HM Titan will be nerfed soon

I have noticed a lag doing dungeons with my FC. They are on the eastcoast and I'm on the westcoast and there is a 3 sec or so lag. We've called it out and it is very consistant. We've played many, many dungeons and it always comes down to the lag, Titian, Ifrit w/e.

Ac tuakly it takes 2 days to hit 50 with first clas lol

And the whole server will become posers walking around showing off glowing weapons. Great

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Originally Posted by Dorin

And the whole server will become posers walking around showing off glowing weapons. Great

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this, as well as my previous post right above this one.

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Originally Posted by twigglypuff

this, as well as my previous post right above this one.

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Seem's to be the case already. half of Uldah on gungnir has a relic. so much for hard to get/rare weapons! lol

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Originally Posted by Luda

Seem's to be the case already. half of Uldah on gungnir has a relic. so much for hard to get/rare weapons! lol

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well, that just means one of three things

A) the person with the relic was good enuff to get through titan, in which case they are moer than welcome in my endgame

B) the person got carried through titan, in which case they arent really welcome in my endgame

c)they paid for a good group to run them thru, in which case they need to immediatly gtfo my endgame

B and C can kinda be viewed as the same, but i'd rather B than C to be honest.

Furthermore, no amount of gear will help the person in BOC if they suck. BOC is ruthless. I love it.

It's not about the difficulty it's about the crappy design based around aoe that people have trouble dodging because of poor server response. I have yet to try Titan HM but if it's anywhere near the same as the story mode I can understand why people are so pissed off. I was never knocked off but I saw plenty of others that were. Of course they were completely out of the aoe most of the time. If that translates to hard content then SE needs to rethink the difference between difficult and bullshit.

I'll say now like I said it when Abyssea was released on FFXI: Get over yourselves, elitists!

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Originally Posted by twigglypuff

For those bitching about aoe latency issues. l2 better internet connection, cuz my shit is perfect. .

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dumbest comment I have read here!

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Originally Posted by prymortal

I am 1 getting hit by titan AOE's & heres how it looks when i do get hit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5g4TM1fkCg

So your saying i cant blame the lagg, even tho its clearly the Lagg? Pathetic!

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Ok that's an issue but it's also land sliding a lot quicker than normal, I feel all you with that latency problem now, that is bad and unavoidable

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Originally Posted by twigglypuff

keep content hard, keep scrubs far away from my endgame =)

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It belongs to everyone who bought the game. Good luck with that.

One thing I learned about Nerfs is that there are only 2 kinds o nerfs

1) MEchanic nerfs = Damage reduction hit, slower cast time, and a bit less than current mechanic

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2) HP nerfs = HP is the only thing reduced. All damage, mechanics still perform the same as the pre-nerf version


If they do a Mechanic nerf there will be hardly any need for a Full DL set nor Ifrit weapon or higher. Mechanic nerf tend to reduce the requirement for High ilevel gears more than HP nerfs.

HP nerf will mean people would stop complaining about people having Ifrit Weapon just to run Titan HM because seriously there is little difference between a DL/GC weapon and a Ifrit weapon but damage and mechanics being the same as pre-nerf will still require full DL set to handle the damage rate of Titan's AoE.

If you want to stil have the current challenege of Titan HM then pray for HP nerf because it provides less gear demand reduction. Also, it still help stop the people crying bloody mary for not having a Ifrit Weapon. Seriously how many times must we keep playing Russian Roulette with Ifrit HM chest before we can get that 1 Primal weapon "required" for Titan HM.

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Originally Posted by mmcsky

Nooooo!, I havent reached 50 yet! I want to feel the weight of the earth! Why do they have to kill it for the true fans!

No seriously, I do not believe in nerfs,when I hit this content and it becomes nerf I will feel less interested on tackling it. I want to get my ass kicked across the chasm and fail and learn and rage and at the end be satisfied for beating something hard.

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If the time come that Titan (hard) get easier, you can still challenge Titan (extreme).

What Yoshida said in an interview about making old content easier after 2.1:

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GW: By completing the Crystal Tower in 2.1 will the players obtain high level rare items?

Yoshida: Of course. Everything up till here is what’s inside patch 2.1, and starting in patch 2.1 is easing of contents. We’re going to increase the top but the bottom of the slope will get easier, although it’s just a little, you should be able to feel it.

GW: Top being higher is easy to understand, but what do you mean by “the bottom of the slope will get easier”?

Yoshida: The top of the Binding Coil of Bahamut will not change in 2.1, this will not change until patch 2.2. In patch 2.1 we’re going to have 3 dungeons, 2 hard mode, and one high difficulty dungeon, so the amount of tokens will be more than what it is now. Therefore, it will be easier easier to increase your item level. Also you will be able to obtain more of the one rank lower token output will increase, so you can gain item levels at more ease. So it will be easier to reach the top. But in patch 2.2 the top (end-game) will get higher, so top players will go even further top. And then the contents will spread (imagine a mountain with pointed top [end-content] and wider bottom [contents getting eased over time]). This cycle will start from patch 2.1.

GW: So it’s kind of like going up a pyramid hierarchy a little?

Yoshida: if you just basically go higher in the pyramid, for those looking from the bottom, it will just look like it’s gotten higher. But in actual it’s not like that, it spreads out so even at first it looks like a high mountain, over time in about 6 month time, it will probably look more like some hiking course. However, even if it was easy to get there, once you reached the goal you’re going to find out that there was more up ahead. But as you go up slowly, it starts to ease out. I want to give this feeling to the players.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1324244

i heard that their expection of the amount of people clearing titan HM at the TGS FFXIV booths was exceed by so much, that they were considering buffing titan HM lol

netcode issue =/= content difficulty

I hope they'll nerf it soon and all the other doging-aoe-or-you-die. maybe not nerf it but do something with the connection mechanics, like give us more time to dodge or change the way the server check our positions or something.

why they're selling the game in Europe, Asia, and Oceania if people from those regions can't play?

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Originally Posted by Juubi

I've seen many mmos nerf their content if the majority of players dislike the difficulty level (eg Diablo III Inferno Mode) so HM Titan will assuredly be hit with the nerf hammer sooner or later

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Not before 2.1.

AS SE SAID already they will nerf the old content once newer content is out. So get an FC and do him now for the full fun ride. (it took me 12hours with a PUG, so actually u can already PUG him with enough time and when u swap "BAD" ppl out).

So stay calm little friend.

The logical nerf is just make his cast timers longer.

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Originally Posted by himehime

netcode issue =/= content difficulty

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Exactly this.

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Originally Posted by himehime

i heard that their expection of the amount of people clearing titan HM at the TGS FFXIV booths was exceed by so much, that they were considering buffing titan HM lol

netcode issue =/= content difficulty

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I heard (Rumors) that at TGS, people were lead to believe Titan (hard) was "Fun" because they used the story 45 mode Titan patterns with 8 people instead of 4 (Also 3 bar Limit break, AF & Relics - Which as we know you can't use AF & its a fight to get relic so cant be balanced using one!), Also lack of lagg, creating a flase illusion that it was easier & also "fun'er" than it is to get new players. ~ Also a quick Youtube search has videos which show part/s of this to be true.

This is the real Titan Hard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5g4TM1fkCg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFfu0i89gpI

LAgg Hard with no comment on when they going to fix it!

DEV reply would be nice on the rumors & when the lagg is going to be fixed & why is hasnt been commented on.

Titan is about the difficulty of Turn 1 and 2 Coil.

It will most certainly be nerfed come 2.2, when they expand Coil and don't want players getting left behind.

The fight feels like Ifrit Erruptions 1.0. Sick of this.

i think the titan fight is nice, and ballanced except for phase 5, as a healer with the latency i got, i can manage ok surviving but barly myself, i can't stoneskin the tank in time tho, and sometimes the 2nd mountin buster falls on tank while i am trying to dodge all the wieghts and make sure medica covering everyone. phase 5 for my healer is so hard for me, i dont know what to do really.. i am stuck i guess..

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Originally Posted by starLivitation

and sometimes the 2nd mountin buster falls on tank while i am trying to dodge all the wieghts

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No it doesn't- it comes after landslide, every time. You have more than enough time to spam several cure 2's immediately after landslide, and then GTFO as soon as weights are about to pop. If he just encased someone in rock, then he's gonna use Tumult right after MB, and if he just used bombs, he's gonna plume right after MB. That's all you gotta remember as healer XD

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Titan is about the difficulty of Turn 1 and 2 Coil.

It will most certainly be nerfed come 2.2, when they expand Coil and don't want players getting left behind.

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Turn 3 is also a joke too.

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Originally Posted by twigglypuff

well, that just means one of three things

A) the person with the relic was good enuff to get through titan, in which case they are moer than welcome in my endgame

B) the person got carried through titan, in which case they arent really welcome in my endgame

c)they paid for a good group to run them thru, in which case they need to immediatly gtfo my endgame

B and C can kinda be viewed as the same, but i'd rather B than C to be honest.

Furthermore, no amount of gear will help the person in BOC if they suck. BOC is ruthless. I love it.

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9 out of 10 people say the Coils is much easier than Titan. The 10th person tends to be lying to make themselves feel better.

Titan is not even that hard as of now. Many players are already working on alt relics.

On a side note, I'm looking forward to the new extreme modes they will be adding. This game needs some challenging content.

Titan story and hard mode are the only places where I see server lag. Had one fail where a server side lag spike killed half of the group during one of the row bombs. If they reduced the lag on Titan some really good players on Midgardsormr would have their relics. Yes I am on ps3 which means I have to almost constantly be moving which is a problem since I'm a healer. My husband is on the PC and there is a 2-3 second delay and trust me you can't have any lag when those 2-3 seconds might mean you die or live. I don't mind that it's hard I have pre phase 5 down except when we skip one or two things. Only time I tend to die is because of the lag issue when pre phase5. An example of what lag can do to a PS3 player is when a landslide goes down the middle and they run to the edge of a side and still get hit by said slide. The lag server side is what makes many want to rage quit or win via merc groups. Not the difficulty of remembering the pattern.

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Originally Posted by Brises

SE has already stated that when the next, more difficult content is released, the previous difficult content will be made easier. Basically cycling difficulty levels so hardcores can get a chance at the greater difficulty, while allowing casuals to continue progress.

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The fact is titan is not hard at all there is no reason to nerf it period.

Gear treadmill and themepark is the name of the game. Old content gets nerfed new content comes out and more gear is released making the old gear worthless. My only question is what will I get for beating the extreme titan?

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Originally Posted by dRakk

Not even hard though.

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It's not very difficult once you memorize it, but I still think it's an incredible fight. My favorite MMO boss ever, I enjoy it much more than coil. I wish coil bosses weren't so generic and boring(as a healer). Extreme mode titan better be insane, I look forward to all extreme mode primals.

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Originally Posted by HoroBoro

I'd rather them nerf lag soon.

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I think this is really want needs to be done. Its one thing to fight a tough mob because he is tough. Its another to fight a tough mob that is tough because of conditions completely out of your control.

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Originally Posted by Juubi

I've seen many mmos nerf their content if the majority of players dislike the difficulty level (eg Diablo III Inferno Mode) so HM Titan will assuredly be hit with the nerf hammer sooner or later

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For the record...Diablo III's original Inferno Mode was complained about by just about every single player on the game. A very small percentage of people were able to progress. It was true challenge for sure. They nerfed it so much that I was able to log in after not playing for a couple months and complete the game from my previous sticking point and finish all the way through in one go.

I wish they would nerf how often the server reads my position in the game.

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Originally Posted by Noshpan

I wish they would nerf how often the server reads my position in the game.

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ya position reading is the main issue here in this game.

I've played plenty of MMOs before but this is the first MMO that has position reading delays. Which currently has killed a lot of players.

Never really had any issues with dodging big hit AoE attacks in other MMOs because they don't have position delays in those MMO.

Heck even Secret World and Guild Wars 2 have massive instant kill or near instant kill AoE attacks from major boss but those can still be dodged without using the dodge ability in the game by simply moving out of the hit box. Here in FF14 you need to be out of the hit box within at least 2 seconds first or else the game thinks you're still in range.

Fix the server Desync and the fight WILL be easier, no need for a nerf.

Please leave Titan alone!

In all honesty it isnt hard enough once u learn the mechanics. I went in to titan and beat it on my second try w some friends. I had a team that had beat it once or twice but spent the time and learned the mechanics. Im on a ps3 so I jumped on to teamspeak and just listen to the party leader tell me whats coming next and where to go. Its not him that is hard, it is the lack of communication and cooperation from the players.

so what? Titan EXTREME MODE is about to be released too. so you can just do that instead.

Wonder since they are nerfing titan hard mode if they'll just use the old hard mode as the extreme mode......? I hope not, something harder would be better.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

ya position reading is the main issue here in this game.

I've played plenty of MMOs before but this is the first MMO that has position reading delays. Which currently has killed a lot of players.

Never really had any issues with dodging big hit AoE attacks in other MMOs because they don't have position delays in those MMO.

Heck even Secret World and Guild Wars 2 have massive instant kill or near instant kill AoE attacks from major boss but those can still be dodged without using the dodge ability in the game by simply moving out of the hit box. Here in FF14 you need to be out of the hit box within at least 2 seconds first or else the game thinks you're still in range.

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I've stopped counting the times I've moved out of the way of special attacks (frontal, conical, aoe) and still get hit well after I've cleared the zone of attack.