The reviews I've seen based off story alone, have Star Wars: The Old Republic as number one and WoW as number two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gula
Either way it goes it's pretty subjective and I should've worded it more subjectively. One thing that isn't subjective though is that the story is dragged out in mmos because they have to.
Punish MSQ Cutscene Skippers
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06-05-2020, 04:10 AMMichiPichi
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06-05-2020, 06:08 AMGulaIf you play everything all at once, only ARR drags. It's on a schedule. A weekly series, for example- is not always dragged out because it's a story that is told in doses and a particular formula. This is all the game is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiPichi
In a single sitting, the story flow is excellent as expansions move ahead. This is just how the story is told. It's all written two years in advance and not extended just to bore you either. Beast Tribes too, the story is not prolonged, you're gated behind progress walls to keep playing. The story isn't dragging, you're just not being allowed to gulp it all down at once. -
06-05-2020, 06:08 AMTheMightyMollusk
Anyone who rates WoW highly on story hasn't actually tried to follow WoW's story. It's a gigantic mess of retcons, badly-written characters, and blatant stupidity that only serves to drag out the central faction conflict.
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06-05-2020, 07:36 AMTranquilmelody7
Having run the roulette hundreds of times and occasionally skipping cutscenes myself, I also have never heard of any actually moderator actions being dished out to cutscene skippers.
If people here really care that much I'm not going to suggest to stop sending out reports, but to initiate vote kicks as well to anyone skipping a cutscene as well.
Unless Square Enix issues out an actual statement on behalf of cutscene skipping, it's highly unlikely any people who do so shall receive consequences from staff.
If vote kicking cutscene skippers became a trend, however; it may effectively curb players from doing so.
I personally don't skip cutscenes to be 'edgy', I only do so as a tank because I can efficiently solo any of the boss fights in the dungeons while playing as one(Albeit I can only solo Ultima Phase 2 as DRK).
While I enjoy fighting the bosses early it's not really a hill I'd care to die on to be frank, and if anyone voiced any requests or complaints to not skip cutscenes during a run I'd not attempt to do or stop doing so respectively.
Unfortunately no one ever seems to care enough from my experiences
I've gotta say though - for all this outrage here towards disorderly conduct during the MSQ roulette I still witness a distinct lack of courtesy while running the dungeons:
-Players still generally pull bosses as soon as possible if they arrive there before others(Not by disconnecting)
Players rarely explain mechanics to newcomers but may occasionally jab or complain at them for doing them wrong(Colossus army, Cannons for Livia)
Players may not care if newcomers are lost or left behind (In particular I occasionally see people activate Praetorium elevators rather quickly and leave others behind)
-Players still RARELY try to prevent newcomers from succumbing to the 2 obvious mob pitfalls in Praetorium
-Players still occasionally complain about the unskippale cutscenes and sometimes even say they are terrible and can't understand why anyone would pay attention to them
-Heck, I've even witnessed a few healers who ignored sprouts who wiped in Castrum and walked right past them leaving them to revive on their own
I get skipping cutscenes may be classified as an actual exploit but it's still odd for no one to mention the other commonly occurring potential player caused issues during the MSQ roulette. -
06-05-2020, 08:05 AMAwha
That is a fair point it is a massive cluster of organized chaos. I admit I am guilty of not explaining fights I simply tell them if asked just burn the boss. I get the fight is a set epiece, and the fights are meant to epic. Sadly with how players currently run the content they are far from epic. I get I am a selfish prick but I try to be honest with others and myself and I simply do not understand or buy it when people claim people may miss something by not taking part in the fights. For the life of me I cannot figure out what they may be missing.
I really feel the outrage is based around an ideal or past experience of the content was meant to be when it was first released. Nothing outside maybe making it a solo trial will ever be able to capture that magic or intented feel the content was meant to have. Maybe running it synced would come close never have tried myself.
I get deep down I think people are more upset with SE then with the players, but since the players have a face so to speak it is easier to place blame on them. -
06-05-2020, 08:42 AMMichiPichiNo the story is dragging, video games by designed are played in "doses"/multiple sessions for the most part, mmos especially, so I'm not understanding your point here. MMO lore drags out especially long because of patches and like you said to keep people playing, however XIV's story is just boring and awfully predictable. Also with it's design of gating you and keeping you from being able to get to max level/end game stuff without it adds that much more of the "chore" feeling to it. And when you pair that with how mmo's play it's no wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gula
Again, I haven't played an mmo where you can gulp the entire story down at once. Yet XiV's story is still extremely dragged out and boring.Quote:
The story isn't dragging, you're just not being allowed to gulp it all down at once.
Never played the game completely through, can only go off of other rating sites and player testimony. I did play WoW classic and some pservers up to WoTLK? And I found that bit way more engaging, fun, and mmoish than XiV and there was a ton of fetch quests there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk
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06-05-2020, 09:00 AMGulaWhy not finish before making judgment? Why are you still here if you don't like it? Because the tone I'm getting is immense dissatisfaction. There are people who don't know a lick of the story and still play for raiding and PVP. And they pay for it, so money well spent. But dragging, from my point of view, is a negative. I don't agree with you either, but I would like to know. Praising another game and then saying aspects about XIV isn't to your satisfaction is a sign that maybe you should be playing those instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiPichi
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06-05-2020, 09:08 AMMichiPichiOh boy, here we go with the toxic lore people telling people to bugger off cause they don't play the same way they play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gula
These two questions contradict each other, I hope you know that. Obviously if I'm not finished, why not stay so I can finish and make a judgement like you stated?
Not to mention not everyone plays mmos for the lore. Some people play mmos or a certain mmo to play with friends, to raid, to craft, to play a more complicated IMVU, point is there's loads of reasons other than the lore. If you can't handle that people play things differently then why are you here? In a game with multiple people doing things for a multitude of reasons?
But I guess that type of thinking is above a lore player's capabilities.
And if something is negative? Yes, dragging is negative and you don't have to agree with me, hence me saying it's SUBJECTIVE (that means opinion may vary). I didn't praise another game, I even said I didn't play it through I said liked that mmo's lore/story telling. Literally nothing else but again...toxic lore players.Quote:
But dragging, from my point of view, is a negative. I don't agree with you either, but I would like to know. Praising another game and then saying aspects about XIV isn't to your satisfaction is a sign that maybe you should be playing those instead?
You sense dissatisfaction from me about the entire game even though I've given my opinion on nothing but the story lmfao, alright troll. I find the story to be awful, deal with it. A lot of people find the story to be awful, hence story skips and hence them redoing ARR because people keep dropping the game from it and overall dissatisfaction (I brought 10 people here, all of them dropped it because of the forced awful story. They all said they wouldn't mind MSQs if the story wasn't bad). -
06-05-2020, 09:32 AMGulaI never said anything about lore in any of my posts in this thread. Calling someone toxic for asking you to explain yourself, real mature. I just brought up a point- no, an objective fact about how people pay to play and don't care about story and did not judge them for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiPichi
Did the big kids who enjoy reading hurt your feelings? :( So sad. -
06-05-2020, 09:38 AMMichiPichiThis entire conversation between you and I started because of lore/story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gula
Out of everything I said you wanted to point out the one off topic thing (the lore) and converse about how it's not bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gula
You didn't ask to explain your start wasQuote:
Calling someone toxic for asking you to explain yourself, real mature.
The fact that you think since someone doesn't like the lore in a mmo they don't like the entire game and it should be questioned why they are here, says enough in it's own. So yes, you're a toxic lore troll, like the other dude I replied to. Never once have I heard someone complain about *one* aspect of a mmo and go "Well why are you here?". That type of "logic" is very common here among lore players here and is always followed by a "well this game isn't for you" or "you don't belong here".Quote:
Why not finish before making judgment? Why are you still here if you don't like it?
Exactly, it is sad that some dude gets his panties in a twist because someone doesn't like the lore in an mmo. Maybe one day he'll grow up and stop erping limsa and actually talk to women or maybe not :rolleyes:.Quote:
Did the big kids who enjoy reading hurt your feelings? So sad.