Oh, I don't know, maybe the post where you said Vengeance + Bloodbath gives you about 30-100HP per enemy strike. Then I proceeded to inform you that there is no possible way Vengeance will deal 120-400 damage per reflect (Bloodbath is 25%, if it's going to heal 30-100 HP the hits need to be 120-400 damage). So I gave you the benefit of doubt assumed you meant healing from both reflect and abilities you were using. You can get off about one ability+autoattack per enemy attack assuming it doesn't WS in between. That's where 30-100HP per GCD came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lhun
My WAR & the two aspects to make you tank effectively!
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10-01-2013, 05:33 AMCurlyBruce
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10-01-2013, 04:07 PMAridElfBut you can raise your enmity on sleeping targets without waking them up, that itself is the sole reason it's on my bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terabyt3
A skill's usefulness should be measured by the number of applications it has, not its potency compared to similar skills. -
10-01-2013, 05:03 PMSynergy
All of this Terabyt3 guys posts are full of retardation.
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10-01-2013, 05:09 PMTerabyt3Hello there troll! Care to explain how? I;ve got no problem tanking coil, titan and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synergy
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10-01-2013, 06:23 PMWahzamDon't want to rain on your parade but you haven't cleared coil turn 1 as the achievement doesn't appear on your lodestone. If you have another character that has then i appologise for calling you outQuote:
Originally Posted by Terabyt3
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10-01-2013, 10:40 PMJudge_Xero
Hello. I missed out on the discussion about Second Wind but I wanted to share some testing I've done with it.
Second Wind scales with both Attack Power and Weapon Physical Damage.
I graphed the gains from Second Wind with various Attack Power stats and there seems to be different scales.
My estimate is
Up to 250 Attack Power it's a 2:1 Ratio
250-500 Attack Power its a 1:1 Ratio
After 500 Attack Power it seems to reach another scale, but I can't reach high enough over 500 with Berserk to say for certain.
With a 41 Physical Damage weapon and ~370 Attack Power - after using Berserk @ 555 Attack Power you should be healing for ~600
Second Wind seems to have a high Crit chance, so when paired with Internal Release you will often heal for 1000+
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10-01-2013, 11:59 PMOndesvin
well well this is the 3rd failed Warrior tanking guide, its not like warrior are hard pressed as it is, but these noob guides just spawn more noob warrior tanks... so keep it up!
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10-02-2013, 12:33 AMTerabyt3How about having some input and discussion rather than just trolling and flaming? Prime example of the problems in the community right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ondesvin
The title is also "MY" warrior. Which I;m having no problems tanking with. It was a discussion about my rotations and what can change. Good shout on the provoke earlier though I never thought about grabbing hate after death or such things like tank swapping made easy!
I'm still not sold on flash and find Overpower more effective (tried flash on hotbar for a long while). Even though it doesnt break cc like overpower it doesnt pull as much enmity and if mobs are cc'd provoke would work just as well would it not? -
10-02-2013, 12:51 AMCurlyBruceNo, Provoke would not work just as well. Provoke is top hate +1 so if someone else does anything to you they will immediately pull hate again. Provoke is also only single target with a 40s cooldown so how does that help with multiple mobs that are cc'd? Then there are times when you are Pacified from Berserk and an add pops during a boss. How are you going to grab it? Provoke and Flash are your only options and as stated earlier Provoke only allows you to catch up on hate, not surpass it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terabyt3
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10-02-2013, 12:57 AMKitruI tried Flash for all of 5 levels before realizing that it was worthless and abandoning it for other more useful things that actually make me a better tank (the same applies to Provoke; unless a fight has an explicit tank-swap mechanic, I'm not bringing it). The argument that it's somehow amazing because it doesn't break CCd mobs gets really old, mainly because, unless you're an idiot, you shouldn't be breaking CCd mobs in the first place (if the BLM is sleeping, don't use Overpower!). On top of that, you'll get a whopping 3 Flashes before you run out of MP when you do end up using it so it's not like the "resources" argument that gets bandied about concerning Flash is even remotely appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by CurlyBruce
If adds pop during a boss and you've got Pacification, the problem is that you've got Pacification. Learn the fight and don't use Berserk arbitrarily, especially when adds are going to be spawning. If you *need* Flash because you're Pacified, the problem isn't the load out of your additionals; the problem is with you. -
10-02-2013, 01:08 AMCurlyBruceSo you are never in a situation where you have to pop an emergency Berserk + Inner Beast to keep yourself alive because the healer is busy dodging something else or was already Curing you but because actions take effect after animations you would have died anyway? And you have found some magical use for Awareness or Mantra when they are subbed? Or are you saying you use Haymaker so you can cancel your combo on use when you (rarely) dodge? If there were better abilities to sub in their place I would gladly use them but there aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitru
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10-02-2013, 01:44 AMTerabyt3
Thats very situational and thrill of battle would suit you better as its instant. No animation for berserk and IB.
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10-02-2013, 02:45 AMKitruI use cooldowns *before* the shit hits the fan because I'm paying attention. The only way I die without any recourse is when I get burst down to dead in under 1 GCD, which means that Berserk + IB wouldn't matter anyways. Also, unless you're in a dungeon, MT doesn't need to get adds so... yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by CurlyBruce
Haymaker doesn't cancel combos. I used it for a little while but dropped it when I found that the slow suffered DR. Awareness is actually a very good CD; it's just not an incredibly obvious one because you don't notice when you don't get crit. Just because it slips beneath your radar doesn't mean that it's not doing anything. Mantra is actually pretty useful, not as a tank CD, but as a raid utility combined. Whenever you have raid damage going out, pop it: it increases your healing received a bit while lightening healer load on the rest of the group, allowing them more time to get back to focus healing you faster.Quote:
And you have found some magical use for Awareness or Mantra when they are subbed? Or are you saying you use Haymaker so you can cancel your combo on use when you (rarely) dodge? If there were better abilities to sub in their place I would gladly use them but there aren't.
Awareness and Mantra (Second Wind until you get Mantra) are *most definitely* more useful than Flash. A strong case can be made for them being more useful than Provoke as well (since the only use it serves is easing up tank swapping and having the MT recover from a death, which, 99% of the time, ends up wiping the group anyway or being useless as the OT takes over MT duties). The occasions where Flash gets anywhere *near* being useful are so specific and so few that you have to be *trying* to make Flash useful by putting yourself in those situations to get anything out of it rather than actually playing intelligently.
Flash is horrible. Anyone that claims that it's *more* useful than Awareness or Mantra either *vastly* inflates the value of an safe AoE that can be used 3 times before running out or underestimates the value of ignoring crits and increasing all healing to the entire raid. Honestly, it seems to me like you're doing both. -
10-02-2013, 02:58 AMCurlyBruceNot every mob in the game has predictable attack patterns. Shit could hit the fan and then immediately hit the fan again if you get a bad streak of WS from a mob. Granted my hypothetical scenario was for a very specific case so I'll concede the point. I was unaware Haymaker didn't cancel combo. It did in Phase 2-3 and I never bothered using it from that point on so I never checked so thanks for the clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitru
As for Awareness and Mantra, Awareness only lasts 15s on a 120s cooldown and there is no way to guarantee you would even receive a critical attack during the time. Its function is pretty much the same as Featherfoot only Featherfoot at least allows you to mitigate 100% of the damage should it grant you a dodge where as Awareness just lowers the damage by 50%. Mantra is only 5% extra healing for 15s on a 120s cooldown again. I'm not aware of the range but unless it hits all party members regardless of distance there will be many situations where you are the only one gaining any benefit from it.
Of course this argument is pointless if you know ahead of time you will have no need for Provoke/Flash, as you stated, since that would just be a wasted slot. I guess the point I was trying to make is I find more uses for Flash/Provoke than I do for Awareness/Mantra overall. -
10-02-2013, 03:00 AMAriynAnd with your rotation in turn 4 of coil you will be out of tp before wave 2. Completely useless tank after that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terabyt3
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10-02-2013, 03:25 AMTronicQuote:
Originally Posted by Kitru
Mantra gives only 5% extra healing for 15 seconds every 120 seconds, and requires your allies to be close and for everybody to be taking damage to be worthwhile, so it's very situational at best. Worst of all, it requires you to level monk to 42 (and I find mnk incredibly boring to level >.<). Flash has some very real situational advantages and I use it all the time. I'll buy into awareness if I see some parser data on boss crit rates. If they have something like a 5% base crit rate, then no. Provoke is also useful as a long-range pulling ability and because people in your party will inevitably derp and steal agro by hitting the wrong mob, agroing adds or being medica 2 trigger happy. -
10-02-2013, 03:40 AMKitruAwareness isn't used to mitigate damage. It's to normalize your incoming damage to make it much more predictable than usual. Making incoming damage predictable is remarkably useful since it allows you to use the rest of your abilities more effectively over the duration of it. Yes, you can't guarantee that you could have gotten crit within the next 30 seconds, but you also can't be sure that you wouldn't get smacked by 2 or 3 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CurlyBruce
For Mantra, the range is a limiting factor, but a *vast* majority of the time that big AoE damage happens, the group collapses to allow for Medica/Succor. Use it when the group is all nice and tightly packed and you're doing great with it (also, it's 5% below level 40, iirc; at 50, it's 10%).
A lot of it comes down to your tanking style and experience, methinks. I use and abuse my CDs by knowing the fights and using CDs proactively as well as reactively while having no issue with enmity, whether AoE or ST, or Pacification, which is why I like having 2 extra CDs rather than Flash and Provoke. The only time I'm going to take Provoke is for a tank swap fight; I'll never take Flash (unless they add some boss that hits the tank with Pacification right as adds spawn, which would just be a dick move on the part of the devs). -
10-02-2013, 04:07 AMOndesvinwell there are 4 so called warrior tanking guides out there and all of them are full of miss information, you might have some of it right, but not all of it - please test your build before posting next time thx!Quote:
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10-02-2013, 04:25 AMOndesvinQuote:
Originally Posted by Kitru
im sorry to say this but Awareness is 15 sec and negate crit 100% if you read the ingame tooltip.
and Mantra is only 5% as a cross class ability again if you read up on the ingame tooltip. it increase to 20% from the passive pug skill and you dont get that as a warrior. -
10-02-2013, 04:33 AMKitruYeah, facepalmed that a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ondesvin
I'm pretty sure that Mantra is another one of those additionals that has a lower effect if you're below a certain level, just like Bloodbath and others have a shorter duration if you're not at least X level. I'm not *absolutely* sure, but I've heard it enough and it makes enough sense given that there aren't really any traits that quadruple the effectiveness of an ability (double, generally, which would make sense with 10% base) that I'm confident that it does.Quote:
and Mantra is only 5% as a cross class ability again if you read up on the ingame tooltip. it increase to 20% from the passive pug skill and you dont get that as a warrior.
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10-02-2013, 05:39 PMCessna
Feather foot actually works on titan hm, you use it as a warrior and if you get lucky, rock buster (the move before Mountain buster) will miss completely. It puts less stress on the healer because that's one less 2k hit they have to heal. And frankly we warriors need all the stress reduction on the healers we can get.
This guide is pretty good.