JP Community of this game

There are differences.

The JP servers are probably very happy to be rid of NA.

Playing FFXI for 9 years, I can't tell you how many times I would reach out to JP players only to get "JP ONLY", I would be like we're 5/6 and only need XXX job, You want to wait solo? "JP ONLY"



So yeah... glad to hear they're happy playing JP Only forever now, but Not all JP were like that, and not all NA are bad..
I have my own FC, and we're doing every bit as good, and friendly as it sounds JP is like. There is a culture in NA, (one I hope is gone after the free month) that is "winning best, fastest, first, and solo" at all costs. I do not believe these types of players will make it long, but they are extremely unpleasant shadows of people, and will most likely jump ship to be on ESO or w/e comes next, so I'm just waiting for the day.

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Originally Posted by Sterob

funny that people, especially US often say that on the internet people will become a jerk due to anonymous, thus the person will always be meaner, asshole-er online, than when they meet people face to face.

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This is true. It's true for the Japanese as much as the NA players. When people can both hide behind anonymity and not have to directly see how their words and actions effect people then empathy goes out the window. The point HealBus made really hit's it on the nose. Japanese culture is different and what to the Japanese is rude actually will sometimes seem polite on the surface to a westerner. The culture and language is just that different.

Japanese players can be nasty as well but they do it in the Japanese way. Which is usually kind of passive-aggressive I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Eylev

Romanji+Autotranslate? How you do that? Can teach me?

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I just mean I'd type in Romanji and then where appropriate I'd use the auto-translate function. So I would type something that looks like: (Flash) wo motto tsukatte kudasai.

I do that because I don't know what the ability Flash is called in Japanese. You can activate it by pressing Tab after you type part of the english word. That said Romanji is SO tiring to read I always use a keyboard that can type Japanese when I can.

We're basically exact opposites in terms of how we manage ourselves in a game like this. The majority of NA players in any given game are the same lot that you'd find in LoL. I'm not naming WoW in this case, because I think LoL fits the bill better by behavior and LoL is well-known to be a horrible community for the most part.

While our majority are that sort of breed, JP minority are of the same caliber. Everyone, everywhere, has the same sort of people amongst them. The difference is the ratios, and this is due to upbringings/culture/etc. Things are just different. NA players are FAR from being saintly, some of us long accepted that. It doesn't matter that NA hosts the most progressive FC, they can be the best... but if it were comprised of a bunch of d-bags, they'd still be d-bags who progress a lot. Apply that to any given group.

Sounds like a grass is greener on the other side of the fence situation. I'd be lying though if the way the OP described their experiences didn't evoke how FFXI sure felt. Honestly it just comes down to the person if they feel like giving a crap on this particular day or not. More often than not though I come to the decision to be courteous and patient with others that I meet online but I also have to realize that I'm coming to that decision as an individual, and by all rights someone can make the opposite choice if they so choose.

There will be care bears there will be try hards and there will be people who are legitimately that extreme in pursuing EG content. For the times I'm met with rudeness or courtesy alike I just let it be and have a good laugh.

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Originally Posted by HealBus

They are equally as bad, they are just more secretive about it. NA just wears its thoughts on its sleeves, JP will hide it behind a mask. If you have ever done business in Japan you'll know what I am talking about.

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No, they're not secretive about it - you either are or are not a jerk about things. If you have ever done business in any country you'll know what point you were trying to make.

One day I decided to check a JP legacy server to compare the market with my NA/EU server and I was surprised!
most of item prices are almost the same except for HQ items. In Jp servers 2 star items and HQ items cost half the price of the server I am in ><.
I wish if there was a way to buy items for different servers.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

I can't tell you how many times I would reach out to JP players only to get "JP ONLY", I would be like we're 5/6 and only need XXX job, You want to wait solo? "JP ONLY"

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Would you run Coil of Bahamut or Titan hard with someone who can't understand any of your instructions? If you have 7/8 people talking in English, would you be ok to have the 8th member talking only Japanese and either having to translate everything every time (if one of you can speak Japanese) or not being able to explain anything at all?

probably not, and they are the same.
they are just being practical.

This is the real reason why NA is always behind JPs cuz we just can't agree. They are trained to agree and reach consensus from birth lol. We NA are every bit as good as anyone else. Lets get some cross server pvp going and put the ownage on EU and JP players NA FTW!!!!!!! New Jersey here!! Englewood!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Would you run Coil of Bahamut or Titan hard with someone who can't understand any of your instructions? If you have 7/8 people talking in English, would you be ok to have the 8th member talking only Japanese and either having to translate everything every time (if one of you can speak Japanese) or not being able to explain anything at all?

probably not, and they are the same.
they are just being practical.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

Playing FFXI for 9 years, I can't tell you how many times I would reach out to JP players only to get "JP ONLY", I would be like we're 5/6 and only need XXX job, You want to wait solo? "JP ONLY".

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5/6 People...... for an experience party where everyone knows exactly what to and has Auto Translate.... But nice try on fitting my XI experience with Some JP players for mind numbing exp grind; to the hardest event in FFXIV.


And for the record JP players would join my party occasionally, and we were nice, and they were nice, and everyone had a really nice time! Painting one community as All this and another as ALL that, just creates more "We're better than you" or "you're lesser than us"

The truth is; some JP look down their nose at NA players as complete trash (but would never say so)
And some NA players, act just like the trash that JP players would hate

But there is a core community of this game, and it was in FFXI too where it doesn't matter which country you come from, where being different isn't bad, where everyone is courteous, and it's truly an international experience where you get to make new friends, and that community is somewhere on all servers.

This was the exact same in FFXI, whenever i partied with jp players they were usually more polite and MORE forgiving, They also did that same thing, those magic words nice to meet you and bowed on every invite.

I sometimes wish i could learn JP cause they are far less stressful to deal with then NA players, now don't get me wrong there are some A-Hole jps out there, racist and what not. but they are few.

I really should not be in a community where i have to fear making a mistake due to backlash or getting angry at random, common mistakes. like recent i saw a tank blow up on a healer when it was entirely the tanks fault he died due to basic stupidty (long story)

If you play flawlessly at all times, you never have anything to fear.

FFXIV unfortunately has some racism in the online community. Some racists view the Japanese players and servers as the ideal, and discriminate against other regions.

Japanese culture is socially polite. People say "hello", "i'm sorry", "thanks for playing", etc. Some regions don't have that type of etiquette, but everywhere has good and bad people.

My experience with DF on Cactuar (an NA server) has been pretty good. Many people are pleasant, coordinate, have a good time, and forgive mistakes. A few people yell, get impatient, won't coordinate, and rage quit. Overall the community is pretty good, better than I expected.

Of course, with the relaunch, the community is fairly young. Most MMO communities start out friendly. Sometimes elitism develops, and the community goes downhill. Some MMOs build a better community as they mature, but almost always you get a fun community at the beginning when everyone is new and learning.

This is not surpriseing, as it was the same in FFXI, you knew if you hit a JP party, u hit jackpot when it came to content or exp grinding.
Only mistake new MMO's have these days, is not makeing mix servers, but then again i dont blame them for inplementing it, since out of 6 years in ffxi i start to understand why the JP people want peace and be able to play with people who show same respect as themself.

I startet on a EU server myself cause of some friends, otherwise i would had done the same and start on a JP server, just cause i know how alot of them are mentally compared to some others...

That said keep in mind not all NA people are ignorant bastard who see themself above evryone else, nor Europeans for that matter.
But i must say can i avoid americans i would do it anytime any day, i had my share with how the majority of them where in FFXI.
But OP this wont change for a lifetime, JP people are raise diffrently, see life in another way.

Had long talks with alot of them, why they tend to be so friendly and helpfull to people beeing complete A-holes to them, mostly is there culture " keep in mind not all JP are friendly lol, all countries have there share of idiots"
But from most of them, i got more or less same response, they are raiset to try help people if they can, even it dosent benefit them or please them to do so, that's why you see most of them do something if you ask them.

RL story from ffxi.
Was lvling my carpenter up, and there was this lovely fishing rod, callt lu'shangs fishing rod wich where beast to lvl with, since lvling in ffxi took ages when it came to crafting, and if you broke your craft you useally tend to lose all your items, but the love about this Lu' shang rod was, even if the craft broke, you could not lose it, so you could pretty much start repairing a broken Lu'shang rod at a very early lvl, knowing it would fail but give you alot skill up, now the sad part was at that time where i bought it, i had probally grindet for almost a year to afford it so expensive it was, a few hours evryday.
So you can imagen how static i was once i got my hands on it, after getting it and haveing stars in my eyes, i went on the ferry from selbina to where all the people where fishing, in hope someone would break there Lu'shang fishing rod so i could trade mine with theres.
Lucky for me after 20min wait someone did.
sadly ffxi had 1 flaw, if someone tried to cast spells on you pre crafting your item, it would sometimes break the craft immiedatly and make you lose evrything before the craft even startet.
This Paladin NA saw i was shouting for a broken one, and pretty much campet me on the boat in the background, once i was about to do it, he stood with his friend and as soon they saw me start my crafting they healet the hell out me as much they could.
Mission succed for those 2, and i manage to lose something i had workt for, for about 1 year.
To my surprise all i got in whispers, was HAHAHA OWNED NOOB, etc.
So i put in a ticket to the GM's, saying what happend and told them to read chat since this wasent and accident but very intendet, but all i got back was sorry we cant do anything about it.
So i was pretty down, and pretty much felt like uninstalling after loseing all my money on that thing, i tho would be bullet proof " yes my own bad for not crafting in my mog house where i am safe, but sometimes you just dont expect the wourse of people"
So just as i where about to log out, a JP tarutaru walks over to me and trade, beeing a bit confused i just presst ok, and he put in a brand new Lu'shang rod.
I told him no no i cant take it, and with the poor english he could, he said yes please, following up with, please nice evryone help all, no do paladin other, and logt off.
Think i scoutet for this tarutaru like 2 months evryday and never saw him online again.

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

But nice try on fitting my XI experience with Some JP players for mind numbing exp grind; to the hardest event in FFXIV

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Of course I was exaggerating, but I guess you can get my point ;)
The auto-function is limited and it can be frustrating having one member who cannot understand the rest of you
I probably don't need to make you a cross-cultural class, everybody know that Japanese people search synergy and group harmony. And by definition, foreigners (being a gaijin i think I have a very good experience about this pretty much every single day), we are more complicated to deal with and it can be bothersome to include us.

But no misunderstanding, there are some extremely open Japanese people (those who speak english mostly) and if you are in the group, they will always treat you well
they will just think twice before letting you in in the first place. But once you are there, you are there ^^

Japanese folks are polite and calm in nature. The rest of the world is too flammable.

I'm not a xenophobic person and I actually find Japanese culture very interesting/entertaining; however, my experiences with Japanese players were extremely negative for a large majority of my FFXI "career." It put Japanese people in a very negative light for me for a number of years.

I know that a few bad apples don't necessarily spoil the whole orchard, but at least on my server there was a lot of tension between NA and JP players.

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Originally Posted by Ruminate

You said, "This is why the NA servers are always behind the JP servers in completing contents."

I listed an english-speaking guild on an NA server that is ahead of everyone in completing contents.

Your entire post wreaks of passive-aggressiveness. You can be polite all you want, but you're still toxic.

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Your post was the hostile one. His was completely fine to me, yet yours was everything you complained about. You blamed him. You insulted him. You falsely accused him.

There are some rude JP players too.
The 2ch news sites are already writing articles about this.

『FF14』の民度ヤバすぎｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ
【画像あり】新生FF14の民度がDQキッズ以下だった
etc.

It's just that they are so rare that you won't be finding them often unless you're unlucky.


I, myself, am playing in a JP server too, and my experience thus far is the same as OP, but I'm not sure if it will stay like this when I reach end game content or not.

I think people over-state the rudeness and attitude of PUGs in NA too. I've only rarely encountered rude/obnoxious behaviour, most of the time people manage to stay upbeat and positive (even when we've failed!). People are usually friendly, chat and joke during the runs and by the end you can usually feel like you've gotten to know people and it's a shame you won't see them again.

Of my successful PUG runs, only one had an obnoxious member - A healer who was constantly smack talking the DPS calling them noobs and saying how they didn't have a chance because on the first pull one of them stood in an AoE and took damage; even though at the end of the day both he and the tank died on the final fight and the DPS took down the boss without a tank or healer! (He was rather quiet after that)

Of my failed runs, I havn't had one obnoxious member - I had a guy (The healer... again. Healers are most prone to be dickbags) who went off into a long rant about how the game sucked and he was going to unsubscribe because the game is impossibly hard (Sunken temple normal mode :/ ) and it'd wounded his ego, but that was directed at the devs rather than the players around him

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Originally Posted by Ruminate

You said, "This is why the NA servers are always behind the JP servers in completing contents."

I listed an english-speaking guild on an NA server that is ahead of everyone in completing contents.

Your entire post wreaks of passive-aggressiveness. You can be polite all you want, but you're still toxic.

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Originally Posted by FuriousLobster

Your post was the hostile one. His was completely fine to me, yet yours was everything you complained about. You blamed him. You insulted him. You falsely accused him.

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My thoughts exactly.

First off, I don't think EdeinLi went it to be taken that way. And he is not wrong, the JP community is always faster at progressing that the NA/EU communities. The Blue Gartr guys are great, they are very skilled and move through content quickly. They even share information they gather with the rest of the community. However they are but one example and by no means define the NA community.

As for his comment contributing to what makes this community toxic, you just dropped yourself right into that boat as well, Ruminate. The difference is your approach is flat out aggressive.

people are people, na/jp is irrelevant.

met some nice jp players in my 10+ years of ffxi and some insanely rude, and self centered ones too.
exact same for na/eu as well.

have seen many many shouts for "jp only" for parties in 11, never once though seen, "english only" as a requirement from na/eu shouts.

there is good and bad in every culture, none is superior to another in my books.
there are skilled players in every culture as well, again not one is any "more skilled" at mashing buttons lol, lets face it thats what ALL these games are anyway, it isnt rocket science.

why even talk about different cultures in the game, it shouldnt matter, let alone singled out like this (for good or bad tbh) O.o

Welll... It is obvious that the japanese culture has different standards of communication. And of course there are rude japanese players, but they are the minority. Opposite to Na/eu in which the rude people are the majority. Just different values and priorities. Also,, the % of mental illnesses ( diagnosted and not) is higher in the western communities.

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

people are people, na/jp is irrelevant.

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Took the words right outa my mouth. :p

I'm on a JP server, was an awesome choice. It completely suits my style, plus the connection is fantastic for me here in Masamune.
I have all my friends playing with me here and there are plenty of other English speaking players here also.

Being one of the first NA high lvl players back when FFXI released, I had the privilege of grouping with many jp players, as a majority of the people my level at the time were..jp players.

It went a little something like this:

Me: "Looking for exp group, DPS"

Get invite to group.

Group: <something in japanese>

Me: "Hello all!"

Group: "JP ONLY" followed by an immediate kick.

The only thing more annoying than the whiners of the NA community? The one's who worship jp culture and just have to boast about how their JP servers are so much better, even though a majority of the time they're simply looking through rose colored glasses.

90% of my experience with the Duty Finder on an NA server has been positive, I only see spammers in the market zones for the most part. That must mean everyone shares my experience, therefore NA servers are superior! Right?!

/yawn, They're people, just like NA, get over it.

This is priceless the way they are attacking the people supporting the Japanese just proves their point... awesome.
these people are not "Toxic" for pointing out that the NA audience is a bunch of rude and obnoxious kids. If your making a big deal out of that statement your a little late to the world stage.... we are generally disliked by other countries because of the attitudes we have. I have resigned myself to the truth that a lot of us are entitled brats. these posts was like watching the opposing side prove the OP's point, awesome thread.

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Originally Posted by Juz

This is the kind of jealousy that makes NA servers the way they are. I don't think JP players are better, they are about the same on average, their culture however is vastly superior and anyone with a clue knows even if you haven't played their that their servers would mostly likely have better communities. Just like Korean servers of games usually have much better players than NA servers because in their culture you have to take gaming very seriously if you are a gamer.

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I'm not sure if you realize how bad you sounded there, judging from other posts in this thread, many don't either.

Nothing like a broad worship of the JP players to showcase how little you actually understand their culture. There are just as many terrible JP as NA/EU, they just show it in different ways.

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Originally Posted by Juz

This is the kind of jealousy .

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Sorry but this is a load of garbage xD. This is exactly the obsession with the JP community i so dislike. Most JP players i met in XI were seriously bad (meele RDM yay in a XP party) or just weird stuff which was pointless and made no sense whatsoever. And skill i would say they are below average. Most Bosses/Events in XI and XIV got beaten first by NA or EU community's. The JP's just trot behind.

Oh and let's not forget the amazing JP ONRY shit we got for over 10 years from this AMAZING and friendly community.... yeah my ass.

Don't get me wrong i love the Music, Movies, Anime's, Mangas etc. But the extreme racist culture towards western people is just sick

I by no mean have no intention to speak ill on our fellow english speaking players, be it NA/EU. I didn't say anything about Japanese being much better, JP > NA; JP > All; No. I posted this thread to share you my experience that I had during hours spent on this server (And that happen to be Japan server). That's it. http://i.imgur.com/riV5HG5.gif Love and Peace to everyone

On NA Diablos I always find friendly people in the DF. Ya there are the elitists as well, but thats literally everywhere in the world, not just localised to NA.

I guess Japan follows the way of bushido right? Thats why they are so kind and honorable right?! You dont even read Japanese you couldnt possibly notice if someone was being nasty or toxic. It doesnt matter where you were raised or live, there are good and bad people everywhere...

My weeaboo alarm started sounding the second I clicked this thread.

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Originally Posted by Theref

I by no mean have no intention to speak ill on our fellow english speaking players, be it NA/EU. I didn't say anything about Japanese being much better, JP > NA; JP > All; No. I posted this thread to share you my experience that I had during hours spent on this server (And that happen to be Japan server). That's it. http://i.imgur.com/riV5HG5.gif Love and Peace to everyone

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It is cool, a lot of us know what you meant, They just do not know how to take an opposed opinion, that is why they are the vocal minority. NA used forums to bash and complain, and the rest of them uses them for information sharing. It is a culture thing, It is cool in NA to troll and flame posts. You gota learn to just accept that they will always gripe.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

Honestly I'm amazed that OP wasn't immediately booted from DF parties for being a gaijin. OP, are you being a fake JP? Do you speak any English in these parties, or do they know you're a gaijin?

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I've played almost exclusively since FF XIV launched (1.0 mind you) on JP servers. In 2.0, I've gone into dungeons only posting the OCCASIONAL statement in auto-translate. And not once have I been booted or had a JP player leave due to me being "gaijin"

(BTW, you shouldn't be using that term. It's extremely offensive for those who actually understand what it means and its origin.)

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Originally Posted by Noata

This is priceless the way they are attacking the people supporting the Japanese just proves their point...

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Ironically, what you're doing is not any better, just on the other end of the spectrum.

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the NA audience is a bunch of rude and obnoxious kids.

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Please, do show us your obviously detailed and scientifically sound and not completely anecdotal data to support that assertion, I mean, you can't possibly be just stereotyping right?

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we are generally disliked by other countries because of the attitudes we have.

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Time for someone to study recent events.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

Would you run Coil of Bahamut or Titan hard with someone who can't understand any of your instructions? If you have 7/8 people talking in English, would you be ok to have the 8th member talking only Japanese and either having to translate everything every time (if one of you can speak Japanese) or not being able to explain anything at all?

probably not, and they are the same.
they are just being practical.

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Yes, let us insult Japanese people by stating that they are unable to learn the most important international language for both business and academia.

I feel the same way about Ultima as OP does. The JP Community servers are much better environments than the EU/NA ones. And I too no longer use the E in Duty finder.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

Honestly I'm amazed that OP wasn't immediately booted from DF parties for being a gaijin. OP, are you being a fake JP? Do you speak any English in these parties, or do they know you're a gaijin?

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Haha, My FC is literally named "Gaijin" Its the largest English speaking FC on Ultima.


The reason I chose a Japanese Server was because I played FFXI for 11 years, I enjoyed the companionship even if we have to talk [Like this].

I ended up being forced into a JP server on my 1.0 character due to never getting an email in regards to a server transfer. During Phase 4 Beta I was dead set on transferring servers all the way up into 2 weeks into the games life cycle. But now I'm pretty attached to the server and the FC I'm in and I don't really want to leave now. The community as a whole has been nice and friendly even if I can't understand them we still help each other out.

To be honest OP I'm not surprised. With every game I've played that had the option of playing with the Japanese it's always been the same result. Polite Japanese, and mostly more vocal/haughty Westerners. I think it just all comes down to cultural differences.

But while they are polite they to can be xenophobic/racist not all of course but some. From my experience I believe both West and East house trouble makers. It is more prevalent in the West, but I don 't think there truly is a community that is a Utopia.

My experience with North American players are much better than MMO forums would led one to think, even in WoW.

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Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl

Yes, let us insult Japanese people by stating that they are unable to learn the most important international language for both business and academia.

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Being a foreigner in Japan for almost 4 years now I can assure you it is not a myth unfortunately
And on the other side, if you could read Japanese, you would see that on the Japanese boards they are having the same discussion
most of the post in the topic are about players wishing they could speak english more to play with other players

and important language for academia in Japan? let me laugh! I have Japanese english teachers asking me for advice... and english is not even my first language...
even in my company, my direct boss from the "international team" does not speak english

of course, there are quite a few people who can speak english, the ones who studied abroad or worked abroad. But if you always lived in Japan and have MMORPG as hobby, don't expect to speak english

and please do not take this post as an attack in any way, I am a Japan White Knight. it is my host country by choice. I love the country and its people ;)
But the English education is style far behind what it should be

EDIT: I assumed reading your post that Japanese people HAD to speak english because it is an "international language for both business and academia." which I just do not think is true. But if that is now what you meant sorry sorry ^^