Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

So I ran "The Praetorium" the only day. Once the duty started, (everyone has loaded and everything) I noticed no one was moving for a few seconds so I (PLD) start running off. Once I died from a Sac pull and returned, I noticed the other tank (WAR) still there. I scroll back just to make sure if he said anything and nope, nothing. Once I get to the first boss, I noticed the WAR there. We kill the boss and move on. When to get to the Magitek Mount bit, again I noticed his name, unhighlighted. At that point, I told the party to kick the WAR cuz he wasn't doing jack. I found it funny that he try to get by, thinking that we wouldn't know he wasn't with the group.

Was on my Ast and Just had a tank in the Aery lvl 55 Drk who Tanked nidhogg on top of Estinien and refused to move him and kept cleaving him with breath almost wiping us x-x

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Originally Posted by vp_cmc

As far as I remember, you can't progress in main story (an unlock sastasha) until you finish a quest, that forces you to have level 5 gear for most of your left side. So this was probably just troll?

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Unless something else changed, you can't get Rogue until you get something else to 10 anyways, so it would be entirely possible to go, say...Full tank gear, and have nothing a Rogue can equip.

Suppoesedly healers get yelled at by tanks for doing damage? All I do in DF is tank and I never once encountered anything like that. Nobody dying is a victory man.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

So I ran "The Praetorium" the only day. Once the duty started, (everyone has loaded and everything) I noticed no one was moving for a few seconds so I (PLD) start running off. Once I died from a Sac pull and returned, I noticed the other tank (WAR) still there. I scroll back just to make sure if he said anything and nope, nothing. Once I get to the first boss, I noticed the WAR there. We kill the boss and move on. When to get to the Magitek Mount bit, again I noticed his name, unhighlighted. At that point, I told the party to kick the WAR cuz he wasn't doing jack. I found it funny that he try to get by, thinking that we wouldn't know he wasn't with the group.

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Honestly, all he would have needed to do was follow you and pretend to be useful by hitting things and he probably wouldn't have been kicked. It takes no effort at all. The silliness of people who wait at the start baffles me.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Unless something else changed, you can't get Rogue until you get something else to 10 anyways, so it would be entirely possible to go, say...Full tank gear, and have nothing a Rogue can equip.

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Until level 15, tank gear is the same as rogue gear.

One from earlier...

So I'm levelling DRG, currently at 57, queued up for The Vault. After 30+ minutes, it finally pops! Party composed of PLD, WHM, BLM and myself.

I say "Hello!" at the beginning and get no reply - but oh well, some people don't like being social so that's fair enough.

We get to the first pack of enemies, and the PLD decides he only wants to focus on tanking one enemy, tosses a Flash at the start but as BLM and myself are using AOE, we end up tanking too. This happens for every trash pack throughout the dungeon...

But I just grin and bear it. Healer was coping well enough anyway... We get past the first boss, no real issues.

Get up to the 2nd boss and that's where the real "fun" begins. >_>

Every single Faith Unmoving, the PLD is getting knocked into the rifts and gaining more and more vulnerability debuff... he ends up with 8 stacks before the healer just couldn't keep him up anymore despite his best efforts. BLM died twice during this too.
So the inevitable wipe happens.

After the wipe, I ask "so... you guys know the strategy for this guy?". No reply for a good minute or so, then the PLD just says "yup." So I figured they just needed a reminder, first wipe being said reminder, no big deal!

We go straight into round 2, and the same thing happens... PLD is constantly getting knocked back into the vulnerability debuff, BLM dies, healer is trying desperately to keep the fight going, I'm hitting my buttons like a madman trying to pump out enough DPS to get him down.

Nope, wipe again. Healer leaves. PLD just says "wtf". Clearly him and the BLM didn't know the strategy... despite him saying otherwise... if you don't know, just say, no one will attack you for it! :/

I leave too, in a grumpy mood... cursing my insanely long queues and bad luck...

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Originally Posted by Pells

Until level 15, tank gear is the same as rogue gear.

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Negative.

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I've been noticing that its more and more common while leveling 50+ for tanks to not pop any cooldowns what-so-ever but love to try and mass pull. As a healer, you can only do so much.

This just happened a bit ago, but it's definitely not the first time...
Queue sastasha in progress as healer. GLD is new, only uses Riot Blade, skill that replenishes MP, instead of Savage Blade, skill that increases enmity. Also, he hardly ever uses flash. I try to explain to him what skills to use, and what the role of a tank is. Never get any response, he just keeps doing his own thing. What's the deal with "new" players just straight up ignoring others in dungeons and continuing to play wrong? This happens every other time i get a low level dungeon. Do they not speak english, are they trolls, or what? It gets really annoying sometimes.

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Originally Posted by whoopdeedew

What's the deal with "new" players just straight up ignoring others in dungeons and continuing to play wrong? This happens every other time i get a low level dungeon. Do they not speak english, are they trolls, or what? It gets really annoying sometimes.

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Only happened to me a couple of times, but in those situations I asked them if they're a bot. If they still don't reply anything, I've kicked them. Once someone replied their English isn't good, in which case I just tried to use simpler words and phrases and we got through rest of the dungeon ok.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

I've been noticing that its more and more common while leveling 50+ for tanks to not pop any cooldowns what-so-ever but love to try and mass pull. As a healer, you can only do so much.

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Been seening this for awile now. Two of the last three daily ex have been like this. Where the dps is incredibly slow, but the tank mass pulls anyway, and I am left spamming cures just to keep him alive, all the way down to oom. At least the last one popped HG once after he facepulled way too much and I got slow on me. But that was tbe only CD I noticed the whole run.

Ran Haukke HM on my WHM with a ninja friend, a paladin and a dragoon. The tank pulled big and ran like mad - big pulls aren't a big deal for me, but please wait for Protect at least ._. Well, he did know his job well enough to not get that much damage, so I could just cast regen and then spam Holy. Everything's fine.

During the last trash packs before the final boss, I spammed Holy as well and used my MP regen. When we reached the final boss I was at ca. 30% MP, no problem, this tank is intelligent enough to wait for my MP before he pulls... oh, he pulled. And my friend wanted to watch the cutscene and thus got locked out. So, here we were, a paladin completely ignoring all adds, a dragoon using his atma weapon, a locked out ninja and myself, a white mage trying everything in his power to keep everyone alive while compensating the lack of one dps in a fight with dps checks without running out of mana while MP regen is on cooldown. Yeah. The fight was so slow and we were so close to wipe, but holy shit, we managed to beat the boss and for a minute or so I felt like the best healer in the world :D

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Originally Posted by Fluestergras

a dragoon using his atma weapon

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My guess would be he's trying to work on a relic and was doing it for a book ^^; And normally it'd be fine, but I understand the frustration of the tank pulling without even looking to see if everyone's ready and having to make do with just one dps =/
(And sure, you can run book dungeons unsynched with just one or two friends and do them faster that way, but you don't get any tomes for that, which are in short supply already if you're rushing through relic progress ^^; )

Was healing in Neverreap and my connection went out, during second boss, and the party wiped. They waited and we progressed to the final boss. Dragoon lost connection just in time for the room-wide AoE, but the tank misjudged her position and got knocked off. Tanked the boss with heals, for the next 10 or so minutes, and the dragoon luckily reconnected to help finish up.

"Glad we waited!"

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Unless something else changed, you can't get Rogue until you get something else to 10 anyways, so it would be entirely possible to go, say...Full tank gear, and have nothing a Rogue can equip.

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Originally Posted by Pells

Until level 15, tank gear is the same as rogue gear.

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Taking a quick look in the Libra Eorzea app...


First 'tank'...

Head
Bronze Chain coif, level 8

Body
Bronze Haubergeon, level 8

Hands
Bronze Mitt Gauntlets, level 12

Waist
Bronze Plate Belt, level 15

Legs
Padded Hempen Trousers, level 15

Feet
Bronze Sollerets, level 8


Semi related note... The first caster earrings, not accounting the moogle and cactuar ones that are level 1 and limited...

Plundered earrings at level 15, dungeon drop.
Adventurer's earrings at level 25, I don't even know where these come from, and frankly didn't know they existed till I looked just now.
And then, finally, the various gemstone earrings at level 29...

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

My guess would be he's trying to work on a relic and was doing it for a book ^^; And normally it'd be fine, but I understand the frustration of the tank pulling without even looking to see if everyone's ready and having to make do with just one dps =/
(And sure, you can run book dungeons unsynched with just one or two friends and do them faster that way, but you don't get any tomes for that, which are in short supply already if you're rushing through relic progress ^^; )

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He indeed was there for his book (the ninja also needed Haukke for his book and the Zodiac quest, but it was just luck, we went there via roulette for this treasure map quest xD) and under normal circumstances the atma weapon would be fully okay (I mean, wouldn't it be stupid of squenix to send us into a dungeon with an underleveled weapon?), but in this moment it was... yeah, challenging ^^'

Quarn, join in progress as DRK. 38! Minutes have passed and they just defeated the first boss.
Whatever... I find out BLM rota is fire2, Ice2, thunder2 so second boss takes very long (DRG and me out of TP but we still beat it) I say nothing and we slowly reach final boss.
No one kills adds at the platforms and after some time the healer dies. I say "kill adds at platform and they will stay dead" and get vote kicked for it. What?

Once I was in Neverland and well...my WHM iLvl was sth around 195 I think... The tank was new, I saw it on his gear...wasn't really good, but well we all start low!
On the first platform we needed like 10minutes...and I tried to heal and not produce too much hate... was a bit hard but worked... On the second stage the tank probably thought he can tank them all...and made a BIG pull....
Only thought in my brain: uff.

He died. I died. DD's died... Happens...
He goes back. There was me and him... and he starts pulling without waiting for the DD's....
I told him to stop, and wait....
I also asked for smaller pulls because I get too much hate.
Then his friend (one of the DD's) said: "Shut up. *insert random name* is a really good tank! It's your fault"
Then I was kicked....

Later I did this dungeon with a low gear Tank from my FC and it worked fine....

I've been to hell, and it is tanking Toto Rak for a healer friend with 2 pug MCH that just discovered their Blank Shot.

Queued for leveling roulette as a monk and got Stone Vigil normal. Bard and I are level synced while the tank and healer are not. Right from the first pull, I notice the tank takes HUGE chunks of damage, and the healer has a very slow reaction time. I used mantra every time it came off cd, as well as stunning when necessary to help out. The tank's hp dips dangerously low during every pull, but we manage to get the first boss.

Everything's fine until the boss starts casting Swinge. The whm gets hit by every single one and barely tops himself off in time. The whm had a black mage at 60, so I figured they had to have done SV at least once... Soon enough, the whm's delayed reaction time catches up to him and he dies. During this whole ordeal, the whm is SERIOUSLY neglecting the tank, who is already taking abnormal amounts of damage. Tank eventually dies and goes "...". Luckily, the bard and I are able to finish the boss off. :D

As the tank and healer are running back, the tank says, "What are you doing <whm name>?". Healer says nothing, and this is where things get hilarious. Tank then says, "Say something plx <whm name>" and the healer said, "something plx" LOL. Tank then says something about how the healer must be doing something else while playing. Bard leaves and a summoner joins. Every pull until the final boss was a butt-clenching moment for me, even as a dps. @_@;

We get to the final boss and the whm makes no attempt to avoid the areas where the boss swoops down. Shortly dies after from very late heals. We wipe and from then until the end of the dungeon, the tank keeps insisting that the whm was preoccupied or something, even saying, "Not eating for 5 minutes isn't going to kill you, <whm name>". The one thing that was clear was that the whm wasn't learning from any of his mistakes. We wiped twice more from the same situation and the tank kept saying the same thing about the healer. Also, when any aoe damage went out, the whm didn't use medica even once. Instead, he individually put regen on each of us... I pointed out that medica was more useful, and I eventually saw him casting one... when he was on the complete opposite side of the room to ALL of us. We get a lucky attempt where the dragon manages to miss all the spots where the healer stands and we finally beat it. I checked the healer's and the tank's gear. Healer had lv 30ish armor with completely wrong accessories and the tank had some DoW gear on. Summoner and I /flamesaluted each other and I gave her my commendation. I'm 90% sure she gave me one too. Twas a fun run indeed. X'D

Also just had a run where a geared healer was complaining about tanks with strength accessories in Praetorium ahahahaha.

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Originally Posted by Ganglyzilla

Queued for leveling roulette as a monk and got Stone Vigil normal

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Sounds like the same person I got last night while leveling my monk in SV lol, they kept getting killed by the huge line aoes at the final boss as well. Maybe we have cross-datacenter clone AFK healers.

On a positive note I had a 15 minute run of amdapor keep right before maintenace in lvl 50 roulette so sometimes you do end up with good players.

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

First 'tank'...

Head
Bronze Chain coif, level 8

Body
Bronze Haubergeon, level 8

Hands
Bronze Mitt Gauntlets, level 12

Feet
Bronze Sollerets, level 8

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Ignoring the two level 15 gear you listed (since the person you responded to said (paraphrased) "no tank gear before level 15"), those are actually counted as lancer/dragoon gear -- note the lower Mdef on them. Tank gear always has the same Def and Mdef.
That said, they're still unavailable to a rogue =)
(Then again, he should still have some from before that tier, from all the quest rewards... Or, if he went for the money instead, there's plenty of gear to buy from the vendors in the three cities. So yeah... It's about as annoying as tanks running around in cowls, thinking their protection is adequate >.<)

Actually, there is one tank piece before level 15. Custom-made Cuirass at level 5. (Also, coincidentally, the one tank piece that disregards the "equal Def/Mdef" rule.)

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Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi

Semi related note... The first caster earrings, not accounting the moogle and cactuar ones that are level 1 and limited...

Plundered earrings at level 15, dungeon drop.
Adventurer's earrings at level 25, I don't even know where these come from, and frankly didn't know they existed till I looked just now.
And then, finally, the various gemstone earrings at level 29...

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I know T___T
(And I'm pretty sure the Adventurer's Earrings are limited, too, if not 1.x. I've never seen them, at least.)

Had a Vault run yesterday with a BLM who was putting out a fraction of the damage I was doing as a barely competent NIN, (to emphasize my point, I was doing more damage even when I forgot to use a poison until right before the final boss, due to switching classes right before entering the dungeon), but was trying to tell our healer how to do her job. To add to the matter, this BLM also didn't want to split particularly often when the chains showed up, (despite not using Ley Lines as far as I could tell), and when our tank mentioned that they needed to do more DPS against the orbs after we wiped to them, their response was that they weren't paying attention to their MP. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not a fan of playing BLM, (don't even technically have it unlocked), but isn't watching your MP one of the main things you have to do to play the class? Needless to say, the vote kick was unanimous.....

Queued for what I thought was Trial Roulette on my level 57 PLD. Ended up accidentally queuing for Leveling Roulette. Got DD. I was... uh... intoxicated at the time. So these poor guys had to deal with me not being able to type and barely able to play. They were good sports about it, but I felt really awful for making them put up with me, lol.

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm not a fan of playing BLM, (don't even technically have it unlocked), but isn't watching your MP one of the main things you have to do to play the class? Needless to say, the vote kick was unanimous.....

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Even worse, a BLM has the best MP recovery in the game, bar none. Any BLM worrying about running out of MP is doing it oh so very wrong.

A friend and I got Fractal on lvl 60 roulette today (He was blm, I was whm). Was wondering why the drg was consistently last place in dps and realized that entire time they weren't using heavy thrust (or any buffs for that matter). When asked why they weren't using heavy thrust at least, they said "is that one especially helpful?"

@_@.. Tool tips.. use them.. love them.. howdidyougetto60withoutrealizingthis

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Even worse, a BLM has the best MP recovery in the game, bar none. Any BLM worrying about running out of MP is doing it oh so very wrong.

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I told a BLM to AOE today in Neverreap and their response was "but I run out of MP faster that way"

...I had my BLM friend handle that one

I met the legendary Full Thrust Man on DF for Tonberry!

my garuda ex farm accidentally queued for duty finder, got three new people
new people kept aoeing and killing the spiny
we cleared though
how you ask?
something that had to happen twice in that run during garudas wipe attack. three words that probably have almost never been muttered before except in nightmares.
tank limit break

I had an AWESOME run of cutter's cry last night.Friend was leveling his MNK and I queued as a healer on my lvl 52 SCH. I didn't really have anything else I wanted to play at that level range. So we get another monk and a paladin. Both the other monk and the paladin are texting or being distracted by something, I don't know, but they both die on a trash pull because AOE. I swiftraise the tank and heal everyone up, we don't actually wipe. After that, the tank and the other monk were like, we'll pay attention now, and I was like, you know what, that was not a big deal. It actually made my life kinda fun because I had to try.

After that, the Tank is popping cooldowns and doing a really awesome job. Add my Adlo and she's not taking hardly ANY damage at all, which means DPS time for me. We're joking in the chat and generally just having a blast. It was a happy run. Over the course of the Chimera fight I had to raise everyone at least once and I had to raise the friend I queued with like four times. It was REALLY intense, but we cleared the first time and we had a BLAST doing it. At least I did. Got both the pick-up's comms. :)

Moral: People can die and the run could not be 100% perfect speed run and it could still be SUPER fun with awesome people, just have to roll with it. ;)

Had a crybaby tank last night in my A4 run. The run started with him saying "I hope you all know the fight, I'm tired of wiping today". Of course, we wipe once to the dolls in second phase. Instead of specifying what went wrong and what to do he says "Just kick me guys, please". No one kicked him, instead he decided to disconnect himself from the instance in hopes that we would. We said screw it and pulled without him.

He popped back in and out of the instance multiple times as we were doing it, waiting for us to kick him/wipe. When he saw we had made it past dolls, the jackass decided to finally contribute and even took MT. We cleared the instance and everyone was like "Now kick the tank". Unfortunately the loot chest was opened before we had the chance and the worst part was he even won a shaft from that run. x_x

The only good thing that came from that run was we got him killed on purpose by not covering his lasers after he decided he wanted to come back and "help". Screw that guy >_<

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Ignoring the two level 15 gear you listed (since the person you responded to said (paraphrased) "no tank gear before level 15"), those are actually counted as lancer/dragoon gear -- note the lower Mdef on them. Tank gear always has the same Def and Mdef.
That said, they're still unavailable to a rogue =)
(Then again, he should still have some from before that tier, from all the quest rewards... Or, if he went for the money instead, there's plenty of gear to buy from the vendors in the three cities. So yeah... It's about as annoying as tanks running around in cowls, thinking their protection is adequate >.<)

Actually, there is one tank piece before level 15. Custom-made Cuirass at level 5. (Also, coincidentally, the one tank piece that disregards the "equal Def/Mdef" rule.)



I know T___T
(And I'm pretty sure the Adventurer's Earrings are limited, too, if not 1.x. I've never seen them, at least.)

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Ah yes, I'd forgotten the custom made curias.

But I did put 'tank' in quotes since the gear is technically 'medium' armor, and wearable by lancer.

Had a run in Labyrinth of Ancients last night where none of the six tanks wanted to pull the final boss...so a Dragoon started doing it. He was doing a decent job until a tank finally took it off him.

That whole LoA run was a shitshow. Multiple wipes - a wipe at 3/4 boss encounters - aggro fights, dps going to the wrong places even with waymarks. My alliance did decently at least and we handed out compliments to each other before we all left, and I was running AST and the other healer was a cute Lala AST so we had a good time playing off one another.

Running Aery on my lv55 WHM with a WAR friend and two monks. During the second boss fight, the lalafell monk ran into EVERY SINGLE toxic cloud, the miqo'te monk got some stacks too, and I was running low on mana while my MP regen was on cooldown. So, everyone was incredibly low on health, and then the lalafell monk complained about me not removing the disease debuff that slows your movement down.
I'm sorry, but if people are close to dying and I don't have many MP, I certainly won't use them for removing a non-lethal debuff...

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Originally Posted by Fersaken

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You must be delightful at parties.

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Originally Posted by ReddAxel

Words.

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Had that happen a while back with a DPS who wanted to leave. He came back a solid 40 minutes later, (there were other reasons we were still in there after that long), and complained that we hadn't kicked him, despite the fact that he would have easily been done with the penalty by then if he had of simply left. It's a personal annoyance to me when people decide that their time is more important than helping a group, despite the fact that they qued up for DF group content.....

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

Had that happen a while back with a DPS who wanted to leave. He came back a solid 40 minutes later, (there were other reasons we were still in there after that long), and complained that we hadn't kicked him, despite the fact that he would have easily been done with the penalty by then if he had of simply left. It's a personal annoyance to me when people decide that their time is more important than helping a group, despite the fact that they qued up for DF group content.....

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Yeah, this..
I'd rather wait a person out and attempt to clear something short one member than kick someone out simply because they don't want to do the content.

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Originally Posted by Fersaken

6. I am the dps that will stand in shit I know I can survive, because it ups my dps. That 2 seconds it takes a healer to heal me, saying " I could be dpsing instead of healing you " is a mute point, because the 2-3 spells I get off due to not moving = your dps the entire fight.

7. I am the tank or dps that would like you to learn what the fuck ensuna is.

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I am the healer that won't 'ensuna' you because I don't cater to people who ignore mechanics. You get a regen if I am on a WHM or AST, or get to live on the whim of my faerie if I am a SCH.

Garuda Extreme and a guy said "read guide?"
No i said, and he used "disappoint" emote.. In the middle of fogjt I did not die but he did twice.