Keep NFT out of FF14

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Originally Posted by Miiu

Good thing I am a digital artist and can tell you how I feel about it.
It sucks. People screenshotting/saving the images and using them as motives for tshirts/cups/bags and other merch sucks. Seeing people show up with your work in their portfolio during a job interview is a frustrating process.
And it won't go away unless we have better and modern copyright laws. And stores who accept random images who actually give a shit about copyrights.

But and here is the kicker. NFTs don't solve that. You have the same thing going on with NFTs. People stealing/screenshotting/saving art and make an NFT ouf ot that and then sell that for whatever amount of money.

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You are right. NFT's do not solve digital art theft. However, before NFT's it was impossible to sell your digital art and create a market for it as the purchaser had no idea if they were buying the original or a screenshot. I have friends in that community that are making a living now through NFT's. It's not perfect but at least it's some progress.

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Originally Posted by Mysticp

You are right. NFT's do not solve digital art theft. However, before NFT's it was impossible to sell your digital art and create a market for it

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Big wrong. Even if you know what nfts are you have no idea what the digital art community has been for the past 20 years.

That is something that is also the case in the real world. Forgeries are a big problem in the art community and you need experts to determine the validity of said art pieces. I am not saying NFTs aren't lucrative for artist. Beeple for example made killing through NFTs but that isn't the norm.
The problem is that NFTs don't solve the issues people claim it solves. It makes it less tangible.

And I don't follow your sentence. You're saying NFTs don't solve art theft but also that without NFTs there was no way for people to know if they buy an original or not. They still won't know.

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the purchaser had no idea if they were buying the original or a screenshot.

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NFTs do not solve that problem whatsoever either.

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It's not perfect but at least it's some progress.

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Applying concepts of materiality to digital items is not progress. It is, quite literally, a regressive concept. "We do not know how to adequately monetize these for content providers so let's pretend like an infinitely replicable digital good is actually pretend scarce" is the opposite of progress.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

Big wrong. Even if you know what nfts are you have no idea what the digital art community has been for the past 20 years.

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2 of my closest friends are digital artists (one full time, one part). They did create a market for their work prior to NFT's but it was not a large one. They had to use closed forums for their work and do work based off commission. Nowadays things are much easier for them. They have their supporters go to their page and see their list of NFT's and they list them on various marketplaces. Their lives have improved dramatically.

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Originally Posted by Mysticp

2 of my closest friends are digital artists (one full time, one part). They did create a market for their work prior to NFT's but it was not a large one. They had to use closed forums for their work and do work based off commission. Nowadays things are much easier for them. They have their supporters go to their page and see their list of NFT's and they list them on various marketplaces. Their lives have improved dramatically.

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ok but my dad works at nintendo

edit: wait didnt you say it was impossible for artists to market their work before nfts? grats to your friends for defying reality

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

Implementation across games is difficult anyway due to game engines and character scaling not being uniform.
Lets say in ff11 i had a hat. Even if that exact same hat were transferred to ff14, it wouldnt work correctly and SE would need to have the asset remade from scratch, or at the very least altered/rescaled, essentially creating two identical but different items. Far from the unique nft ideal.
If youre proposing SE use the same engine for every game for the sake of maintaining and honoring the promise of nft transfer, I have a fun historical example for you in crystal tools. Everybody loved crystal tools right? Never caused any massive game delays or flops.

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This is not how NFT's work. Game engine has nothing to do with cross game implementation. NFT's follow a standard. They are references to a game asset in that case, not the asset themselves. The other game would choose to interpret that refence in whatever way it saw fit. It could be hat in one game and a pair of jeans in another.

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Originally Posted by Mysticp

This is not how NFT's work. Game engine has nothing to do with cross game implementation. NFT's follow a standard. They are references to a game asset in that case, not the asset themselves. The other game would choose to interpret that refence in whatever way it saw fit. It could be hat in one game and a pair of jeans in another.

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so if you dont own the asset itself how is it different to an item code? it would be relatively simple if the company wanted to make multiple games that reference the same item codes, it wouldnt be future proof, of course but neither is the nft alternative.

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

ok but my dad works at nintendo

edit: wait didnt you say it was impossible for artists to market their work before nfts? grats to your friends for defying reality

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Prior to NFT's the full time artist was struggling. He put in a lot of work for very little return. He was mostly selling to small community of fans. He is by no ways rich now but he is stable and able to reach many more people. There is an actual market for his work now.

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Originally Posted by Mysticp

Prior to NFT's the full time artist was struggling. He put in a lot of work for very little return. He was mostly selling to small community of fans. He is by no ways rich now but he is stable and able to reach many more people. There is an actual market for his work now.

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Would it be fair to counter your friends anecdotal lived experience with my own? Or would that just be appealing to emotion rather than actual data