There Is No Dancer (yet)

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Originally Posted by KaitlanKela

I'd like to point out again that they don't reveal jobs at the NA fanfest.

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I'd rephrase that more like "They wouldn't tease two jobs at the first Fan Fest, with two more down the road" since Red Mage received a pretty big tease.

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Originally Posted by KaitlanKela

There's not enough evidence to say with 100% certainty one way or another.

However, after reading most of this thread, it seems that the concrete evidence points toward monk, making it far more likely. It's fair and not malicious in any way for people to point out that in all likelihood it's not a dancer so just beware you're setting yourself up for a letdown. People are gonna get hyped anyway, so please carry on, it's just not very likely that it will pan out.

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This pretty much mirrors my thoughts.

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I'd like to point out again that they don't reveal jobs at the NA fanfest. If it was a dancer it's a pretty obvious reveal to have the teaser trailer centered on one. From a production/marketing standpoint that's unprecedented and a pretty bad strategy (reduces demand for later fanfests by essentially releasing the product early, that econ minor again). I don't see the devs at SE being that stupid.

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Personally, I disagree here. I think that they gave us enough information to keep us talking about it, only to have an official reveal later. It seems to be working quite successfully if that is the case.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Personally, I disagree here. I think that they gave us enough information to keep us talking about it, only to have an official reveal later. It seems to be working quite successfully if that is the case.

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Agree to disagree. If anything the Devs are very formulaic with their approach to this game. They know what people expect and they know it sells to give people exactly what they're looking for when they're looking for it.

My personal opinion: We may get Dancer this expac, we may not, but even if we do it will be entirely unrelated to the lady in red who's a monk.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Um now you are completely changing the argument.

First you said that people will assume things and then assume that the Dev promised them even though they didn't, and then rage when those promises aren't kept. Your example was of people doing something completely different. Now your second set of examples is of the devs actually breaking their promises?

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You asked for both. You said and I quote:

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Have seen people make this claim a few times, but I've never seen it. Do you have any examples? I am not trying to argue, I am legit curious about what examples there are.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

People listing their disappointment in released content is not the same thing as making wild claims that the Development team promised something and did not deliver. I did not see anyone suggest in the PotD complaint threads (which are all very valid criticisms) make such a claim.

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I gave examples of where the dev team promised something and didn't deliver. I also gave examples where people hyped something up and it didn't live up to expectations. Where is the confusion then? . I'm giving examples to exactly what you are asking for.

So yes, people assumed quite a bit about Palace of the Dead. When it was finally released, it wasn't as expected so people used their own personal revisionist history to 'believe' that the devs promised them something that in all actuality they never did. The hype just ran rampant till it nearly became accepted as fact.

On a random, but similar tangent: Nowhere in the original series of Star Trek does anyone say "Beam me up, Scotty!" However, folk lore says other wise.

(sorry for the off topic)

Now for some things that bear repeating..

Thancred first calls himself a bard. Even though he, up to 2.2 quite obviously used gladiator skills, now he's been called a rogue and looks like one when he draws his weapons. Which happen to be a sword and a dagger, something we as players are incapable of equipping.

Y'shtola has been referred to as a Conjurer, though she's quite often uses Collective Unconscious, which is an AST skill.

Urianger is an Arcanist, however he wields a staff which is not possible by player Arcanists, (though in the 3.4 story during his brief costume change he uses a book). He also summons an Amber carbuncle, which as the lorebook states that only he has been able to do, since nobody else can get the matrix to work.

Alphinaud is an Arcanist, and as such wields a book. However, he summons an onyx carbuncle, which is again something we as players are unable to do.

Raubhan is a gladiator, and before his injury, used to dual wield swords. Though player gladiators are relegated to a single sword and shield.

Merlwyb has never had her class/job announced, however she dual wields pistols.

Quite a few Yellowjackets and Sky pirates dualwield a sword and a pistol, which is also something we as players are incapable of doing.

What I'm getting at is, it has been confirmed that we will meet this girl in 3.5. Her single bladed gauntlet and weighted fabric (there isn't a blade there) may be something she just 'does' like the rest of these special characters. However, the skills she uses are very similar to skills that monks are capable of doing. First of Wind, Shoulder Tackle, Tornado kick, ect. So that leans heavily in the direction of she is a monk.

My personal opinion, is if she were a dancer, she'd actually be using magical dances.. not sparing and meeting a monk, blow for blow.

Just to nag at a couple things...

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Thancred first calls himself a bard. Even though he, up to 2.2 quite obviously used gladiator skills, now he's been called a rogue and looks like one when he draws his weapons. Which happen to be a sword and a dagger, something we as players are incapable of equipping.

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Just because he calls himself a "Bard" doesn't mean he's referring to the combat support archers pioneered by the Job Tutor in XIV. He likely refers to himself more in the sense of a traditional poet or songwriter. So this is meaningless.

Sure Yoshi-P is both, but that doesn't mean every songsmith in Eorzea has to be a bowman.

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Y'shtola has been referred to as a Conjurer, though she's quite often uses Collective Unconscious, which is an AST skill.

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Personally not sure I've ever seen this...an ability which uses a similar animation maybe, but I'm not sure I've ever explicitly seen it as Collective Unconscious.

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Urianger is an Arcanist, however he wields a staff which is not possible by player Arcanists, (though in the 3.4 story during his brief costume change he uses a book). He also summons an Amber carbuncle, which as the lorebook states that only he has been able to do, since nobody else can get the matrix to work.

Alphinaud is an Arcanist, and as such wields a book. However, he summons an onyx carbuncle, which is again something we as players are unable to do.

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May change in 3.5, with the plan to (fingers crossed) implement the ability to glamour on different colored carbuncles for egis. Assuming the translation was correct. Granted they may all the same keep these colorations exclusive to these characters, but still.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Thancred first calls himself a bard. Even though he, up to 2.2 quite obviously used gladiator skills, now he's been called a rogue and looks like one when he draws his weapons. Which happen to be a sword and a dagger, something we as players are incapable of equipping.

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Allow me to just point out all he's using is a mix between a recolored High Allagan Dagger and a regular dagger, not a sword and a dagger. We still can't mix and match which would be cool, but they are both rogue weapons.

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

Just to nag at a couple things...



Just because he calls himself a "Bard" doesn't mean he's referring to the combat support archers pioneered by the Job Tutor in XIV. He likely refers to himself more in the sense of a traditional poet or songwriter. So this is meaningless.


Sure Yoshi-P is both, but that doesn't mean every songsmith in Eorzea has to be a bowman.


Personally not sure I've ever seen this...an ability which uses a similar animation maybe, but I'm not sure I've ever explicitly seen it as Collective Unconscious.


May change in 3.5, with the plan to (fingers crossed) implement the ability to glamour on different colored carbuncles for egis. Assuming the translation was correct. Granted they may all the same keep these colorations exclusive to these characters, but still.

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That was my point on the bard thing. In no way was he a player character bard. He just called himself that, and used gladiator skills.

The first time Y'shtola uses it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4My...=youtu.be&t=10

Another time she uses it (about 10 minutes in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEx3f3sJFME

I mean.. really? You want to say that this isn't the AST skill collective unconciousness?

Yes, we 'may' get egi glamours in 3.5. However, 'currently' those carbuncles are character specific and original to them.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Allow me to just point out all he's using is a mix between a recolored High Allagan Dagger and a regular dagger, not a sword and a dagger. We still can't mix and match which would be cool, but they are both rogue weapons.

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Forgive my oversight. However, as you said: we cannot mix and match equipment. Which was my point.

Been waiting what..3 years now to bishslap lalas silly with Tachi: Gekko on sam....and now..I keep hearing the d-word? No. No. NO. NO! No no no no no no no! No!. Just...no. Hell no!.HELL NO! I'll be damned to suffer another FF with a poorman's healer dancin jigs all over the place. Next they'll ressurrect pup and make us fight with our minions. Its gotta sthap Yoshi..its just gotta.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

You asked for both. You said and I quote:

I gave examples of where the dev team promised something and didn't deliver. I also gave examples where people hyped something up and it didn't live up to expectations. Where is the confusion then? . I'm giving examples to exactly what you are asking for.

So yes, people assumed quite a bit about Palace of the Dead. When it was finally released, it wasn't as expected so people used their own personal revisionist history to 'believe' that the devs promised them something that in all actuality they never did. The hype just ran rampant till it nearly became accepted as fact.

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You said that people will make stuff up and claim the devs promised it and then rage that the devs didn't deliver on the made up promise.

You then provided 1 example of people being upset about something that had nothing to do with made up promises.
You then listed several examples of the devs breaking actual promises.

There was no examples listed of someone making up a promise and then holding the devs accountable to it.

If there is a specific example of people who believed the devs promised something that they didn't, and then raged that it wasn't implemented, I'm all for seeing the example. Telling me that people were upset with PotD implementation is not an example of this.