Does 14 Promote a Culture of Mediocrity?

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Originally Posted by Theox

The polarizing nature of this forum is insane. We have a 1000 page thread dedicated solely to documenting less than mediocre players ruining the game for everyone else, but we also have threads like these where people would die to defend their right to "have fun" and not "work" in the game (as if demanding basic stuff the game basically teaches you to do is somehow demanding hard work).

Please remember that the fun you get at the expense of other people NOT having fun is also not ok. The entitlement of some people in here is unbearable.

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Its like they join a baseball team, go to bat with a hokey stick, strike out, demand to round all the bases on their dirt bike because its fun and your the bad guy for telling them they shouldnt.

It's hilarious how hardcore use to mean farming EX fights as soon as they were released and tackling Ultimate fights to knowing how classes work. Drg double weaving? Tryhard. Mnk trying to keep leaden fist up as much as they can for Bootshine damage? Tryhard. Smn using astralflow during the gcd cooldown? Tryhard. At this point it's safer to keep quiet if you find that ice mage in your dungeon run, after all it's their 15 dollars. :^)

At this point I would take an ice mage. I seem to get glare mages instead, but I only run into them when playing DRK or (if not tanking) grouped with a DRK. If I use a job that can actually heal itself I instead run into healers that completely refuse to DPS and instead want to try for the world's overhealing record.

Also to all those complaining that "All you want is savage everything, just do that!" No, its not about challenge. It is about wanting the gameplay in more casual relaxed content to be engaging again. To have fun when running it, and not tittering on slumber while having to grind it out.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

At this point I would take an ice mage. I seem to get glare mages instead, but I only run into them when playing DRK or (if not tanking) grouped with a DRK.

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You do realize a Glare Mage is a good mage right (provided you're not dead). That's literally all they can do if no one is in danger.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Also to all those complaining that "All you want is savage everything, just do that!" No, its not about challenge. It is about wanting the gameplay in more casual relaxed content to be engaging again. To have fun when running it, and not tittering on slumber while having to grind it out.

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It wasn't engaging the first time you ran it and even it if was harder it wouldn't be engaging throughout. Why are you even still grinding at this point? You should be nearly done with all your tome stuff.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

It's hilarious how hardcore use to mean farming EX fights as soon as they were released and tackling Ultimate fights to knowing how classes work. Drg double weaving? Tryhard. Mnk trying to keep leaden fist up as much as they can for Bootshine damage? Tryhard. Smn using astralflow during the gcd cooldown? Tryhard. At this point it's safer to keep quiet if you find that ice mage in your dungeon run, after all it's their 15 dollars. :^)

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Yeah, it's funny that now the definition of tryhard is pushing a button you're supposed to.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

It wasn't engaging the first time you ran it and even it if was harder it wouldn't be engaging throughout. Why are you even still grinding at this point? You should be nearly done with all your tome stuff.

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Range BiS this tier is tome heavy, plus multi jobing and getting other roles ready for a smooth pf experience.

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Originally Posted by Asmodai

Ive always assumed they were the bad players.

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Yep, and it's not even hard to be 'good' at the game at a general level. The bar is low and many don't even make that.

Good to me is doing normal mechanics, and keep pressing buttons.

You don't even need a guide to play all the jobs in the game at a respectful level. Reading tooltips and putting 2+2 together generally is enough to do good damage.

Majority of the problem is people just sit there and drift, too much. Drift is mostly a result of not pressing buttons for every GCD.

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Originally Posted by iheartlove42

Go play Dark Souls or Lost Ark if you want a difficult game. Have fun. The devs have stated they made this game so people can have fun not so tryhards can gloat about a bunch of pixels.

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I'm casual and this game is barely fun with how the combat system is such a boring mess.
I'm not a tryhard, but I also don't want this game to be so easy that it isn't fun.
It's gotten to that point now. Also lmao, Lost Ark ain't hard.