Warning for "Grief" Tactics?!

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

As a general rule I *highly* advise to not display one's main character on the forums, and to instead display a lesser used alt in order to protect from in-game harassment.

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I mean, knock on wood here, but I'm the opposite; I put my main and my alt out there without issue. I may disagree with many on the forums overall, but I don't think I've ever gotten overly petty or argumentative for no reason. If I have nothing to add to a particular thread, even if someone else "got the last word", I just stop responding (like a recent post I had saying I like how WHM works which was apparently the wrong line of thinking in that thread).

I mean, protect yourself by all means, but surely a good way to protect yourself is to just not engage with idiots.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Oh no! I can have an attitude on the forums! Woe is me, that must mean that translates in-game!

No, no. Frankly, people have an attitude with me! They are lucky that I haven't bothered to report them, with what I have endured before via chat.

By the way, it is hilarious.. I have been attacked for saying "becoming a monster" (OoOoh) by simply saying I would follow the example many in this community make: to report griefers, people cursing, and the like. The people who reported me were doing great work, but if I did the same I am not?

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Generally, the trend would remain consistent between mediums of communication. Be it on here, on Reddit, or in-game. Perhaps you just elect to skirt them more.

The fact remains, you have an attitude on the forums, and another fact remains that you got a warning in-game on your 'perfect record' - Regardless of your own personal feelings to anyone from an outside perspective it is both a potential trend and an unwillingness to act appropriately.

and no, people have called you a monster because you announced it in quite arguably a very spiteful tone. Heck even this one is very sarcastic and contradictory which just tells me you're eagerly trying to rationalise any course of irrational behaviour you're exhibiting. If you were as innocent as you previously claimed then they clearly won't doing a good job. But now by your own admission they were doing great work. - So I suppose you just aren't that innocent, are you?

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

and no, people have called you a monster because you announced it in quite arguably a very spiteful tone. Heck even this one is very sarcastic and contradictory which just tells me you're eagerly trying to rationalise any course of irrational behaviour you're exhibiting. If you were as innocent as you previously claimed then they clearly won't doing a good job. But now by your own admission they were doing great work. - So I suppose you just aren't that innocent, are you?

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Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

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The thing is though sarcasm is 100% lost when you make your thread based on your frustrations/anger on being reported for griefing, so what do you want people to think exactly when you post stuff like that?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

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Sarcasm isnt an excuse to be rude.

Random people can not hear sarcasm from a text of people they dont know.
To others, i probably seem extremely rude and blunt, but its just that i like to just say things as they are and not sugarcoat them.
I also like to rant and fully inderstand the other side, so i ask a lot of questions, which might look really weird and defensive to some.

Others cant know your intend.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

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No if you deliberately refuse to heal or rez someone, regardless of whether said damage was their own fault or not can be considered griefing. But then I suppose we get into this whole neurotic discussion of "But they are doing it tooo!!!" - Part of your responsibility as a healer is to do the best you can to ensure everyone is alive regardless of where the blame falls for the mistake.

See it is your tone that conveys intent. If someone is reporting you for not adhering to the ToS which they quite clearly did then no it is not a spiteful act, it is someone carrying out a civil service. Arguably you would be too if your tone didn't take a dramatic change from "It doesn't bother me so I won't report it" straight the way over to "Can't beat em, join em; just report everything that constitutes as an infraction regardless of how minor" - At this point I wouldn't even consider it sarcastic but just your attempt at trying to rationalise your behaviour.

Yes that is a fairly spiteful response. Good luck inferring sarcasm on a digital medium. Especially when the entirety of your thread is already underpinned by a relatively upset/frustrated tone.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

The thing is though sarcasm is 100% lost when you make your thread based on your frustrations/anger on being reported for griefing, so what do you want people to think exactly when you post stuff like that?

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Does anyone seriously think it actually matters what I posted sarcastic or not? I know I am disliked by many, and this is an ample opportunity for anybody who doesn't like me to gloat about how my 'perfect record' was ruined. Exactly how does anyone think I attained a 'perfect record' for so long if any of the baseless accusations that have been made against me were actually true. In over half a decade I have NEVER had a GM interaction.

This is a vent thread, I never thought I would accomplish anything by posting it, aside from venting. I am just frustrated by the lack of info given on what I supposedly did, and the obsession by many in this community to report for petty reasons.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

No if you deliberately refuse to heal or rez someone, regardless of whether said damage was their own fault or not can be considered griefing.

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Exactly where did I state I "refuse" to raise anybody. I stated I raise people immediately if I have swiftcast, or I wait until it is up to raise. Otherwise, if required, I will hardcast important roles such as the other healer, tanks, or dps who can raise. People just don't like how I word things. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

See it is your tone that conveys intent. If someone is reporting you for not adhering to the ToS which they quite clearly did then no it is not a spiteful act, it is someone carrying out a civil service.

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Oh.My.God. I LOVE that justification.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

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We can't know if they reported out of spite for certain and neither can you. Perhaps they genuinely saw whatever it was as griefing. Perhaps they reported it generally and the GM saw it as griefing. Unless we all become psychic there is no way to know what was going on inside the heads of the others involved in all of this.

The thing that is really the problem is that because of company policies you were not told what you did wrong so mitigating your behavior going forward is virtually impossible. From your posts in this thread is it apparent (imo) that you have no idea what actually triggered the report. So barring an appeal being successful you not only have no way of getting it fixed you cannot avoid the offensive behavior in the future. That strikes me as setting up players for repeated violations.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Right, right, and the people reporting me for "griefing" aren't acting out of spite. The players reporting others for "profanity" (cursing), aren't acting out of spite. Give me a break. I don't know if people know this, but there is a thing called 'sarcasm'.

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Sarcasm isn't usually well received by those you do not know and are otherwise not close to unless it is done in a very friendly joking manner.

This user has an attitude in the forums, refuses to perform their job functions when other people mess up because its their fault, vows revenge about becoming a monster and going on a reporting spree. It's not hard to imagine why they would eventually get caught by the GMs even if they behave in the most subtle of manners in game. All I get from them is resentment and anger plus an overall jadedness with the game and its casual playerbase, the one SE is most interested in keeping.

While a healer is supposed to damage in this game it doesn't take priority over keeping the party alive and acting as a backup for when people mess up. In fact, a healer refusing to raise as quickly as possible to keep attacking is a huge net loss on DPS because the dead person, usually a DPS, cannot get any of their more higher power (compared to the healer) GCDs off on the boss Even at 25% damage reduction and probably close to parity at 50%.

The GM answered you and provided a way to appeal the decision in a very curteous and professional manner, but even afterwards you continue to paint the company and everyone else in a bad light compared to you. We are nothing but peons here for your agenda of trying to make the company look bad for something they did that you don't agree with.

It is also pretty clear here your intention isn't to find empathy as much as it is to punish the company with negative PR because they dared to warn you. Just ugh... Go appeal and if that fails, since multiple parties have reviewed it at that point just acknowledge that maybe you slipped up and you are not the blameless paragon you claim to be. SE cleaned up one bad GM for banning people they shouldn't so they have a good record of being impartial when bans are appealed. They are not intentionally out against their own paying customers. I can tell you that.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Does anyone seriously think it actually matters what I posted sarcastic or not? I know I am disliked by many, and this is an ample opportunity for anybody who doesn't like me to gloat about how my 'perfect record' was ruined. Exactly how does anyone think I attained a 'perfect record' for so long if any of the baseless accusations that have been made against me were actually true. In over half a decade I have NEVER had a GM interaction.

This is a vent thread, I never thought I would accomplish anything by posting it, aside from venting. I am just frustrated by the lack of info given on what I may have done, and the obsession by many in this community to report for petty reasons.

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I mean considering that the majority of the people here have conveyed that they took you seriously on the monster post, then yes lol. You can't get miffed at people for taking it seriously on a thread based on frustration and go "it's obviously sarcasm and hyberbole!" it's just not going to be seen that way.

Also, I did make a post yesterday agreeing that there needs to be way more transparency. I get that a person could know who reported them, but a middle ground needs to be found. It's not ok to leave you hanging in the dark, and SE did you dirty for that. I think(?) the monster quote was nuked and since I had that quoted, it unfortunately deleted my post as well kek.