Post Your Solution For Gil Generation

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Originally Posted by jmdatcs

I can't say for sure because I'm not 50 yet, but I can give you an idea.

I ate food that increased gathering and farmed exactly as long as it lasted, 30 min.

During that time I got ~175 regular ores and ~30 high quality. I'm not sure what the high quality sells for. Let's say the high quality compensates for what you would have got without the food and call it 2 stacks.

I was a level or two over, but my gear was lagging so the rate would have been about the same at level with level appropriate gear.

Based on that I can guess at 10k every 30 min., which isn't bad with people saying a raid repair bill is around 500gil.

But that is just my best guess. You would need to ask a level 50 miner in level 50 gear to be sure.

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Can I get someome to confirm this? 10k for 30 mins would be an amazing way to get gil.

Allow selling mats for more than 1-2 gil. Even if it's still only 10-300 gil like in 1.0. Also FATEs, Dungeons, Quests, and Leves hardly support a player.

Before someone says HURR LEVEL A DOL/H. I have. I'm not even talking about my own gil generation. I mean for the economy. Right now hardly any gil is coming in, and more and more keeps sinking out because of repairs/ports/transportation/etc.

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Originally Posted by Furious

Besides 1-time activities (quests, 1st completes, etc - which cannot be repeated), there is no gil generation in this game that doesn't incur a repair loss greater than the gil introduction.

If you think there isn't a gil problem, it's because you aren't 50 and running endgame content yet. Repairs are draining me faster than I can believe. There is almost NO gil introduction once you have done the one-time content, and the gil removal goes up to a ridiculous degree at endgame.

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I would have to say that what I am gathering from this is:

1. Gear wears out way too fast. (in my opinion I don think think you should be repairing your equipment more than maybe once or twice a week)

2. Fates, leve's, ect all need to award more gold OR mobs in the dungeons..fates..ect need to drop gold on top of what is awarded at the end.

3. People should be able to trade/sell unique equipment they find in dungeons.

I just want to chime in with my 2 cents.. not that it means much but I don't care. Anyways, Every mmo I have played has some sort of daily quests that rewards money for doing them. You could essentially "survive" by just doing the dailies everyday. This game lacks that completely and if FFXIV wants to win over the crowd of people coming from all of these other games that do not require you to craft or gather crap and play the AH then it better fix this because people will either leave or resort to buying gil from these spammers.

((((Do you honestly think that all of these gil sellers are spamming in town because they just feel like it? Absolutely not!!! There is a market for it and it is blowing up with customers!!!!)))))

Problem is in a month max, the market board might be useless for selling stuff since people are already undercutting on items down to vendor price and undercutting on items that are not even selling yet by 1-5k gil.
I have even found stuff below vendor value, but still more expensive since the retainer is in the wrong town so you get fee's on top lol.
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How is SE planning on making people actually make money later into the game when people got everything?
And how are we going to afford houses / free company houses if there is no real way of making gil?
Feels like you are helping the gil sellers by not giving any real way of making gil.

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Originally Posted by Ormathon

Problem is in a month max, the market board might be useless for selling stuff since people are already undercutting on items down to vendor price and undercutting on items that are not even selling yet by 1-5k gil.
I have even found stuff below vendor value, but still more expensive since the retainer is in the wrong town so you get fee's on top lol.
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How is SE planning on making people actually make money later into the game when people got everything?
And how are we going to afford houses / free company houses if there is no real way of making gil?
Feels like you are helping the gil sellers by not giving any real way of making gil.

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Thats the purpose of this thread bud. To try to dig up good ways to create gil. Maybe a dev will see peoples suggestions for what they can do to alleciate these problems.

There is no need for more gil generation. all that is going to do is make the numbers bigger for player to player transactions, and gil sinks trivial.

They will adjust it soon, even in 1.0 it didn't cost 6k to repair. They're just trying to bleed guys like me sitting on a fortune.

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Originally Posted by Neasa

Dungeons (You also get a bonus for first timers, at least in the lower ones).
Guildhests.
Leves.
FATEs.
NPCing all the random crap you accumulate.

There is no gil generation issue.

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Mathematically impossible.

I'm waiting for dailies in 2.1 that will hopefully reward a proper amount of gil for a level50 character.

edit: Yoshi announced it a week or so ago, I don't remember the link sorry. They didn't say the rewards, just "it will be needed for end game".

Honestly, there's no reason for repairs to even be in this game. The ways to make gil are so low now compared to 1.0, that having repairs is just silly.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Mathematically impossible.

I'm waiting for dailies in 2.1 that will hopefully reward a proper amount of gil for a level50 character.

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When did they announce dailies and what the rewards will be for 2.1? Link?

Dailies? :/ Why not weeklies? I mean, shoot, if they'd give us the first time bonus on doing dungeons every week, you can bet your rear end that I would be burning through those dungeons helping lowbies every week. I don't mind playing my rear end off for a day or two a week, but having to plow through dailies is just not cool at all for people who have things to do (or value their sanity). Even when I was in college I hated "dailies" in games because it got seriously old within a week. Yet, you had to do it for months on end.

Another option they could do is that they could give a gil bonus to areas that you have rep in. Seeing as we do not have reputation issues now, it could be that we can be given a gil reward by selling to our GC home city OR in lieu of the GC supply/provision badge reward we could get currency pieces or straight gil. Have there be a bonus for the HQ like there is currently. That would help in addition to allowing for player repairs and gathering DM again (this was in Beta3 iirc so I am not sure why it was changed in live). Or maybe give discounts for repairs at GC? I know these wont completely correct it but it will/can help.

Gil generation or Girls Generation :P

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Originally Posted by Ormathon

Problem is in a month max, the market board might be useless for selling stuff since people are already undercutting on items down to vendor price and undercutting on items that are not even selling yet by 1-5k gil.
I have even found stuff below vendor value, but still more expensive since the retainer is in the wrong town so you get fee's on top lol.
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How is SE planning on making people actually make money later into the game when people got everything?
And how are we going to afford houses / free company houses if there is no real way of making gil?
Feels like you are helping the gil sellers by not giving any real way of making gil.

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Why would anyone buy above the vendor price? Your logic baffles me. Of course people have to undercut vendors or else they will never sell. Basic economics...

But anyway, In response to the thread, there is already a way of gil generation in the economy. Higher level DoH leves are (within time bounds) infinite and produce boundless amount of gil. What I don't understand about people in this thread is what they thought the purpose of the DoH was? Merchants are primary money makers, not adventurers and this was by intentional design. You cannot be self sufficient by just leveling a DoW, which is what people want. Unfortunately, that's not how life (or the system in the game) is. Different paradigms were generated for the purpose of being played. Otherwise, the development team would have wasted hundreds of hours designing DoH and DoL if they are never necessary for a player to become if they want to be sufficient over time.

We don't need millions of millions of gil.

I would sooner there been a near perfect balance of Gil in and Gil out.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

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But anyway, In response to the thread, there is already a way of gil generation in the economy. Higher level DoH leves are (within time bounds) infinite and produce boundless amount of gil. What I don't understand about people in this thread is what they thought the purpose of the DoH was? Merchants are primary money makers, not adventurers and this was by intentional design. You cannot be self sufficient by just leveling a DoW, which is what people want. Unfortunately, that's not how life (or the system in the game) is. Different paradigms were generated for the purpose of being played...

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The amount of time farming mats for that "boundless gil" you are refering to ruins the enjoyment of the game for a lot of players. If you enjoy DoH than by all means go for it. But a lot of us dont.
As for undercutting he means he can make more SELLING to a vendor than on the boards, not buying.

Really all they need to do is allow dark matter to be gathered like it was before.

I can understand people saying that these people should just craft/gather in order to generate cash. That can work as a method for generating gil for the server (selling to NPC's) and as a way to make good money on the AH. However, I also understand the people who say they don't like crafting/gathering and they don't play an MMO to feel like they have a second job (outside of whatever they do in the real world to pay for their house..family..video game habits..ect).

Another point is this...whats the point of crafting to make money..if everyone else is required to craft also in order to play the game? If EVERYONE is running around as a lvl 50 crafter/gatherer than who the heck am I going to sell things to? Crafters should be able to craft and sell to a non-crafting community of people who choose to spend the majority of their time doing other things in the game.

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Originally Posted by CaZx

I can understand people saying that these people should just craft/gather in order to generate cash. That can work as a method for generating gil for the server (selling to NPC's) and as a way to make good money on the AH. However, I also understand the people who say they don't like crafting/gathering and they don't play an MMO to feel like they have a second job (outside of whatever they do in the real world to pay for their house..family..video game habits..ect).

Another point is this...whats the point of crafting to make money..if everyone else is required to craft also in order to play the game? If EVERYONE is running around as a lvl 50 crafter/gatherer than who the heck am I going to sell things to? Crafters should be able to craft and sell to a non-crafting community of people who choose to spend the majority of their time doing other things in the game.

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Well said my friend!

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Originally Posted by CaZx

I can understand people saying that these people should just craft/gather in order to generate cash. That can work as a method for generating gil for the server (selling to NPC's) and as a way to make good money on the AH. However, I also understand the people who say they don't like crafting/gathering and they don't play an MMO to feel like they have a second job (outside of whatever they do in the real world to pay for their house..family..video game habits..ect).

Another point is this...whats the point of crafting to make money..if everyone else is required to craft also in order to play the game? If EVERYONE is running around as a lvl 50 crafter/gatherer than who the heck am I going to sell things to? Crafters should be able to craft and sell to a non-crafting community of people who choose to spend the majority of their time doing other things in the game.

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Ya this person is right on the money. People seem to be missing the point that people who want to just adventure should be able to gain money through just doing that but currently a dungeon run makes you lose more then what you get from it and that's very bad. Not everyone wants to craft/gather and they have to accommodate for that or else they will just lose those players later on when they start to see there money is just vanishing and they are not making anything to pay for the repair bills.

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Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

Why would anyone buy above the vendor price? Your logic baffles me. Of course people have to undercut vendors or else they will never sell. Basic economics

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What I don't understand about people in this thread is what they thought the purpose of the DoH was? Merchants are primary money makers, not adventurers and this was by intentional design. You cannot be self sufficient by just leveling a DoW, which is what people want. Unfortunately, that's not how life (or the system in the game) is

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Vendor price = the price you can sell the item to a vendor. The term "vendoring" has been around, and even if its not clear, I'm uncertain how you can possibly not figured this one out.

As for the rest of your post. Yeah, sure. Thats what I want, a RL simulator. Sorry folks, I can't join your dungeon group. I work 8 hours in the coal mines every day to afford my weekend warrior habit.

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Originally Posted by Syfin

1) Leves award 6 allowances per 24 hours. This amount to roughly 3000 gil.
2) FATE- Roughly 95 gil per FATE.
3) Guildhest- 240gil after first completion bonus.
4) One-time only quests- Roughly 250,000 gil altogether.

Anyone else know of ways to CREATE gil that can fit into the majority of people's schedules?

Future solutions that devs may incorporate:

-After completing Hunting Log, make a repeatable weekly pafe that awards gil in place of exp.
-Creat a Bounty Board in adventurer's guild that allows hunting of NMs for gil.
-Increased amount of gil gained by selling to NPC
-Lowered repair costs
-Daily quests that award a fair amount of gil(suggested 10000 gil.)

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The ironic thing is they're kind of setting us up for RMT dependence. If the only real way for gil to be generated remains the main story, and the cross-account limits remain in place, the only people who will be able to really generate gil will be RMT. Normal players won't have the time, or be willing, to be doing the main story every other week so they can keep up w/ repair costs. And even if they did, they aren't even able to send that gil to their main character currently due to the cross-account limits. So the only people it's practical for are RMTs. They'd basically have the economy by the balls...

Many of you seem to be convinced that there's more gil being destroyed than created. My only question is how do you know for sure? SE would know the figures, and I'm sure they will make adjustments as time goes on(provided that an imbalance actually exists). They made all kinds adjustments to Legacy, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same for ARR. In the beginning its easier for SE to error on the side of deflation because its easier to add more gil than try to remove it. You all need to relax.

Right now it's difficult to generate a large amount of gil in a short time. Earning it via the market is one thing, but to grind fates and leves is a pain. Right now a single dungeon run costs me 1K gold even if I never actually die during it. And the dungeon I'm currently grinding(forget it's full name, I think it's CM, the level 50 one)only gives tomestones. No gil. So I'm loosing a huge amount of gil each run just to try and gear up... for the next dungeon.Just from the 6 runs I've done, I've spent over 6k gold. and I need to run it about... 40 more times if I'm crazy enough to complete the set. thats nearly 1k gil each time. so... 40 thousand gil, if it all goes off without a hitch. how many leves would I need to run just to compensate? about 80... just to break even. And the market is a very fickled thing. you can place something you think is a good price, and a dozen people will come in, under cut.So...yea, I need another reliable source of I'll be out of gil eventually.

Get rid of repairs.

Fixed.

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Originally Posted by Yashnaheen

Get rid of repairs.

Fixed.

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I'd say, repair only after being dead is enough. no need to get equipement wear when doing everything clear.
Also, let mobs in dungeon drop gils, make coffer drop gils too, and not items that you can sell for gils.

Can't you buy dark matter from your grand company?

Funny how there's so many of these threads yet people still cannot differentiate between gil generating in the economy versus redistribution of wealth through trading

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Originally Posted by chococo

Funny how there's so many of these threads yet people still cannot differentiate between gil generating in the economy versus redistribution of wealth through trading

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Not everyone gets it, and some will never understand. But the point you're making has been posted on almost every page.

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Originally Posted by Draucant

Can't you buy dark matter from your grand company?

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Yes, but it expensive its 5000 seals for only 5.

Once I hit lvl 10 and got my crafting gathering jobs I quit picking gear for quest rewards im level 20 now and I have around 13k saved in the lil pouches alone and I have skipped a lot of quests along the way30 min of just farming iron ore will net me about 800gil and that is a lvl 8 mining I think I cant wait to see how much lvl 50 mats sell forgil in this game is a joke but maybe it is worse at 50. I dont know I'm not in a rush though I'm just enjoying the grind

What I find most stupid is that everything sells for 1-4gil to NPCs. I just keep discarding the items I get from mobs from my inventory...

There are two things that I think will solve the issue.

First the dungeon imbalance. Make Allegan coins drop for everybody when a chest is looted, not just one person. Adjust the amount as needed but make looting every chest provide enough profit to fully repair plus a little more.

Second give us a level 50 levemete (currently we only have a level 45). Let us take leves up to level 54 and give them decent gil rewards. Enough that our 6 daily leves can pay for a great deal of open world repair costs.

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Originally Posted by FutanXIV

The ironic thing is they're kind of setting us up for RMT dependence. If the only real way for gil to be generated remains the main story, and the cross-account limits remain in place, the only people who will be able to really generate gil will be RMT. Normal players won't have the time, or be willing, to be doing the main story every other week so they can keep up w/ repair costs. And even if they did, they aren't even able to send that gil to their main character currently due to the cross-account limits. So the only people it's practical for are RMTs. They'd basically have the economy by the balls...

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But most of the Gil sold via RMT is stolen from hacked accounts, just like with every other MMO out there.

Casino!


Chocobo race gambling

1 gold allagan piece with leve regeneration


Extra Gil for leve speed completion . Lower time = higher quality allagan piece

Why not making enemies in dungeons drop much more gil? Other than covering repair costs, it would also make dungeons worth doing for more than just speed runs, as the more enemies you kill the more gil you get.

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Originally Posted by Hammerfist

Why not making enemies in dungeons drop much more gil? Other than covering repair costs, it would also make dungeons worth doing for more than just speed runs, as the more enemies you kill the more gil you get.

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This wold make tanks stop skipping trash

5 k repair bills for 7 runs is getting pricey

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Originally Posted by FutanXIV

The ironic thing is they're kind of setting us up for RMT dependence. If the only real way for gil to be generated remains the main story, and the cross-account limits remain in place, the only people who will be able to really generate gil will be RMT. Normal players won't have the time, or be willing, to be doing the main story every other week so they can keep up w/ repair costs. And even if they did, they aren't even able to send that gil to their main character currently due to the cross-account limits. So the only people it's practical for are RMTs. They'd basically have the economy by the balls...

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Yeah, it's hilarious how SE is so scared of RMT that they've taken such insane measures, and these measures have actually ENCOURAGED RMT to exist. They will be the ones keeping the economy alive, not the real players.

What if they just removed the degrading function of armor? I know this isn't the only gil sink, but it's by far the biggest one.