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10-07-2021, 10:33 AM
Nishira

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

YOU set them up for a wipe because you want to be someone’s hero. Someone who may not even necessarily want you to do as you are. YOU being capable of helping but choosing not to is what causes the wipe. All because you need to flex your moral superiority

It has nothing to do with wanting to look a certain way. If I perceive certain behaviour as impatient, selfish and/or rude, I’ll definitely not participate in it, let alone encourage it. I’m guessing it’s simply the same way for Talera. Instead of arguing about that, take a minute to consider why someone might find that rude, and try understand their pov. You don’t have to agree but at least you can maybe see there are different perspectives, and therefore different choices. No more, no less.
10-07-2021, 10:39 AM
Kolaina

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Originally Posted by Nishira

It has nothing to do with wanting to look a certain way. If I perceive certain behaviour as impatient, selfish and/or rude, I’ll definitely not participate in it, let alone encourage it. I’m guessing it’s simply the same way for Talera. Instead of arguing about that, take a minute to consider why someone might find that rude, and try understand their pov. You don’t have to agree but at least you can maybe see there are different perspectives, and therefore different choices. No more, no less.

1 wipes a party to make a point. Doesn’t matter the POV. It’s a punishment. A choice. Can’t convince me at all it’s justified.
10-07-2021, 10:48 AM
Iscah

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Originally Posted by Roeshel

Go open the loot boxes once the duty is complete and everyone has left. You will get all the loot for yourself.

Only if nobody opened the chests along the way. Once they're open they're on the five-minute timer.

The thing people seem to miss is that you don't have to stand at the treasure chest. There's a button on your screen for the loot roll menu, and all that interacting with the open treasure chest does is open the same menu.
10-07-2021, 10:51 AM
Nishira

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

1 wipes a party to make a point. Doesn’t matter the POV. It’s a punishment. A choice. Can’t convince me at all it’s justified.

The funny thing is, nothing justifies to me acting in a rude manner to someone who doesn’t deserve it. And that’s exactly how I perceive someone pulling while a new player is watching a cutscene. So your choice is as unjustified to me, as mine would be to you :) If you want to say it’s about principle, then accept exactly the same thing applies to the other.
10-07-2021, 10:58 AM
Kolaina

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Originally Posted by Nishira

The funny thing is, nothing justifies to me acting in a rude manner to someone who doesn’t deserve it. And that’s exactly how I perceive someone pulling while a new player is watching a cutscene. So your choice is as unjustified to me, as mine would be to you :) If you want to say it’s about principle, then accept exactly the same thing applies to the other.

So many people choose to ‘stand up’ for the person in cut scene. Does that person even want you to? Wiping a party, or doing any action knowingly leading to the wipe of a party is bad no matter how you justify it. Idc how many smiley emotes you type, you are the toxic griefer in doing so, choosing to punish people is always on the side of negativity.
10-07-2021, 01:16 PM
Jirah

Interesting topic many valid points and a lot of pointless defending. In conclusion, dungeon content is NOT suited currently to be paced like that, leveling instances and early dungeons may require to work apace, 80 dungeons do not and should not as it’s just pointless. Even if your a new tank/healer you have probably cleared harder content and if your new in 80s, then recommend leveling roulette.

Dungeons are rapid because they don’t offer anything else in terms of engagement, and if your against it your hindering your party for literally no reason. If you can clear ARR 50s dungeons you can sure as hell clear all 80s.
10-07-2021, 01:59 PM
kaynide

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Originally Posted by raelgun

maybe you should read the person I quoted, read the thread which fits the 'You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players', willingly not healing for the person I was quoting fits this, doesn't matter whom it was for.

Also are you really trying to represent the history of the game with that statement, you don't represent that position.

This was what you were replying to:

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

If we've got a newbie watching a cutscene, I stick with them outside the arena. If those who ran in can survive without heals until we get there, great. We'll join them when the cutscene is done or the game pulls us in. If not, then they can enjoy the walk of shame back and hopefully have learned something about manners.

You are really going to argue that there is a difference between a newbie watching a cutscene and a player patiently waiting for said newbie? Really?

And you are going to argue that the person waiting patiently is being disruptive because impatient players couldn’t wait 5-10 seconds and charged ahead? You are going to seriously argue on the side of impatience in a JAPANESE game? A country famous for patience and waiting in lines?
10-07-2021, 02:44 PM
Roeshel

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Originally Posted by MaxCarnage

If you are the healer, and you're not in cutscene, you should be ready, even if a dps is not. They ran in thinking that you were good to go, but you decide to be power hungry and try to play "god".

Not having a dps when you pull is not setting the party up to wipe. The healer refusing to participate because of their moral grandstanding is.

No matter how much you try and justify it, there is no justifying punishing people.

By the way, you choosing to not be ready at the boss is just that; a choice.

I am going to play god. DPS should learn their place. I don't need them to clear any dungeon or normal raid/trial for that matter. They are disposable and they should be well aware of that.

With that said, I will heal a DPS pulling if the tank is garbage.

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No matter how much you try and justify it, there is no justifying punishing people.

Say that to SE that puts 30min penalty on anyone who leaves a DF.
10-07-2021, 03:39 PM
FoxyAreku

Blame the devs for making all dungeons simple and easy with the same basic formula.

No one has a reason to go slow.

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I don't need them to clear any dungeon or normal raid/trial for that matter. They are disposable and they should be well aware of that.

Horrid mindset. A good dps is far more valuable (and more rare) than a tank or healer.

If they're bad though, kick away.
10-07-2021, 03:54 PM
Aron73

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Buts its ok to force veteran players to go slow???

I'm sorry but did you read my entire post or was I unclear in any way?
I clearly stated that I gladly do a wall-to-wall run in dungeons and raids with an experienced group so if you or anyone wish to do a speed run of the old content then plz sign me up.
So the short answer to your question is "No it is not ok"

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