Please tell me the auto-login "feature" is only temporary

Well in retrospect, since people think modern mmos do not have a logout timers here is a list of some that do, in no particular order:

WoW
SWTOR
Star Trek Online
LOTRO
Rift
GW2
Neverwinter Online
Aion

And that's just to name some current and popular MMOs. (lol @ maple story and vinductus). It's industry standard and common practice to reduce server load, even when servers are not maxed. It makes smoother play for people who are actually playing, regardless of it not being capped at the moment. There is NO valid argument against an AFK timer as it takes 5 seconds to log back in, and people who do other stuff while in Q can tab back in every 25 mins to press A button. Not the end of world. You can QQ all you want, this wont go away.

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Originally Posted by ShizumiNeko

SE can't win, people was going on about how the wanted this in the game and now that it is people don't like it, why not just log back in and play the game and not afking, because the point of a game is to play it, nyan nyan ^ω^

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Welcome to the internet. I just wrote him off completely by the tone of his post. There are clearly still issues on some the JP servers and primetime NA/EU servers. This person is just complaining to complain, and even went so far as to blatantly lie about other games not having them. If your going to pick the most popular MMO to use in an argument make sure you do your research.

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Originally Posted by Freyjan

Except you have yet to make a legitimate complaint. A complaint, sure, but you have yet to back up your rants with why this feature is bad for the game.

The only 'issue' I can see is if you plan on afk-ing while in queue for DF, and if you're doing that it would imply you're going to be nearby to accept the queue once it pops. Thus, hitting a single key once every 29 minutes is not difficult. If the game logs you out under any other circumstance? You spend 15 seconds logging back in and continue playing.

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Exactly this. I haven't seen a single reason why I would consider this feature anything but good. If you want to idle in the DF queue, 30 minutes is plenty of time to do something to keep from logging out.

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Originally Posted by Somnus

If you go afk more than 30 mins you should have loged out anyways before. Also if you get thrown out after 30 min...just log back in? Where is the problem?

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Agreed. This was needed from the start.

To OP

Since you like to scream about what a mmo is meant to be like I'll make it simple. A mmo is a game designed to feel like a living breathing online world, no where in the world do you go in real life where people stand in place for HOURS on end not responding to anyone or anything around them!? NOWHERE

There is no reason this should be in the game as it effects the gameplay of others in more way than one. Stop poisoning the experience for others because your to lazy to simply log back in, or since getting around it is so easy why don't you post on here less and spend more time making macros to avoid it

Self centered Jack asses like you are the reason I refuse to work with the public

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Yea and with the horde of afks being logged out, the servers may be a lot more stable and areas not crouded for needless epeening. I mean I like to show off my scholar relic too but I can do so while actually playing the game.

And wow will log you out of the game back to char select and eventually back to login after that. They should do it that way too.

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Originally Posted by Bridgeburner

Congratulations, week-one complainers! You cried and cried and cried about the login queues. You demanded an AFK timer. Now you've got one! Isn't progress great?

Login queues were addressed well with the initial datacenter expansion. The biggest problem since then has been gil sellers.

Dev cycles don't respond instantly to your concerns, so instead of a right-click/blacklist button or some kind of effective anti-spam heuristics, you get an AFK timer.

Enjoy it. I hope it's everything you dreamed of.

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Pretty much exactly this. People complained for an AFK timer and now that its finally here, they complain that it's being implemented. Derp?

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It is a sad state of affairs that grown people are complaining that they have to log back into a game, when they have been away from it for 30 minutes or more.

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No, it's not, because they shouldn't have to do that. It's NOT NECESSARY OR NEEDED. As long as people can log in (which they can, I have not heard any complaining since after the last maintenance), this feature serves NO purpose other than to cause aggrivation. It may only be a minor annoyance to you, but it is still an annoyance and one we could do without. I object on principle. I don't care how easy it is to log back in, it shouldn't be necessary to have to do so in the first place. Things that aren't needed shouldn't be added to the game, whether you think they're bothersome or not.

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Oh so glad someone called out this BS post. If we are to allow games like Maplestory and Vindictus as evidence then you know your argument is weak.

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An MMO is an MMO. Just because you don't like it or think it's shitty, doesn't make it not an MMO. It's not a bullshit post, it is legitimate. They are MMOs, they don't have autologout features, it is a valid example. If you want to weigh the examples based on your opinion of their contribution to the MMO universe, then FFXI should count for all 5 since that the game that a lot of us came from and it didn't force people to log out after 30 minutes.

You're still taking up space that could be used for a player actually playing the game, or causing unnecessary server load. We all share the game. What insult is it to be removed when not using it?

If it's that much of a bother to you, you can use one of those anti afk kick macros you where talking about. Really, its not even an annoyance. If you're gone from you computer that long, what's 30 seconds of logging back in? I don't see how the extremely minor negative outweighs the minor positive.

30 minutes is a bit short. I'd make it an hour.

Does the AFK timer make any kind of warning noise before it logs you out? While I'm happy there's a timer, I can understand the concern of people who might alt-tab to say... browse the forums... while I'm the duty finder which can take more than 30 minutes. As long as there's some warning notification so you know to alt-tab back in, I don't see a problem.

I've had days where I've taken a 30 minute poop. So, bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

An MMO is an MMO. Just because you don't like it or think it's shitty....

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Well... to make your point valid, these games should have at least the same amount of concurrent connections than this or other popular MMOs have... If those games doesn't have that is because they DONT have that many connections.... Is simple logic my friend. The games that have implemented that is because the big amount of attempts they have at the same time, as simple as that, which means is NEEDED. Also you mentioned about you don't having 1017, that's irrelevant because you are not the WHOLE community, I've had it 2 times since the server upgrade last week and I'm in a JP server, I was login into the game in NA prime time not JP time.

Hold on guys, I gotta go make a 30 minute sandwich! :b haha

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Originally Posted by Gramul

You're still taking up space that could be used for a player actually playing the game, or causing unnecessary server load. We all share the game. What insult is it to be removed when not using it?

If it's that much of a bother to you, you can use one of those anti afk kick macros you where talking about. Really, its not even an annoyance. If you're gone from you computer that long, what's 30 seconds of logging back in? I don't see how the extremely minor negative outweighs the minor positive.

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If the server isn't at capacity, then you're not taking up space. There is enough room for everyone.

I can use a macro to avoid the kick, but I shouldn't have to do it. The fact that this is possible just illustrates how pointless this "feature" is. Having it benefits nobody. You admit the positive is minor, as is the negative. If neither the benefits nor the pitfalls have a substantial impact, then why did they waste time implementing it in the first place?

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Well... to make your point valid, these games should have at least the same amount of concurrent connections than this or other popular MMOs have...

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They do. In Maplestory, pretty much everyone is dogpiled on the first server that was set up for the game, and subsequently dogpiled in the first channel way beyond how may people should really be on it. There are idle people all over the place and still there's no afk kick timer. The experience is much smoother on the other servers, but they still didn't need it. Why punish everyone when one server is overcrowded?

What about the influx of new players once digital sales resume? And what about PS4 players?

You don't know how bad it might get. Leave the auto-logout alone!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

If the server isn't at capacity, then you're not taking up space. There is enough room for everyone.

I can use a macro to avoid the kick, but I shouldn't have to do it. The fact that this is possible just illustrates how pointless this "feature" is. Having it benefits nobody.

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Server load is server load even if the server isn't capped. The servers will lag more at 95% cap than they would at 80%, even if they are not maxed. Why do you fail to understand this. You are still taking up space regardless of the server reaching it's maximum limit or not.

Would ya look at that. First time i'm able to log right in after getting home from work! Thank you auto-logout!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

There can be many unexpected circumstances that could pull you away from your computer for 30 minutes or more, making this timer ridiculously short. Login issues mostly went away after the last big maintenance, so why did they still feel the need to put this in? People aren't really staying logged in just to keep a spot on the server anymore, because it hasn't been necessary.

Please, remove this needless feature once the worlds are stable , or make it on by default but optional in the configuration. If you don't, people are going to make keyboard macros and stuff to circumvent it, so it's pointless anyway.

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30 mins is too long anyway, lets shoot for 15 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Somnus

If you go afk more than 30 mins you should have loged out anyways before. Also if you get thrown out after 30 min...just log back in? Where is the problem?

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I like to go walk my dog while waiting in my 45 minute dps queue.

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Originally Posted by Somnus

If you go afk more than 30 mins you should have loged out anyways before. Also if you get thrown out after 30 min...just log back in? Where is the problem?

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Sometimes I am qued for a dungeon for more than 30 mins. Should I really be kicked out of the game and lose my place in the que simply because I forgot to walk around while I wait? No. This the auto-time out feature should be an optional feature in the system configuration for people like you. It is not for everyone, and takes away from gameplay.

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Originally Posted by RoosterAgathos

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Your're Welcome. You can close this tread now devs.

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Again, you illustrated how stupid and pointless the autologout feature is. Anyone who gives a shit can defeat it easily. Thus, there is no point in having it in the first place. Why make people resort to such silly measures?

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30 mins is too long anyway, lets shoot for 15 minutes.

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I dare them to do it, and I dare you not to get annoyed at having to re-log in every time you have to get up from the PC for more than a minute.

Things often don't go as planned. Sometimes a brief AFK can turn into something longer. If it has to exist, it should be at least an hour. make it any shorter and more people are going to raise a ruckus over it.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Again, you illustrated how stupid and pointless the autologout feature is. Anyone who gives a shit can defeat it easily. Thus, there is no point in having it in the first place. Why make people resort to such silly measures?

I dare them to do it, and I dare you not to get annoyed at having to re-log in every time you have to get up......

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There is no reason to ever need to do anything like that. You are just being absolutely ridiculous. There are servers where people still get 1017 on prime time, especially JP. That right there makes the AFK kick worth it. Second you are putting undue stress on the server for no reason other than you being lazy or wanting to be entitled.

The only people that have any sort of argument, and its still a small one, is DPS waiting in queue. And I say its small because I don't know why you would waste that time and not progress something else in the game. I would rather farm and make gil while I wait.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

There can be many unexpected circumstances that could pull you away from your computer for 30 minutes or more.

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Name one legitimate case where you actually NEED to remain logged in while you're not at the computer.

It's not that complicated to log back in if you need to be away for more than 30 minutes.

Most MMORPGs have a 10 or 15 minutes auto afk. 30 minutes is stupidly and unnecessarily generous as it is.

Again...let's hear one good, legitimate reason that your character needs to be unattended for 30+ minutes at a time.

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Originally Posted by Moth

Sometimes I am qued for a dungeon for more than 30 mins. Should I really be kicked out of the game and lose my place in the que simply because I forgot to walk around while I wait? No. This the auto-time out feature should be an optional feature in the system configuration for people like you. It is not for everyone, and takes away from gameplay.

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Sometimes the dungeon queue fires, a person is AFK (almost always a DPS) and the queue messes up and puts you at the end again. Its rare, but it happens (WoW's queue does this on rare occasions too). regardless, its annoying to have to wait to cycle through several attempts to complete group.
So yes, I am glad that there is a lesser chance of this situation happening. 30 minutes is a *VERY LONG* time to not be at your keyboard.

I wanted to throw my two cents in here with my specific circumstances. I personally could benefit from the timer being 45 minutes.

For example, I've been spamming Ifrit HM to get a bow for the past few days while my daughter is in pre-school. As a DPS I have a longer wait time than a tank or a healer, which I'm not complaining about because I use it as an opportunity to do other things around the house. The average wait has been 25-35 minutes, and longer at times.

I enjoy the ability to look for a group while I can get some other things done. I realize that housecleaning punctuated by a 10-minute MMO fight here and there is the epitome of a first world luxury, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy that luxury.

I'd be fine with bumping it up to 45 minutes; I think anything more than that would be too long. Either way, this isn't going to cause me to uninstall the game and cancel my subscription or anything, just a different viewpoint to add to the voices already here.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

There can be many unexpected circumstances that could pull you away from your computer for 30 minutes or more, making this timer ridiculously short. Login issues mostly went away after the last big maintenance, so why did they still feel the need to put this in? People aren't really staying logged in just to keep a spot on the server anymore, because it hasn't been necessary.

Please, remove this needless feature once the worlds are stable , or make it on by default but optional in the configuration. If you don't, people are going to make keyboard macros and stuff to circumvent it, so it's pointless anyway.

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Oh this is just a sad debate. If you aren't actively playing, then after 30 minutes you should be kicked. If you're in queue, you can craft, do fates, leves... there is a whole world of possibilities. If you choose to AFK then you have a 30 minute window to jump to show you're there.

If this is truly a break it point for some of you, then I couldn't be happier to see you go because this has benefit written all over it. Keep the servers clean from AFK abusers and filled with people who actively want to play.

Childish moaning and outlandish what ifs, I hope, won't sway SE to change their minds on this implementation.

I'm really surprised these is this many supporters of this. I guess I look at it like this. While I think auto-logout is stupid and pointless, it will log out all you supporters so I will never have login problems and yet, I will never be kicked out either. I guess its a win for me.

Hey maybe now I can ride by Quarrymill without the server IMPLODING from the 300 afk people there.

And Odin might ACTUALLY BE DOABLE because the map server isn't as loaded! Being able to just login without a queue will be nice too. (Yes, the server I play on still had a queue).

I honestly can't believe anyone could logically be against an idle kick. The idea of opposing it defies all reason and logic.

Your argument seems to be based on the idea that it shouldn't be there. But the thing is, it is and it can be easily circumvented if you hate it that much. It balances server load to those actually playing. There really is no point to stay on that long and do nothing and you can easily just log back in.
It seems to me this is making a mountain out of a ditch.

I don't see the disadvantage here.

Wow another feature that the majority wants and the minority whines about just like quick runs. All these posts about quick runs and auto logouts are supported by the majority of people in the threads and only the minority are the ones crying. Deal with it. This is what most people wanted and they got it. If auto log off and quick runs are a game breaker for you then obviously this game was not what you were looking for.

Why people complain over this now is for me... A bigger question actually. WoW has this, and even shorter. Be away 10 minutes or so and you must log back into the game. So does Rift and TERA. These are the other MMOs I have played. When you are playing MMOs and you are looking into raids/dungeons or leveling or basically playing MMO at all, MAKE SURE YOU GOT THE TIME. It is pointless playing MMO when you know there is stuff going to happen in your life. Play an hour or so before bedtime for example. IF you are going to school the next day. Or right after school if you need to relax before you are doing your homework. That is if you are a student.

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Originally Posted by Mistmonster

I'm really surprised these is this many supporters of this. I guess I look at it like this. While I think auto-logout is stupid and pointless, it will log out all you supporters so I will never have login problems and yet, I will never be kicked out either. I guess its a win for me.

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Its a win for all people who actually support this because they are not the one who would be afk for more then 30 min at a time and if they happen to have a circumstance which makes them afk for 30+ min they arent crying cause it takes them 1 minute to log back in.

So to bring up valid reasons why the timer is 30 minutes and not longer, there isn't a crap ton of realms yet because there isn't a need for them. Unlike World of Warcraft, you can AFK for about 6 hours before being kicked to the login screen, but Blizzard also has 241 realms in North America and 263 in Europe, this is why they can allow such large AFK timers, they have more realms for their 6-7 million players to access, with about 3-5 of them on NA that ever reach player cap and having a login queue, and about 5-8 in EU, most of the others are semi populated to some that a really barren, but not much they can do about that since they wont merge realms or offer players on the barren worlds free transfers off to the medium populated servers so they can shut down worlds, but most of the realms are like this because they've lost 5+ million players since Wrath of the Lich King.

For those DPS who are saying they liked to queue for Duty Finder then AFK for longer than 30 minutes:

As a tank, I've had several duties try to commence, only to have one of the DPS fail to confirm, which is baffling considering the compaints I've heard. If you want the duty enough to queue for it, at least be around when it's ready to join. It's not a big deal for me since it's just a few minutes wasted, but I figure it's a huge deal for a DPS role to miss it. So if you want to go walk your dog or drive your kid somewhere, the auto-logger isn't really your problem. There's tons of other stuff to do in the game while you wait for a duty to commence, I suggest you do that, or something nearby so you can hear when it's ready. Hell, if I was mostly playing DPS, I would've found a tank or healer friend to queue with by now so I wouldn't have to wait so long.

1 hour would be acceptable.

30 minutes is too short.

I'd prefer if it was removed completely but I understand this is a smart business move for SE. They can cram more players on the servers if there aren't AFKers taking up connections.

SE probably wanted to auto-logout from the beginning but thought there would be backlash. Now they are enjoying the playerbase making the decision for them. Save lots of cash not having to create more servers.

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Originally Posted by tukuiPat

So to bring up valid reasons why the timer is 30 minutes and not longer, there isn't a crap ton of realms yet because there isn't a need for them. Unlike World of Warcraft you can AFK for about 6 hours before being kicked to the login screen, but Blizzard also has 241 realms in North America and 263 in Europe, this is why they can allow such large AFK timers, they have more realms for their 6-7 million players to access, with about 3-5 of them on NA that ever reach player cap and having a login queue, and about 5-8 in EU, most of the others are semi populated to some that a really barren, but not much they can do about that since they wont merge realms or offer players on the barren worlds free transfers off to the medium populated servers so they can shut down worlds, but most of the realms are like this because they've lost 5+ million players since Wrath of the Lich King.

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Nice made up numbers WoW is still 15 min Kick out to char screen and 15mins in char screen to total dc

I don't mean to dig up posts, but I saw this under "for sake of playability, please cap number of people in a zone at a time" (Sept. 10):

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

e.g. when Behemoth or Odin spawn, practically the whole server runs over to participate, resulting in amazing lag. tons of people disconnect, you can't see anything, everybody dies, and you can't return, you just get stuck in limbo. So please, cap the number of people that can enter the zone. Not everyone may get to participate, but at least the people who are there can actually play.

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If there is no afk timer AND there's a zone cap like you wanted, what stops people from staying (maybe afk) in Coerthas and locking players out of the zone so they can't participate? Isn't being locked out of a zone similar to being locked out of the game due to afkers?

It seems like you just make suggestions that are beneficial to yourself. If you wanted to just do things the way you want, go play a single player game instead