47 ifrit kills, 7 garuda kills... NO SPEAR DROPPED AT ALL

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Originally Posted by BrainWoodstock

So you have 4 DL peaces and the rest of the group also, why should Garuda be a problem, did you even read what i wrote. DL is way better than lvl 30 rings etc and also than the 45 gear.

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You said lvl 45 blue equip. Maybe i misunderstood as being both of those and not one or the other.

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Originally Posted by WarJunkie

And really there is nothing SE can do about it.

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Tokens.

And get rid of the old, outdated, ridiculous rng system.

This is a ridiculous thread.

For every one of those runs you did, someone walked home with a happy weapon, ecstatic that they got something.

You got super unlucky, and I feel really sorry for you, but this isn't a problem with the game.

Though, I wouldn't mind if it didn't drop a weapon if there wasn't a corresponding class in the fight.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

This is a ridiculous thread.

For every one of those runs you did, someone walked home with a happy weapon, ecstatic that they got something.

You got super unlucky, and I feel really sorry for you, but this isn't a problem with the game.

Though, I wouldn't mind if it didn't drop a weapon if there wasn't a corresponding class in the fight.

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People are screaming out for full dl with i70 weapon minimum for cm and ak speed runs. Thats why it matters. I am being shunned from runs due to this terrible rng system. I pretty much have to beg, and after finally getting in, they get that I know how to play after a run, and keep me in for more. Most people do not even give me a shot...

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Originally Posted by Zerosix

People are screaming out for full dl with i70 weapon minimum for cm and ak speed runs. Thats why it matters. I am being shunned from runs due to this terrible rng system. I pretty much have to beg, and after finally getting in, they get that I know how to play after a run, and keep me in for more. Most people do not even give me a shot...

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That must be you server than, never heard someone say you need i70 weapong so you allowed to go ak with us... the only fight where you need that weapong is titan and only dd.

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Originally Posted by Zerosix

People are screaming out for full dl with i70 weapon minimum for cm and ak speed runs. Thats why it matters. I am being shunned from runs due to this terrible rng system. I pretty much have to beg, and after finally getting in, they get that I know how to play after a run, and keep me in for more. Most people do not even give me a shot...

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Lol at this. You should just ignore those ppl for CM and use the DF. I did some speed runs with the morons spamming chat and they are failures that stand in fire and die to stupid mechanics. Their runs were a whole 3-5 mins shorter than the DF runs I did for CM. You should not do AK though until you get an Ifrit weapon. If you get all of your DL jewelry you could try garuda, maybe better luck there.

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Originally Posted by BrainWoodstock

That must be you server than, never heard someone say you need i70 weapong so you allowed to go ak with us... the only fight where you need that weapong is titan and only dd.

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I see this all the time in Mor Dhona. I laughed the first time i saw ppl spamming full DL and relic weapon for CM speed runs, I thought it was a joke. I put on a bunch of vendor lvlv 45 gear and a few crafting jewelry pieces and asked for an invite lol. We completed the whole thing in 40 minutes because no one could stay out of red stuff overlapped on the ground. And most failed at skipping mobs. I then did a DF run in the same gear and we did it in 30 minutes. It is so stupid to pay repair costs on your l33ts gears when you can do the run just as fast in vendor whites.

Sadly I have Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan spears lol. Didn't plan on playing a drg but guess I should lvl mine soon

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Originally Posted by Snap

I wish I could get into that many groups to run 47 + , I have trouble finding groups that will take someone WITHOUT a relic !!!!

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If the group is looking for people specifically with certain gear, you don't get to join if you don't have it. I fail to see the problem.

As for what you could do...

I'd say start a party yourself, join one that is not speed running with relics, or just use the DF.
If anyone in the DF yells at you for not having a relic weapon, kindly remind them that they did not have their relic either upon reaching 50 and running the dungeon.


OT: I don't mind the RNG, I just wish that it would drop weapons based on what classes are there. Every time a wrong weapon drops, I beat a puppy. Please SE, think of the puppies.

Just adding to the stats of this thread, 29 Ifrit kills:

• 0 Axe drops
• 1 Lance drop
• 1 Sword drop
• 2 WHM staff drops
• 3 Bow drops
• smattering of BLM/SCH/SMN weapons and a few (~5) MNK weapons

I can see 1 weapon dropping if there were only 4 people, but 1 weapon drop for 8 people is ridiculous imho. 7 people are going to walk away disappointed, or with no weapon at all.

I've lost count how many HM Ifrit runs I've done as a WHM, and never seen the Cane drop. First, you have to have the RNG roll for the item you want AND THEN you have roll against the others who still need it.

At the very least, change the loot table so it drops 2 weapons. The way it is currently is ridiculous, very frustrating and terrible design.

Cry me a river. I never once got Ifrit's Harpoon. I either lost the roll to other DRGs, or it was another fucking SMN book. Nor have I obtained Garuda's Beak. This was after many, many kills and many, many tears of disappointment. Went on to kill Titan in a mix of AK/DL gear and my GC spear, got my relic and Titan's spear dropped the same day. Go figure, thing is ugly as hell. RNG is stupid, but it doesn't look to be changing anytime soon, so don't continuously farm a boss for one piece of loot that's not even needed.

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Originally Posted by AldricBranchais

RNG is stupid, but it doesn't look to be changing anytime soon, so don't continuously farm a boss for one piece of loot that's not even needed.

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SE could very well change the reward system if there is enough discontent; therefore, discussions like these are valuable and are in no way a waste of effort.

would you be able to acquire garuda's weapon even if you already have ifrit's? thanks a lot

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Originally Posted by Raenryong

SE could very well change the reward system if there is enough discontent; therefore, discussions like these are valuable and are in no way a waste of effort.

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I believe it is working as intended, It is luck based and hard to get, people is falling in the same crap complaints that screw up most mmos out there.

It is too hard to lvl->this game is just for players without life
It is too easy to lvl->this game sucks I got to end game really fast no content in it at all
It is too hard to gear up->They should change the system so i can get my gear fast
It is too easy to gear up-> I got my gear really fast and now i have nothing to do this game sucks

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Originally Posted by BrainWoodstock

If i want to play only 2 or 3 hours a week, i can play single players or other genres. MMO'S are not ment for this typ of players, if the would make the game like that, people would be max gear in the first week.

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I am not a 2 or 3 hour a week player. more like 2 or 3 hour a night player (on average... some nights more than others). Still doesn't change the fact that I feel like stabbing my eyes out with a blunt object would give me more pleasure than to repeatedly clear some content 65 times. (even with a good group, at around 40mins per run, and 30mins waiting for instance reservation, that is a total of 75 hours of gameplay to get full darklight. 3 hours a day is 25 days to get this gear... it is not a challenge, it is NOT fun (if you think it is fun you are either lying or a closet masochist), and there is no reason for that. What are you proving? I mean honestly! What are you proving?

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Originally Posted by Sapulha

I believe it is working as intended, It is luck based and hard to get, people is falling in the same crap complaints that screw up most mmos out there.

It is too hard to lvl->this game is just for players without life
It is too easy to lvl->this game sucks I got to end game really fast no content in it at all
It is too hard to gear up->They should change the system so i can get my gear fast
It is too easy to gear up-> I got my gear really fast and now i have nothing to do this game sucks

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What I believe you are pointing out is "balance". For everything there needs to be balance. I am not by any means asking for instant gratification. What I am asking for is less boring gameplay. if you want me to run something 65 times, why not make 4 dungeons that are all equal (which even if you could clear all 4 level 50 dungeons in the same amount of time and effort they are not equal on what drops out of them... 2 don't drop any gear at all, and one that does drops worse gear than the other, making AK the best all around). Then instead of running 1 dungeon 65 times, I would run 4 dungeons each around 16 times.

Many other games combat this issue very easily, make us be forced to "random" into the group of 4 dungeons (which should also drop equal rewards), and provide a small incentive to do so. Heck you could strip out all the tomes dropping from the dungeon themselves and attach them as the random queue reward. Then spread the loot table from AK out across all four dungeons. Problem solved. Gearing up takes the same amount of time (roughly) and feels better.

I got it 2nd try for both weapon(Ifrit and Garuda)....and I never saw any spear drop agian :\

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Originally Posted by blessed

would you be able to acquire garuda's weapon even if you already have ifrit's? thanks a lot

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Yes! you can :)

Did Ifrit once, got the spear. GG. I bought a lottery ticket too but seems I used up all my luck on Ifrit.

I think i did like 50 tries between 2 days

35 with griefers, rage quitters, i will skip this goddamn weapon and buy hq aeolian, always sch drops, from 10 sucess 8 were bow and books

I CANT EVEN FINISH AK....

wow...after reading it it seems that the drop rate for SMN/SCH weapons is 5x higher than every other weapon. ifrit's blade and garuda's gaze are nice and all...but i'm not sure if i'm willing to grind that much for a single weapon. at least mythology tomestones come out at a specific rate, even though your limited to a specific amount per a week.


well...screw that. guess i'll start on af then. get darklight and possibly start gathering myth tomestones for af+1 armor while i'm at it.

Yeah, the game is just so disappointing at endgame. Grind after grind after grind. RNG just irritates me so much and it's just lazy mans content.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

wow...after reading it it seems that the drop rate for SMN/SCH weapons is 5x higher than every other weapon.

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I have all the caster weapons from greeding and have yet to see the monk, bard, or dragoon weapons. Think I broke 40 runs tonight. Maybe someday they'll look at the % drop chance(after the weapons are worthless). "oh shit, we gave the caster weapons 30% drop rate and the rest 2%....our bad".

Oh well, not worth getting mad about it. It's just yet another mmorpg "white whale" for me to hunt. Not the first and certainly not the last.

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Originally Posted by Ashbeard

I have all the caster weapons from greeding and have yet to see the monk, bard, or dragoon weapons. Think I broke 40 runs tonight. Maybe someday they'll look at the % drop chance(after the weapons are worthless). "oh shit, we gave the caster weapons 30% drop rate and the rest 2%....our bad".

Oh well, not worth getting mad about it. It's just yet another mmorpg "white whale" for me to hunt. Not the first and certainly not the last.

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it's completely random... i see axes and bows drop all the time, yet i've never gotten a book from either garuda or ifrit

Lance dropped on my 70th run.

How is that fair?

Seriously SE, RNG is an old and outdated system.

Ok so i might get an item drop if i redo the ifrit fight and fight/refight the others or is it just on hard mode primal battles.

Only hard modes drop items.

spear dropped in a ifrit hard with x3 drg in it, was hilarious to see them freak out.
Too many damn drg in the game, probably why they made it super rare drop :P

At least an intelligent loot drop system would be better than pure RNG. Out of my 26 kills to get my sword i got the Ifrit claws, bow, lance and sch book from greeding. Having weapons drop for classes that aren't there are all, or have the weapon (which would be harder to code obviously) is completely ridiculous. Also I totally support 2 chests instead of 1 for 8 people, that is just obvious.

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Originally Posted by Sapphires

spear dropped in a ifrit hard with x3 drg in it, was hilarious to see them freak out.
Too many damn drg in the game, probably why they made it super rare drop :P

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change drg for brd

gotta love how they start crying before pulling ,oh 1$!"$! another 2 bards ...killed it 5000000000 times and now im going to lost the roll to some !"%!%!

Over 20 kills of Ifrit- I didnt ever see weapon for monk. I will no longer try to kill Ifrit- It would be much faster to kill Titan and make relic weapon. Good by, Ifrit-content

They're supposed to be "rare" endgame items, not every single person is supposed to have one (it is possible, if you want it so badly, but don't ask it to be given to you). I'm glad SE is sticking to some of old-school elements of MMORPG's. I and alot of others do not want another WoW.

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Originally Posted by Kraun

They're supposed to be "rare" endgame items, not every single person is supposed to have one (it is possible, if you want it so badly, but don't ask it to be given to you). I'm glad SE is sticking to some of old-school elements of MMORPG's. I and alot of others do not want another WoW.

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Rare- it means that item drops from enemy with chance 0,001. From primals drop 100% rate. They need to fix randomization

The drop needs to be changed so it is actually relevant to the jobs in the Duty. I can't tell you how many times I have ran Garuda and an Arcanists Grimoire has been dropped without a SMN/SCH being present in the party...
I'm on about my 70th Garuda HM run now and have yet to see Garuda's Van. At least the yield of Tomestones kind of makes up for that, but I remain hopeful that the weapon is dropped soon.

EDIT: Finally dropped it on my 82nd try. A Happy Black Mage. :)

I've done about 15 Ifrit's so far and have only ever seen the Grimoire (book) and the Sword (for Tanks) drop.... I think once I saw the bow.... NEVER anything else. NEVEERRRRRRR!!!

This loot system is either broken or I have the crappiest luck ever.

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Originally Posted by Kraun

They're supposed to be "rare" endgame items, not every single person is supposed to have one (it is possible, if you want it so badly, but don't ask it to be given to you). I'm glad SE is sticking to some of old-school elements of MMORPG's. I and alot of others do not want another WoW.

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You're post somehow implies that various weapons of a different class drop... How is that out 15 runs, I've never seen anything but Grimoire's & Swords, and ONE bow drop. That randomization is not very random IMO...

15 runs and you're already complaining? LoL.

I don't know, 3 Ifrit -> Lance
1 titan -> Lance

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week and a half straight I've been doing Ifrit and garuda. Did it so much I got my weekly 300 mythology stones maxed out and still haven't got my cane. I finally saw it today for the first time and hit need right away, and some ass greed on it and got the damn cane. Come on REALLY...

Primal weapons aren't needed for anything, ergo drop rates are fine. You can literally take a GC weapon straight to relic if you wanted to, or even an hq ilvl55 slotted with materia. I could see if you *had* to have them, but you dont. They are just yet another alternative for the other weapon options. No one has even mentioned the weapons that drop in WP.

The problem is that an old 1.0 mentality (primal weapons must-have) has been carried over to ARR. You dont need them; ever. They are only useful until you finish your relic quest, which doesnt take long at all. You can skip them entirely with no consequences. If you happen to get one by luck, then grats. If you don't, move on and get your relic. And no, you dont need primals for relic. Just need a solid weapon from dungeon/primal/hq crafted and keep it moving.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Primal weapons aren't needed for anything, ergo drop rates are fine. You can literally take a GC weapon straight to relic if you wanted to, or even an hq ilvl55 slotted with materia. I could see if you *had* to have them, but you dont. They are just yet another alternative for the other weapon options. No one has even mentioned the weapons that drop in WP.

The problem is that an old 1.0 mentality (primal weapons must-have) has been carried over to ARR. You dont need them; ever. They are only useful until you finish your relic quest, which doesnt take long at all. You can skip them entirely with no consequences. If you happen to get one by luck, then grats. If you don't, move on and get your relic. And no, you dont need primals for relic. Just need a solid weapon from dungeon/primal/hq crafted and keep it moving.

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When vanity slots come, some of those weapons look better/have better effects than some of the relics.