left.

Best tank tho. Does the most damage. Masochism is your class identity at this point. Too much focus on 15 seconds of oGCD ham with no flow whatsoever.

ShB killed the job and EW killed it even more.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

... Because what other recourse do we have?

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To actually delete our gearsets and never touch DRK again until they actually change it. Keep in mind the JP playerbase for DRK has a lot of the same complaints we do, and probably have had them for the same amount of time we have. They've been ignoring the DRK playerbase for years now, so why the hell should we give them the benefit of the doubt? We saw the massacre of DRK going from HW to SB, we saw how they've treated MNK and SCH for years, we've seen how they take everything good DRK had originally and thrown it onto newer jobs. We have no reason to give them any such thing. Just like respect, they have to EARN the benefit of the doubt.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Naive fool. DRKs have been doing this for 6 years? What makes you think anything will change after they've gutted the job and given 60% of their kit to other Tanks, removed Parry, can't be bothered to address BW and LD in any shape or form and have a perpetual raging boner for TBN. The devs are trying so hard to make it fluctuate between being a PLD and a Warrior that there is no identity left.

Best tank tho. Does the most damage. Masochism is your class identity at this point. Too much focus on 15 seconds of oGCD ham with no flow whatsoever.

ShB killed the job and EW killed it even more.

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I remembered when people complained so hard about SB DRK only for the devs to straight copy and paste PLD and WAR onto DRK. Rip Dark Arts and since they've said that they won't be going back to HW design DRK will continue to be this way.

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Originally Posted by elioaiko

I remembered when people complained so hard about SB DRK only for the devs to straight copy and paste PLD and WAR onto DRK. Rip Dark Arts and since they've said that they won't be going back to HW design DRK will continue to be this way.

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Yet they were perfectly fine with giving Sage Dark Arts in the form of Eukrasia.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

To actually delete our gearsets and never touch DRK again until they actually change it.

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Okay.

Then put your money where your mouth is, buckaroo.

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We saw the massacre of DRK going from HW to SB, we saw how they've treated MNK and SCH for years, we've seen how they take everything good DRK had originally and thrown it onto newer jobs. We have no reason to give them any such thing.

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... do you understand how toxic this would be in any other context? Keeping a list of grievances dating back years and claiming they hate you for it, despite the fact that they can't change the past and you wouldn't clear that list if DRK was in a good spot like it was most of last expansion, and just pulling it out any time you don't get your way? The insinuation of their incompetence despite still forking out money for them?

Like, go ahead and be disappointed, but there's a certain limit to what's healthy before I have to wonder why you're still here if you have so much pent up anger about it and venom towards the devs.

Because right now I'm hearing a lot of hyperbole and rage over not getting something they never said or promised we were getting. Kinda feels like a hair-trigger.

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Originally Posted by elioaiko

I remembered when people complained so hard about SB DRK only for the devs to straight copy and paste PLD and WAR onto DRK. Rip Dark Arts and since they've said that they won't be going back to HW design DRK will continue to be this way.

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Here lies Dark Knight.

June 23rd 2015 - June 20, 2017

Gone. Too. Soon.

They will rename the job to Rune Fencer eventually.

Such a shame.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Okay.
Like, go ahead and be disappointed, but there's a certain limit to what's healthy before I have to wonder why you're still here if you have so much pent up anger about it and venom towards the devs.

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Is it healthy if you are optimistic for changes towards a job class that's been kicked in the face over and over again and you are still willing to hope for change? No better then dangling a carrot in front of a horse to keep it trodding along.

Edit: Wasn't going to mention Eukrasia but Eukrasia is literally Dark Arts yeah. Enjoyable even.

And reaper just gets to give everything a "Dark Arts Heavy Thrust debuff" to boost the potency of any attack for free. Forever at no cost. Feels good.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Is it healthy if you are optimistic for changes towards a job class that's been kicked in the face over and over again and you are still willing to hope for change?

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It is that I'm not taking it personally and claiming they've "kicked us in the face over and over again", trying to make an argument that they owe us by comparing their actions to abuse?

It's not about "optimism" versus realism, because you've already gone past what is realistic.