New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

Actually, there are quite a few places built into the game for new zone connections. Griffin Crossing, the incomplete big bridge of the eponymous fight, just needs a bit more to be opened up for a zone connection, for example. I would be surprised if we didn't get some of the 1.0 Coerthas zones back: http://www.ffxivinfo.com/images/maps...s-coerthas.jpg

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Originally Posted by Magis

Basically this. People complaining they have to play the game to get stuff.

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There are things you should need to work for, and there are things that should be provided to you so you can DO the work.

I feel that new jobs fall into the latter category, both from a perspective of maximizing fun, and also in appealing to new players considering joining the game. New jobs shouldn't be a reward for getting the job done. They should be an alternative tool FOR getting the job done.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

There are things you should need to work for, and there are things that should be provided to you so you can DO the work.

I feel that new jobs fall into the latter category, both from a perspective of maximizing fun, and also in appealing to new players considering joining the game. New jobs shouldn't be a reward for getting the job done. They should be an alternative tool FOR getting the job done.

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I would only agree to this in the context of a game where the job choice is explicitly decided upon character creation. Take, for example, WOW. You want to play another job? Tough. Roll another character.

FFXIV does not apply, as you can play any role merely by swapping weapons. In truth, FFXI didn't apply either.

Introducing access to new special abilities, on the other hand, makes perfect sense to be locked behind certain rites of passage.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

It is a commonly accepted guess, but just a guess. Basically, since there are no zones that could bring to new areas (or does SE intend to just slice off mountains in Coerthas Central Highlands?) the assumption everyone makes is that once in Ishgard, you will get your flying mount, and with it access the other areas otherwise unreachable. "zoning" probably will not work with flying (unless they plan to patch the sky with those blue trails?), so we're assuming that Heavensturn will be more of one large open world, similar to 1.0, with areas on several levels and accessible through flying.

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This isn't true though. Coerthas Western Highlands is known to be in the expansion and it lies directly behind Snowcloak where there is already a path through the glacier ready to be opened when the expansion launches. Griffen Crossing in Coerthas is also an obvious crossing into one of the expansion regions; the bridge will just be 'fixed' when the expansion launches and suddenly you can cross into the new region.

All discussion from the devs so far has specified Ishgard as being gated behind the 2.55 story completion. I have seen no mention anywhere of the new regions within the expansion being gated as well. In theory the floating continent and other such regions would be story gated simply because you would need to unlock the flying mount from the 3.0 main scenario to get there, but the terrestrial regions should be open to anyone that has the expansion.

With regards to the jobs I'm not sure how I feel about them being in Ishgard (which is what Yoshi has stated so there's no real discussion to be had about if they will be gated now). For most players it will make no difference but for new players it may be a source of frustration.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

There are things you should need to work for, and there are things that should be provided to you so you can DO the work.

I feel that new jobs fall into the latter category, both from a perspective of maximizing fun, and also in appealing to new players considering joining the game. New jobs shouldn't be a reward for getting the job done. They should be an alternative tool FOR getting the job done.

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You're implying you aren't given this? You are given 10 jobs to choose from to "complete the job". There already is a tank, healer, and dps type job for players to choose from (with a minimum of 2 to choose from within each role). Assuming that these are indeed gated, it is just the next step along the progression line of your character (since everything is done on one char). You want the more advance jobs? Then do the very minimal work needed to get access to them.

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Originally Posted by Valkrist

If you played the game back in beta, you got access to every job regardless of quests.

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Back in Beta, you could only play base classes. No jobs. Only legacy players could play with their legacy chacacters jobs as long they unlocked them during 1.0.

Just add a 'sneak into Ishgard and check out what's happening for, uh, reasons' quest at level 30 for anyone who hasn't completed 2.55 yet.

Nothing in there really for low level people except the new jobs and it's a very messy solution, but then again, the reason I can wander around Ul'dah post 2.55 isn't exactly super convincing either. Gameplay/story segregation, just suspend that disbelief a little higher in the name of fun.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

This isn't true though. Coerthas Western Highlands is known to be in the expansion and it lies directly behind Snowcloak where there is already a path through the glacier ready to be opened when the expansion launches. Griffen Crossing in Coerthas is also an obvious crossing into one of the expansion regions; the bridge will just be 'fixed' when the expansion launches and suddenly you can cross into the new region.

All discussion from the devs so far has specified Ishgard as being gated behind the 2.55 story completion. I have seen no mention anywhere of the new regions within the expansion being gated as well. In theory the floating continent and other such regions would be story gated simply because you would need to unlock the flying mount from the 3.0 main scenario to get there, but the terrestrial regions should be open to anyone that has the expansion.

With regards to the jobs I'm not sure how I feel about them being in Ishgard (which is what Yoshi has stated so there's no real discussion to be had about if they will be gated now). For most players it will make no difference but for new players it may be a source of frustration.

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In the case of Coerthas Western Highlands, as you say, the Main Scenario, as well as random NPC banter, takes pains to note Snowcloak is currently impassable. The discovery of Iceheart's tunnels was a significant surprise. Because of this, I think this area will likely also be gated behind storyline, at least up until the point you reach Shiva in the Main Scenario storyline. From that point on, only then does it start to make sense to use Snowcloak's tunnels as a gateway to CWH. They COULD get around this by modifying Main Scenario dialogue, and changing Iceheart's tunnels to be offshoots from the main path through Snowcloak, or something, and thereby making CWH accessable from the get-go. Time will tell!

As for the "no real discussion to be had about if" bit, I'm still hoping that the part about gated jobs will turn out to be Yoshi P saying things that are actually going to be totally not what he said, like the whole housing debacle only with the truth winding up being a GOOD thing (access to jobs without Main Scenario) rather than BAD (housing is NOT going to be less expensive than Free Company housing and will be incredibly limited in availability). Not gonna call Yoshi P a liar, but clearly he doesn't always understand the logistics of the things he promises. The Dev team had to rein him in on his housing promises - maybe the marketing team will point out the impending disaster in locking all the "cool factor" in the expansion behind months of casual play.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

I feel that new jobs fall into the latter category, both from a perspective of maximizing fun, and also in appealing to new players considering joining the game. New jobs shouldn't be a reward for getting the job done. They should be an alternative tool FOR getting the job done.

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Yes, you're totally right. Let's make the advanced jobs easier to access than normal jobs!

In the same way, someone who was drew to FFXIV:ARR by the White Mage comes and realizes that he needs to labor through 30 levels of "work" and the main story at least up to Ifrit, and then wtfwhydoihavetolevelanarcanist, only after all that, he can play the White Mage.

So all those people who argue that new jobs should not be gated behind 2.55 story...are you also arguing for that all JOBs be available at level 1?