Au Ra physiology and other lore.

Honestly, everyone's going on about it being a W-sit, but the picture is so tiny I can't even be sure. It looks to me like her feet might just be under her, not splayed out to the side in a W?

It's a bit tough to make out, but it's either the W sit or cross-legged. It won't quite be the straw that breaks the camel's back if it's the former, but it's not helping.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

It's a bit tough to make out, but it's either the W sit or cross-legged. It won't quite be the straw that breaks the camel's back if it's the former, but it's not helping.

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I dunno if it's cross legged I'll be much more fine with it! It's at least not hella more like W sitting is.

Girls please stop complaining xD. Have you seen how male miqotes sit >_<. It looks like we are on a hunting position hahahaha.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Girls please stop complaining xD. Have you seen how male miqotes sit >_<. It looks like we are on a hunting position hahahaha.

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I dunno squatting at least looks cool, like you're on the prowl hunting! W sitting kinda makes you look like you're either a young child or like just had something utterly decimate you emotionally and you've collapsed.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Girls please stop complaining xD. Have you seen how male miqotes sit >_<. It looks like we are on a hunting position hahahaha.

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And I dearly wish I had that sit. I want to look cool. :c

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Girls please stop complaining xD. Have you seen how male miqotes sit >_<. It looks like we are on a hunting position hahahaha.

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and are you not?

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Originally Posted by Keydah

And I dearly wish I had that sit. I want to look cool. :c

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I would love that sit too!

>All these people claiming the "W" sit is too uncomfortable and breaks their character immersion somehow.
>The same people want the crouch; that is the single most uncomfortable "sitting" position ever devised

Mi'qote players really are the worst.

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Originally Posted by Sabeta

>All these people claiming the "W" sit is too uncomfortable and breaks their character immersion somehow.
>The same people want the crouch; that is the single most uncomfortable "sitting" position ever devised

Mi'qote players really are the worst.

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It's a squat, I can believe an adult can squat much easier than an adult can sit in the "W" sit.

And I may play a Miqo'te, but I love Roegadyn the most!

Squatting / crouching is far more comfortable for an adult than the "W" position. Only children can really bend like that, lol, and it's not healthy to do anyway. Squatting takes some balance, but otherwise isn't uncomfortable, and crouching is extremely practical; both also have the body language of an active, responsive person. The "W" is designed to make them look as childish (moé) as possible... which really, really irritates people who want to play a mature Auri woman.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

and are you not?

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I just tried to said that is not confortable either lol ><

I've no clue what everyone is going on with "W" position being uncomfortable. I'm six foot and it feels perfectly natural to sit like that for 10 minutes or so. Crouching on the other hand gets painful after five.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

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I warned you about the moé bro! I told you dog! :y Anyways, at least /sit /cpose is a thing.. R-right?!

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You need to work on your thighs and calves then :P I can sit in a "W" position for hardly any time at all before it gets incredibly uncomfortable, but squatting is pretty easy and I can sit like that for a good while.

Well, as long as we're refuring to sitting positions IRL, I've actually managed to learn how to sit in the Japenese Saiza position for upwards of half an hour with out having to move.

I know Japenese people can sit that way for longer but I say 30-45 minutes is an accomplishment for an American.

Whelp, it's not exactly W position.. But I'm not sure how that even is possible

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/b...blog/kd006.png

Correction, that's still the W position, and it's quite possible, it just looks uncomfortable as ever http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KlkVM_b7Of...0/46728956.jpg

I actually decided to do some research on the "W" sitting position. And, I didn't find any 100% source that states that it's unquestionably bad for your children/you. It can be bad. But anything can be bad. Now I can't comfortably sit in the "W" position: I am not flexible (and very fat), but I went and asked my sister who is a Cheerleader and she sat in the position just fine. She only said it was uncomfortable when she was getting up. I even found quite a few more japanese models who were using the "w" sit too.

I wouldn't use "it looks uncomfortable" as a reason against it though. Because to me even knowing I find it uncomfortable the position doesn't look uncomfortable to me at all.

For example;
http://i.minus.com/i83GIHXtWF9Nu.jpg
This look uncomfortable as all hell (and bothers me on a very deep and personal level).

Perhaps Au Ra are really flexible?

Yeah... its a pretty silly way for siting. Fortunately they should have another sitting pose.

Well... /sigh.

It is possible to sit in that position, even if you're an adult, but unless you're really flexible it's uncomfortable as all hell (I tried again and managed it, sort of). Adult knees aren't designed to bend that way. Even if you can sit that way, it serves no practical purpose. Compare the time it takes to get up and respond from the W to a squat / crouching position.

... so again, it goes back to having Auri women be as moé moé as possible for it's own sake, which is something I vehemently disagree with. Not the straw that breaks the camel's back, but I'm quite glad I have a male design on backup.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

... so again, it goes back to having Auri women be as moé moé as possible for it's own sake, which is something I vehemently disagree with. Not the straw that breaks the camel's back, but I'm quite glad I have a male design on backup.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

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Or it could be a common sitting pose in japan like seiza? The W pose does actually have a practical purpose; it's more balanced then a regular sitting. I didn't find it longer to get out of; and it definitely wasn't longer to get out from regular sitting on the floor for my sister. If a bunch of Japanese girls, who I kinda doubt are all super flexible, can do it then I really don't think anything of us can say you "need" to be especially flexible.

If you don't want to play a female Au Ra, that's fine, but I don't see why you are wagging your finger at Square Enix for continuing to do what they have done for all the females. All the girls have their "moe moe~" factor as you put it. And really we've had a good idea how the female Au Ra were going to be since 2.3 seeing as they used a female miqo'te as a placeholder for Yugiri until the Au Ra female model/skeleton/animations were finished.

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Originally Posted by lilirulu

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My thoughts exactly,
I think the pose is fine and fits perfectly with the direction SE has already been heading with Au Ra motions being quiet feminine / refined or as people have stated moe'.
Further more nothing that has been shown to us over the past couple of months through Yugiri or the preview clips Au Ra have lead (at least to me) that Au Ra would be in anyway fierce High Hyur/Roegadyn warrior women.

For the moment SE has been faithful to their own perception of how they planed to make the Au Ra and it just might be that their ideal perception of a refine mature auri women actions on mannerism differ greatly from ours - because it is different, it's an entirely different culture which we have no information on. Right now all we can do is wait until more information is released.
Personally i have no problems with the W sitting position, as you have to understand there are very few sitting positions people can take which is different than the ones used by other races and of major difference that people have failed to take into consideration is that Au Ra have tails, the W position might actually be very comfortable compared to other sitting positions.
(Much much less flexible tails than Miqo'te, allot less tail sway - you can see it in the running/walking animations)

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Originally Posted by lilirulu

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Ehh, we all knew they were going to be kind of cute when they first showed off the female Au Ra models. I'm totally OK with that. There's a significant difference between "cute" and "moéblob," though. Cute is just... y'know, cute. Moé implies child-like weakness to the degree they need to be protected; not exactly befitting an adventurer. I don't mind a little cuteness, but if moé was the aesthetic in mind when designing every aspect of Auri women... rrgh. That isn't exactly befitting of an adventurer, wouldn't you agree?

Not all the women (yes, women, not girls) have cutesy charms. I chose a female Highlander for a reason, and female Roegadyn are similarly lacking in cutesy charm. Now I don't want the Auri women to be tough and intimidating like those women, and am totally fine with their stature and body mass (it actually makes more sense than the males'). Even so, a woman out adventuring shouldn't have body language that screams "Protect me!"

Again, it's not the straw that breaks the camel's back. It is, however, pushing me closer towards playing a male instead.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

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Pretty much this entire argument is shut-down by both male and female lalafells; which look identical to children. There's even a Roe in Gridania who keeps pestering a Lalafell saying he'll protect her, and the lala pointing out that she's not a child and doesn't need to be protected. Just because Auri look moe it won't change their ability or lore reasons to become Adventurers. Even among adventurers though there are the ones that need protecting. I will be switching to an Au'Ra and playing a healer. This fits perfectly within the Moe theme for the race, as the "big strong tank" will be protecting me from the baddies, while the rough-and-tumble players work together towards slaughtering it.

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Yeah I agree. I though they'd be closer to an Elezen's "elegant" emotes since they've said they've designed to be "elegant and mysterious" as stated by Yoshi P and crew. From the emotes we've seen thus far ... I just don't see it.

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Yeah I agree. I though they'd be closer to an Elezen's "elegant" emotes since they've said they've designed to be "elegant and mysterious" as stated by Yoshi P and crew. From the emotes we've seen thus far ... I just don't see it.

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They were designed to be the kind of girls you want to protect and shy.

https://imagemacros.wordpress.com/fi.../notsure-1.jpg

Anyone who is not extremely obese or like 90 years old can sit like that... unless maybe you have some prosthetic legs or something...

I'm a 6'1 30 year old Male and I have absolutly no problem sitting like that.

I keep coming back to the fact that Miqo'te are hunters by nature, and some of them are quite feral, but they generally have cutesy animations and whatnot.
I don't imagine it's any different for Au Ra.

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The last word I'd use to describe Au Ra is "Moe Blob" especially when we have the Lalafell. I've never seen "Moe" or "Moeblob" used as a way of implying anything other then the character is cute. It makes no sense to say any of the races are in need of protecting especially when it's canon a Lalafell can pick up an adult roegadyn male. Just because someone is cute/moe/whatever doesn't mean they are unable to protect themselves at all.

I may make smooshy faces at lalafell tanks and go on about how adorable they are but I never think they are any more or less capable at their job.

Continueing onto Au Ra: There is a nothing about the body language that is "protect me". If they were huddling, limping,in a defensive posture or clearly in distress all the time then sure I'd be like they are asking to be protected but they aren't.They are just cute women.

And I don't know about you but my highlander alt is incredibly adorable:

http://i.minus.com/iXqpbnDBeLdnc.png
http://i.minus.com/ijzFzL1nQ8iZf.png

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Moé. Edjumucate youselfs. Bam!

... doesn't that sound an awful lot like the stated direction of Au Ra women being designed to be "someone you want to protect" and "shy," and line up pretty clearly with their body language as has been shown thus far?

There isn't anything stating any race / sex is inherently more suited to adventuring, but Auri women have that moé aesthetic going on. It's not just height or body mass, now it's about body language - and what little we've seen of it thus far doesn't exactly engender itself to a strong, independent adventurer. 'course, that's not going to stop me from playing a gruff, no-nonsense female Au Ra Dark Knight... but the body language juxtaposed with the attitude is weird.

Look at a character like Lightning from XIII: tough and independent, and she has the attitude and body language to match. That's not too much to ask for, is it?

Anyway, off-topic but I designed my female Highlander to be a tough but still beautiful woman. Not cute, adorable, moé, or pretty, but a "realistically" beautiful woman you'd still see out on the battlefield. (Overdid it on the hair / eye colors, but the hair color grew on me and I can't change the eyes without a Fantasia... and fixing muh eyes is not worth $10.)

Just going to point out that W-sitting, aka Wariza (割座), is the traditional informal sitting style for Japanese women, so at least since the Raen are from Doma, it kinda makes sense for the females to use it.

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Just going to point out that W-sitting, aka Wariza (割座), is the traditional informal sitting style for Japanese women, so at least since the Raen are from Doma, it kinda makes sense for the females to use it.

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That... actually does make sense. For the Raen, at least. I suppose if you're brought up to sit like that, you can do it more easily and it's more comfortable, lol.

Where even was it stated Au Ra females are supposed to be someone you want to protect? I went looking for a source but I couldn't find one anywhere in english.

Good... question, actually. I've never seen an official source.

Best guess is one of the Super Nico FATEs, which are A) broadcasted on Nico Nico Douga, B) not archived or translated, and C) only have information gleaned from them internationally by fans who translate what they catch and post up on social media.

It's how we know the Au Ra were patterned after demons, not dragons.

The only outright statement I can find on Au Ra being moeblobs is this summary of the GameWatch interview during the European tour. Translation seems fishy though, considering that another translation contradicts it on points like the Succubi image of female Au Ra. First guy did admittedly warn for mistakes as well. :p

That said, I suppose the full game will tell us the whole basic personality of female Au Ra!

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Originally Posted by Cilia

It's how we know the Au Ra were patterned after demons, not dragons.

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We've gotten a lot of conflicting information even on that though! Like the whole Race_Dragon thing with their concept art suggests otherwise.

Ultimately, their mannerisms convey a certain look and IMHO it's pretty in line with that "Moe"

Still wishing SE did clan differences >_>

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Originally Posted by lilirulu

Where even was it stated Au Ra females are supposed to be someone you want to protect? I went looking for a source but I couldn't find one anywhere in english.

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Yep, never actually heard it from Yoshida during lives event. May have been in some interview though.
But well, I would like more choices for races reactions and poses. It's not like cute is in the genes of a race. Lalafell and miqo'te got almost overly cute pose and stuff for everythings, but don't really fit characters like Y'shtola or Lolorito.

What I know for sure about the Xaela is they are a wild and warring race, I would find it weird if we got only moe option for said warriors.

Especially since the Au'ra I intend to play look like this ^^'

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/49...2712062282.jpg
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/826469auraperso.jpg

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The only outright statement I can find on Au Ra being moeblobs is this summary of the GameWatch interview during the European tour. Translation seems fishy though, considering that another translation contradicts it on points like the Succubi image of female Au Ra. First guy did admittedly warn for mistakes as well. :p

That said, I suppose the full game will tell us the whole basic personality of female Au Ra!

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Ah, thanks for the sources!

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... but, though the second one is much clearer that the first, it's still translated from (probably) Japanese, and there's no direct translation for moé. "Reserved and shy" could be the best the translator could come up with. I don't mind if they have shy and reserved body language (I'm pretty shy and reserved myself...), but I'll be just a tad miffed if all their body language was designed with moé in mind. I understand it's a Japanese game by Japanese developers and that's popular in Japan... but it still aggravates me.

Maybe overreacting. We (still, gods-dammit!) don't know how they function in society or what any of their emotes are like beyond the ones in the Benchmark and the W-sit (which, does make sense for the Raen, at least). Still, signs are not favorable. Not going to stop me (my Auri woman will protect you, not the other way around), but it's still just a little unsettling.

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We've gotten a lot of conflicting information even on that though! Like the whole Race_Dragon thing with their concept art suggests otherwise.

Ultimately, their mannerisms convey a certain look and IMHO it's pretty in line with that "Moe"

Still wishing SE did clan differences >_>

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The Race_Dragon was from a piece of concept art... I don't take that at face value. Plus the official website neither outright confirms nor denies their relationship to dragons...

Beginning to wish they had done clan differences at this point as well (if only for emotes), but well, what's done is done. I understand why they didn't, but if the Xaela are supposed to be rough-and-tumble tribal nomads it really doesn't make much sense for them to have the moé-flavored mannerisms of the Raen.

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The thing is the Race_Dragon (Specifically like this one! http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/umadori07...5/c5d55c96.jpg ) has the closest design to the current thing. Either way! We don't really know for sure, and it's still up in the air.

At this point I wish they'd do one of two things. Add a third clan that doesn't look so moe with the women (Highly unlikely, I know but a girl can dream can't she?) or in a future patch make it so I could as least have a little toggle switch for the Xaela to have tough emotes or cutesy ones along with greater height options and a muscle slider (Also highly unlikely, but a girl can still dream!)

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At this point I wish they'd do one of two things. Add a third clan that doesn't look so moe with the women (Highly unlikely, I know but a girl can dream can't she?) or in a future patch make it so I could as least have a little toggle switch for the Xaela to have tough emotes or cutesy ones along with greater height options and a muscle slider (Also highly unlikely, but a girl can still dream!)

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Like I've said before, I really don't mind if they're cute, or comparatively lacking in stature or body mass. It's actually more sensible than the males. What I do mind is their body language saying nothing but "I'm too weak to protect myself, so can you please protect me?" ... or at least, what we've seen of it thus far.

I don't mind if there are cute females in the game. That's totally OK. When their whole design concept is "How moé can we make them?", then it starts to bother me. Inherently moé appearances can be overcome with clever design; body language, on the other hand, cannot.

Here's hoping the rest of their emotes aren't saccharine and cutesy...