2hr Abilites (Yes Please!)? or (No Thanks!)?

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Thinking your posts are facts and mine are opinions really dont make your point more valid.

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No no, in my opinion you just cracked the ultimate secret. You should be out there making money right now, not browsing an internet forum.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

No no, in my opinion you just cracked the ultimate secret. You should be out there making money right now, not browsing an internet forum.

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Do you have anything to say or you feel better just trolling the subject ?

Well, you could have said something akin to "there is a point at which freedom shouldn't be sacrificed for balance, as in MMORPG's achieving balance is a lost cause due to too many variables in the first place".

But instead you decided to cite Rebecca Black. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Well, you could have said something akin to "there is a point at which freedom shouldn't be sacrificed for balance, as in MMORPG's achieving balance is a lost cause due to too many variables in the first place".

But instead you decided to cite Rebecca Black. Oh well.

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So basicly your saying my point is not wrong but you decide to troll me because i didnt use words of your liking ?
really can you discuss the subject at hand or do you insist to keep trolling me ?.I didnt use the sentence "in my opinion" because everything here are opinions .Is retarded to have to say it every time and even more retarded thinking something people might discuss on a matter of game development/direction is based on facts.

So here let me word it correctly for you "IN MY OPINION YOU ARE WRONG " becouse of what i said before.

There , feel better ?Now maybe you can discuss why you dont agree with me and we can both feel better at the end of the day without having to derail or go into E-thuging or insults.

One can argue (to some degree of success) that class/job balance should be a lower priority than class/job identity.

If a Marauder can do Red Lotus wielding an Axe and have the same damage effect as Lancer wielding a Spear ... is there really any practical difference between the Marauder and Lancer in combat?? Aren't they just doing the same thing with different tools??

But one could also argue that class/job balance and class/job identity are not mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. It is possible to achieve both to a high degree... however improbable or difficult that may be. I believe Naoki Yoshida and his team are attempting to do just that.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

One can argue (to some degree of success) that class/job balance should be a lower priority than class/job identity.

If a Marauder can do Red Lotus wielding an Axe and have the same damage effect as Lancer wielding a Spear ... is there really any practical difference between the Marauder and Lancer in combat?? Aren't they just doing the same thing with different tools??

But one could also argue that class/job balance and class/job identity are not mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. It is possible to achieve both to a high degree... however improbable or difficult that may be. I believe Naoki Yoshida and his team are attempting to do just that.

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Completely agree.But IMO(yes im looking at you Betel)the game should let players experience the classes as they are intended first , then balance it.In the end is a much better and enjoyable experience.FFXIV is the perfect example of doing it backwards.

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

Why can't my fun float with yours?!

OUR VOICES WILL BE HEARD.

^ you win if you get reference.

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Reminds me of the chappelle show episode with Charlie Murphy. I don't know if you are referring to that though.

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Originally Posted by Akumu

Reminds me of the chappelle show episode with Charlie Murphy. I don't know if you are referring to that though.

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We have a winner!~

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

We have a winner!~

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lol I love that show and even have the DVDs. Watched it so much that I remember most(if not all) of the lines.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

If a Marauder can do Red Lotus wielding an Axe and have the same damage effect as Lancer wielding a Spear ... is there really any practical difference between the Marauder and Lancer in combat?? Aren't they just doing the same thing with different tools??

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You could say that about any two melee jobs in FFXI. Hell, you could boil it down even further and say that any class who's primary job is damage dealing are "the same thing with different tools".

Yeah, there may not be a huge technical difference between the melee jobs in FFXIV, and I would like to see some unique skills... but what it boils down to is that their goal is the same.