Lack of End Game Content

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

you have to evolve with the world.

10 hours is a quarter of a fulltime job. if 15 hours is still MEGA casual, that's a problem in definition. if someone told you they went to the gym 2 hours a day, 7 days a week, you wouldn't say they are a mega casual gymgoer.

i would say 15 hours is above the median for FFXIV subscribers.

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Because that's substantially more time than the average person needs for an appropriate weekly workout routine. It's not really an apt comparison to a video game, which is purely for recreation. If someone told you they spent a few hours a night on any other hobby, you probably wouldn't bat an eye at it, though you might be envious of their free time.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Because that's substantially more time than the average person needs for an appropriate weekly workout routine. It's not really an apt comparison to a video game, which is purely for recreation. If someone told you they spent a few hours a night on any other hobby, you probably wouldn't bat an eye at it, though you might be envious of their free time.

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but i wouldn't call that a mega casual hobby no matter what it is.

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Originally Posted by Eli85

Leveling up all your other jobs—not end game content, no matter how you spin it.

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Right, but unlocking a new race, restarting from the start, and doing it all over until you get where you were already - thats end-game right?

Oh, how about doing a whole bunch of grinds to unlock something like flying at max level - but you can only get it a year later - thats end-game?

The raid or die mentality, raids with lots of bosses that dont matter - that worked in WoD right?

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

but i wouldn't call that a mega casual hobby no matter what it is.

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"Mega casual" is maybe a bit much, but it's definitely a casual amount of time. MMORPGs are notorious for the amount of time players invest into them, and aren't readily comparable to most other pursuits. Consider that the MSQ added for Shadowbringers launch alone is basically an entire single-player RPG worth of content, and you have to get through that to do anything else, but a ton of people will have completed that in the first few days of the expansion. MMOs are generally made for and attract an all around more hardcore audience, who expect an appropriate amount of content to keep them satisfied. If you're one of those people who only plays a few hours a week, it's little wonder that you wouldn't understand the dilemma.

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Originally Posted by Avraym

Exactly! Take WoW for example.. I never really found farming azerite or world quests to be "thrilling". But i was kept busy and entertained.

Mythics provided a new way to keep old content fresh and challenging, whilst providing rewards that were relevant for the efforts put in.

This all end game content that outside outside of raiding.

You could still progress your character, everyday with your friends or alone, little by little. And that keeps a lot of players subscribed.

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Yea that Azerite grind was so entertaining it entertained the game into people leaving at the same rate they did in WoD.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

but i wouldn't call that a mega casual hobby no matter what it is.

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I too wouldn't call it mega casual. Goodness, if I knew someone who spent more than 15 hours a week I would respond with 2 things. "are they a kid with a lot of free time?" "Does that person not have any outside responsibilities? like work, family, chores, or other responsible adult things?"

Maybe as I am entering my itching closer to my 40's that I have far more appreciation to take a break from something. As for the sub, I often forget its even there until I get notified because I am a place where I feel financially healthy. But that does come with the fact that I typically get an additional 10-15 hours a week in over time at my job. Because of that even when I took a break I liked the Idea to be able to return when ever I am able to have time even if that means dropping only 6 hours this particular week.

Being Old School hardcore back in college I see the issue. But FFXIV from the stand point I am seeing was not made for players to sink 30+hours a week into it. It is just simply not designed that way. FFXI was.... oh good god it was. Classic WoW was.... ...who remembers 8 hour AQ 40 raids.

suddenly people realize this "problem" when a wow player who didn't know what to expect from a casual mmo have talked about it
keeping you subbed have never been a goal of this game

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Originally Posted by Klb600

You are exaggerating, it was more 20-30 hours at the most.

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Lol - ok, even if thats true, three days is 72 hours. So you spent 40% of your existence over three days to complete the MSQ.

When you consider the number of hours people normally sleep, and the number of hours of work in a psying job .... when you say you beat it in three days because it was only 30 hours ...

Dude - that reveals more about you than the actual game ....

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Originally Posted by Forever_Learning

Lol - ok, even if thats true, three days is 72 hours. So you spent 40% of your existence over three days to complete the MSQ.

When you consider the number of hours people normally sleep, and the number of hours of work in a psying job .... when you say you beat it in three days because it was only 30 hours ...

Dude - that reveals more about you than the actual game ....

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I never claimed to beat it in 3 days...I am just clarifying that the game is in no way as long as the person made it out to be. Nothing more, nothing less.

I never understand threads like this. It always reads like, "I'm not having fun with this game--tell me some things I can do!" *insert long list of things* "Oh I don't want to do any of that. This game is lacking in content."

I don't know what to tell you. You know what the game has to offer the same as the rest of the us—it isn't like there's this top secret level 80 activity we're all doing and no one told you about. If none of it appeals to you, I'm certainly not going to waste time trying to sell it to you.