NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

The only dot SMN gets is Enkindle, so that's kinda a poor analogy. >_>

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so you mean I'm not even playing a summoner? I'm playing some dirty Arcanist? RAGE FK THAT I WANT MY NECROMANCER!

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

The only dot SMN gets is Enkindle, so that's kinda a poor analogy. >_>

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I am curious as to what you think a dot actually is.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

I am curious as to what you think a dot actually is.

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It's a Damage Over Time ability. Of the abilities unique to SMN (not ACN abilities) the only one with a dot component is Enkindle. Summon III, Fester, Spur, and Tri-disaster certainly aren't dots. I mean, I guess Garuda's Enkindle move doesn't have a dot, but Ifrit's does and Titan's kinda does.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

It's a Damage Over Time ability. Of the abilities unique to SMN (not ACN abilities) the only one with a dot component is Enkindle. Summon III, Fester, Spur, and Tri-disaster certainly aren't dots. I mean, I guess Garuda's Enkindle move doesn't have a dot, but Ifrit's does and Titan's kinda does.

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If your not counting arcanists DoT's you post makes alot more sense hahaha

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Originally Posted by Orihara_Izaya

If your not counting arcanists DoT's you post makes alot more sense hahaha

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Well, I mean, yeah. I thought that was obvious if you read the three posts together. >_>

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

Well, I was simplifying it. Personally I wanted thief for primarily nostalgic reasons. Most of my favorite characters throughout the series are Thieves, and it is what I played in XI. I will likely level Rogue and might even give Ninja a whirl, but the Mudra concept does not give off the Thief "vibe" in any way, which is what will be lacking.

Think of it this way. Your main class (at time of this post) is displayed as Lancer. If there was another job that utilized spears that didn't integrate jumps and have the Dragoon "feel" it wouldn't be the same as playing Dragoon.

While you may think that THF was never exciting, but it was something I used extensively in every FF that it was represented in.

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I kind of get it, since i picked DRG, cause its AF looks awesome :) and it's good DD, and all that. But it's rather boring, that all it adds is Jumps.
It doesn't even have that special feeling, since it's singular purpose is to kill dragons...and we don't get any traits to that end, like in XI. I can imagine and visualize DRG as something spectacular, but the play-style of XIV doesn't support that vision. I want to play a DRG, not imagine a DRG; neither the AF or Jumps, will make it fun in the long run.
I'm trying to not be nostalgic either, cause it usually leads to ppl getting blinded by the past, instead of moving forward.
I'm actually looking for reasons to switch main to something else than DRG, because it doesn't do anything else than jump. So i will go NIN, cause it seems to give lots more complexity/options/versatility.
But with lv cap increase, we'll get both new class/job skills which might change what i want to play, again.
Also, i don't see why you consider mudras to be something *that's in the way* I don't know what your relation is to Zidane, but...him transforming and Trancing, and using those crazy Limitbreaks....is hardly Thief-like. Mudras could be used to hide your presence, or whatever. Also FF games are full of characters that are multi-job; Kimahri is LNC/BLU, Rydia was SMN/WHM? stuff like that. Did that ruin the feel?
Also it depends on where the character comes from. Thieves in Limsa, wouldn't use Mudras, but Thieves where Yugiri comes from, would? since that's where Mudras were developed. Each character, in every FF game, has always been different, and made THF a little different. It's not any different here.
But if Gunner branched off into Vincent, and you could shapeshift, i'd be on that in an instant haha. That could make for lots of fun; could be one of those hybrid jobs, that Yoshi mentioned :)

TL; DR: Rogue will be fun, adapt and enjoy :)

The really fun part is that I'm sure almost everyone who played Thief in FFXI probably went for THF/NIN so they were casting Jutsus all the time :p

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

The really fun part is that I'm sure almost everyone who played Thief in FFXI probably went for THF/NIN so they were casting Jutsus all the time :p

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shut your whore mouth sir! if a single Jutsu is done then everything else I do in combat is meaningless! Stealthing in for the backstab with my daggers after casting a jutsu to make myself do more damage!?!?!?! MADNESS

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Originally Posted by Radacci

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TL; DR: Rogue will be fun, adapt and enjoy :)

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Side note: Zidane is my least favorite Thief character in the series. I actually disliked IX on the whole, but I'm weird like that...

As to everything else, in the end I will give it a chance and see what I think since it is the class I was most looking forward to when I started playing. Who knows, maybe I will be surprised and actually enjoy it, only time will tell. My greater point is that many players, myself included, were disappointed (not raging...) by the announcement, and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

The really fun part is that I'm sure almost everyone who played Thief in FFXI probably went for THF/NIN so they were casting Jutsus all the time :p

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Only on occasion for solo content. THF/WAR was way more fun

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

Only on occasion for solo content. THF/WAR was way more fun

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thf/dnc ftw

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

Side note: Zidane is my least favorite Thief character in the series. I actually disliked IX on the whole, but I'm weird like that...

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Yeah... if by weird you mean WRONG!!!!! : D

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Yeah... if by weird you mean WRONG!!!!! : D

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Let me blow your mind even more: I think VII is wholly overrated and is my least favorite in the series.

I wonder if the musketeer guild is being replaced with the rogue guild since basically all the citystates will have 2 war and 1 magic class and by adding an extra class to Lisma alone it would break that balance.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

The really fun part is that I'm sure almost everyone who played Thief in FFXI probably went for THF/NIN so they were casting Jutsus all the time :p

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/nin was the sign of every bad thief in the game. Just as noticeable as someone playing loldrg or full timing hecatomb.

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

Let me blow your mind even more: I think VII is wholly overrated and is my least favorite in the series.

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Either you are:

A. A contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian.
B. Super over-analytical of video games.
C. The coolest person I have ever seen, met, or heard of before in my life.

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

Let me blow your mind even more: I think VII is wholly overrated and is my least favorite in the series.

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You'll blow my mind if you found VIII to be your favourite.

I personally have a difficult time choosing which is worse between VIII and XIII.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

You'll blow my mind if you found VIII to be your favourite.

I personally have a difficult time choosing which is worse between VIII and XIII.

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VIII and XII are my favorite FF games.

I also agree with the sentiment that VII is the most overrated game of all time.

Not even remotely trolling.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

You'll blow my mind if you found VIII to be your favourite.

I personally have a difficult time choosing which is worse between VIII and XIII.

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VIII is my favourite. No joke. People hated the junction system, but I thought it was awesome. Somewhat reminiscent of FFVI's stats system (once you obtained Espers), although you had to actually have the spells in your "spell inventory" to utilize them.

Also, the coolest thing ever: http://www.finalfantasy500.com/500/c.../diabolos1.jpg

Well VIII is my personal favourite also...it has probably the most "real" main character and it's really well written (the bad part is, as good as Squall's character development is....it came with the cost of having no character development for the rest of the party).

And yes....IX is probably my least liked FF game

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Originally Posted by Erudain

Well VIII is my personal favourite also...it has probably the most "real" main character and it's really well written (the bad part is, as good as Squall's character development is....it came with the cost of having no character development for the rest of the party).

And yes....IX is probably my least liked FF game

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the only reason FFIX is awesome :

http://www.mrwallpaper.com/wallpaper...al-fantasy.jpg

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Originally Posted by Radacci

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think Dragoon is boring. Better stop now. High jump and super jump incoming as new skills.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Either you are:

A. A contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian.
B. Super over-analytical of video games.
C. The coolest person I have ever seen, met, or heard of before in my life.

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I'll go with C. ;)

VII was actually the first I played, and at the time I really enjoyed it. Replaying it later after playing through several previous games it just felt off. Never really could put my finger on exactly why...

FFT and IV are my favorites. GLD -> DRK as homage to Cecil {Can I have it?}