Why Speed Pulls?

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Originally Posted by Sousoulsu

What you say in this post is that you have no response to my inquiry?
Why even post in the thread, then? What you posted is effectively spam.

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Oh believe me, it took 12 pages, I think, before I even finally worked up the energy to respond here. Again, see #2. This isn't the first thread about this. This isn't even the fifth one. And this isn't even the tenth time I've said/am saying exactly what I'm saying now. So let me at least try to make it somewhat interesting this time around:

No, you don't get the satisfaction of a counter-argument. I'm not going to bother giving you reasons - factual or opinion based - to attack or dispute. Keep the numbers and the rationalization. Seen it, heard it, still hate speedruns. No matter which class. And frankly, that seems like more of a problem for you than it is for me. I'd wonder why, but I have about as much interest in that as I do speedruns.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Oh believe me, it took 12 pages, I think, before I even finally worked up the energy to respond here. Again, see #2. This isn't the first thread about this. This isn't even the fifth one. And this isn't even the tenth time I've said/am saying exactly what I'm saying now. So let me at least try to make it somewhat interesting this time around:

No, you don't get the satisfaction of a counter-argument. I'm not going to bother giving you reasons - factual or opinion based - to attack or dispute. Keep the numbers and the rationalization. Seen it, heard it, still hate speedruns. No matter which class. And frankly, that seems like more of a problem for you than it is for me. I'd wonder why, but I have about as much interest in that as I do speedruns.

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Yet you take the time and effort to type to me about how little you care about the subject at hand.
If only I had the time to respond to a topic I don't care about~ Maybe then I'd appreciate slowrunning more! :3c

If it's a topic that's come up so frequently, it should be relatively clear to you that speedrunning is a play style choice in the community that will not go away. As players get better at the game over time, I expect to see anti-speedrunning sentiments to dwindle lower and lower. It's the natural progression of things like this in MMO communities.

While it is up to individual interpretation, I've responded civilly to everything in this thread. I am genuinely curious about why people opt to do single pulls rather than multi. You've contributed nothing to this inquiry, and are replying with spam.
{I'm sorry.}

The way I see it, for many dungeons tanks need to wait 5s to enter their duty, healers too, while DPS may have to wait more than 30min.
If the tank doesn't want to rush then: either 2 DPS need to kick him or 1 healer 1 DPS. As a result they'll have to wait a long time for a new tank to join their party. Or they can comply with the tank's rules because they want to finish that dugeon even if it lasts 5 more minutes :)

Basically, you have power over them, so do what you please as a tank. It doesn't matter if you think your decision is good or bad or that it doesn't even have a meaning to talk about good or bad, it's just that you are stronger and you decide...

Seriously, I'm a BLM and I have been abused many times by stupid tanks/healers and whatever I think, I just have to deal with it.

I could now tell you what I think about these attitudes but it would only be talking about human nature vs human ideals. Don't get me started :P

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Originally Posted by Sousoulsu

Choosing for a dungeon to fail when it is within your power to make it succeed? That sounds like [Harassment] :3c

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Nice try toots. You did that when you decided to put the tank shoes on the band-aid of the team... Don't blame the tank because you decided to step out of your role for your own selfish reasons. Play your role, not mine. If you want to tank as the healer, feel free, just give me a few seconds to pop some popcorn and get my drink, because that will be a very entertaining show.

Oh and feel free to vote kick me as a tank, because I'm sure :rolleyes: you'll find another as soon as I'm gone and I would not hesitate to file my own report...

Harassment works in many ways...

Dungeons are time consuming. If you've ran it more than once, and your gear is worth a darn, you should atleast pull mobs 2 groups at a time. Anything less is just silly.

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Originally Posted by Steady

Dungeons are time consuming. If you've ran it more than once, and your gear is worth a darn, you should atleast pull mobs 2 groups at a time. Anything less is just silly.

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To be quite honest, this is actually habit for me (pulling two groups at once), unless I see that the healer is under-geared or inexperienced or if I, myself, am under-geared in comparison to the rest of the team so that I don't lose hate. But again that would be my call as tank to decide that...

Little kids these days are so spoiled. Dungeons are time consuming? What rock have you been living under? Any MMO with half a fraction of thought put into a true dungeon - it takes 45 minutes just for the party to buff up, prepare and position, and at least 5 - 6 hours to clear the dungeon with maybe a 10 minute break here and there at the trash pull areas. To say that running a dungeon even casually at 15 - 20 minutes each is time consuming . . . that's beyond impatience.

Speed pulls - preform your party.
Slow pulls - DF

End of discussion LOL

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Originally Posted by Faelandaea

Little kids these days are so spoiled. Dungeons are time consuming? What rock have you been living under? Any MMO with half a fraction of thought put into a true dungeon - it takes 45 minutes just for the party to buff up, prepare and position, and at least 5 - 6 hours to clear the dungeon with maybe a 10 minute break here and there at the trash pull areas. To say that running a dungeon even casually at 15 - 20 minutes each is time consuming . . . that's beyond impatience.

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Hahaha, that troll was stronk :3

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Speed pulls - preform your party.
Slow pulls - DF

End of discussion LOL

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True facts right here... When you want an Ex Primal done do you DF it and expect perfection? Nope, you form a PF for efficiency...

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Originally Posted by Sousoulsu

If it's a topic that's come up so frequently, it should be relatively clear to you that speedrunning is a play style choice in the community that will not go away. As players get better at the game over time, I expect to see anti-speedrunning sentiments to dwindle lower and lower. It's the natural progression of things like this in MMO communities.

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AND AGAIN.

You do it AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN.

PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT SPEEDRUNS =/= BAD PLAYERS.
What is so hard to understand. Just because not everyone is playing at 150%, oing his utmost best, and playing ONLY for effincy doesnt mean he is BAD. He is just relaxed, and doesnt take every little dungeon as T13 raid which requires everyone doing 100%.

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Originally Posted by Rasylia

YES THERE IS. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT MY GEAR IS - IF I DONT WANT TO YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORCE ME.
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Get that in your mind.

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Ya know Rasylia, I'm with you on this one. Sousoulsu is clearly an Elitist Troll. And that's an abomination even amongst other Elitists and Trolls. I doesn't matter what we say they have a spoiled and entitled mentality and are incapable of accepting the FACT that other viewpoints exist let alone understand them. So I'll let you give some constructive (AKA Valid) caresizim on my DPS.

Oh and Sousoulsu, it DOES matter if it fell out of rotation. The fact you don't know that means you should NEVER equip a DPS weapon again. Rotations are what govern our combos so if something isn't in the rotation we have to make a new one to use it.

Now as for my skills, I do what I like and have more than once out lasted a Tank that bit off more than they can chew. That isn't a gear thing it's a skill thing.

My normal rotation:
Open with Spin Dive/Dragon Dive --> start Chaos Thrust Combo on Single Target/Boss or HT+RoT combo for mass trash --> Use personal DoT speed combo phlebotomize -> Leg Sweep -> Fracture-> Jump/dive--> Repeat from step 2 while using buffs and cool downs as necessary.

My rotation is completely governed by situation. I've added Doom Spike to step two for any time the add count is 2-4 or less and I use the Full Thrust combo when I see fit. And I use Elusive Jump for high powered AoEs that I can't get out of in time due to animation lock but I try not to rely on it.