Square Enix, please think about both Casual AND Hardcore crafters..

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Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

Have you ever considered that the reason these three solutions keep cropping up towards your arguments is because they are valid points?



But wait! You would still be competitive because using those OP skills are too easy right? You would still get your HQ stuff made and would be competitive.

Unless you don't think you can do it without those 4 skills I mentioned? (For the record is possible since I have challenged myself to do it).

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Challenged accepted.
https://i.imgur.com/7gJ7oHc.png

Not spec, no WN, no Prudent, no Delicate.. It's not exactly a challenge considering you can still macro it with 100% reliability, albeit higher stats, but that's the punishment for not even using Ingenuity.

"Just press less buttons" is not really a fun way of inducing challenges, you just keep pressing as few, and few buttons as possible until you eventually hit a roadblock to where you constrain yourself too much that it simply isn't possible to progress.

I really don't think there's even an argument to be made here. This isn't even 1 star crafting yet lol. But for the sake of argument we'll pretend it's now easier and not just because it's plain no star crafting.

How about they compromise. Keep everything like it is but add really hard to craft items for housing, clothing, etc which is what they'll do eventually anyway. Or add a "hard mode" button sort of like the synthesis one that makes the gear twice as hard to make and offers a slight bonus or something? Personally I prefer the way crafting is right now. (Remember it's no star crafting) It still takes enough work to do that not everyone wants to bother. I am FINALLY caught up to date on my gear. I haven't been playing since ARR beta or anything and started right after Stormblood came out and there were several humps that were nearly impossible for me to get over. I don't remember which levels they were at - maybe 50 or 60....possibly even that green lv. 70 gear: the Onishi and Nightsteel stuff. I did not have near enough materia to get over that hump nor enough gil to afford the materia and thankfully I found a method online where you can use your specialty class and those delineations to where you can infinitely use Heart of the "class" and Nymeia's wheel to gain back durability allowing you to essentially craft HQ gear from all NQ mats with crap gear lol. It was a pain and a long process but it allowed me to finally get over that hump. I didn't use it for anything else but that because it was too much of a pain. Even when Shadowbringers came out I didn't have full materia in my crafting gear and hardly any in my Gathering gear. Now with this lv. 80 crafting gear I'm finally caught up with most everyone else and can take my time gathering materia in order to stay up to date. It also seems like it's easier now to get crafting materia so that will help too.

Also, the expansion just came out and the crafting will get harder as it goes even with these new seemingly op abilities so keep that in mind. Personally I enjoy crafting but don't want to make a full time job of it. I can understand why some people want it to take more skill but let's be honest. Most people aren't like that. Usually you have a few really good crafters who come up with new ways to craft gear, create macros, do all the number theories stuff while everyone else just gets their gp high enough to copy and paste those macro's. I'm super glad that there's awesome crafters who are able to figure out all the things I can't. You'll make my life much more enjoyable so my thanks to you all.

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Originally Posted by Straynge

This isn't even 1 star crafting yet lol.

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We have 2 star crafts already. They're still trivial.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Challenged accepted.
https://i.imgur.com/7gJ7oHc.png

Not spec, no WN, no Prudent, no Delicate.. It's not exactly a challenge considering you can still macro it with 100% reliability, albeit higher stats, but that's the punishment for not even using Ingenuity.

"Just press less buttons" is not really a fun way of inducing challenges, you just keep pressing as few, and few buttons as possible until you eventually hit a roadblock to where you constrain yourself too much that it simply isn't possible to progress.

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This is a zero star craft. Again, of course it's easy. I did it with a two star craft.

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Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

Have you ever considered that the reason these three solutions keep cropping up towards your arguments is because they are valid points?

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They keep popping up because overconfident people who fundamentally don't understand this portion of the game mistake their feelings of certainty for actually having worthwhile thoughts they need to share.

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Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

This is a zero star craft. Again, of course it's easy. I did it with a two star craft.

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You cannot do Lv80** crafts, reliably HQ with the specification, at least not without ingenuity unless you are cheesing the craft in the first place with Whistle, in which case, said ability is a specialist action.

Something I wouldn't mind is a crafter only battle set. Doesn't have to be BiS savage, maybe 5ilv higher than the current, untradeable and far more difficult.

Small things like that could reward crafting without breaking the game.

And of course, shiny primal versions of current crafting tools that are also far more difficult and untradeable would be great.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

You cannot do Lv80** crafts, reliably HQ with the specification, at least not without ingenuity unless you are cheesing the craft in the first place with Whistle, in which case, said ability is a specialist action.

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What do ya all want? If its reliable it can be macro’d. If its not but still possible and doable the OP calls that a challenge, am I right?

Still waiting on the op to say if he/she can do my challenge of doing a two star recipe without those skills.

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Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

What do ya all want? If its reliable it can be macro’d. If its not but still possible and doable the OP calls that a challenge, am I right?

Still waiting on the op to say if he/she can do my challenge of doing a two star recipe without those skills.

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I mean sure but if you're going to invoke a manual rotation which involves the usage of Whistle to overcome that hurdle then you're already using a skill which is more busted than all of the aforementioned abilities (minus Ingenuity), collectively. That skill will trivialise any challenge you throw at it. At that point the only challenge you're imposing on yourself is learning how to properly use that skill.

With respect to doing it without Ingenuity nobody here is going to believe that on your fleeting word in any circumstance, especially taking into an account that the ability factors for 50%~ of the quality gain.

I think the issue with crafting is they would need to design it so that you would have to interact, press buttons, etc. in order to craft. It seems that they've been going away from this as a necessity, so not sure if they would turn around and change it all.

But I don't have any issues with a small group of recipes requiring a certain ilvl / crafting stats and allot of work to complete. I don't agree with making all recipies that, but a group of possible cosmetic pieces, perhaps even raid competitive gear (bound on pickup), things like that.

They could make crafting these items a bit more interesting with specific skills that trigger combo requirements with a timer. once you hit the skill, you have to hit a certain sequence of other skills before timer runs out. perhaps it's a random set from 4 specific skills, or a specific number you have to reach, stuff like that. very similar to how jobs need to time certain skills during a power window. that would make it more engaging for sure. But only for select recipes...just like in the rest of the game, it needs to be something not necessary for the game, but something that would reward you competitively.