Final things THAT NEED to be in this game

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Originally Posted by Amage

thios doesnt make sense you seem to say that in 14 your know who is the owner of the retainer and able to know its not an rmt , me personally if i was making alot of dusk glove and need behemoth hides i would look at the ""SALES HISTORY"" and directly contact player to get mats when they are available you make no sense brah

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I'm not saying you know who the owner is, but if a retainer is spotted dealing strangely, price hiking etc, then their name can spead, just as if it was a player character.

If you look further down the post, I do say that I'd like to see player names linked to good being sold rather than doing everything through retainers anyway.

Was there anything else you didn't think made sense?

Why can't the auction house just work like it does in eBay and people bid until time runs out? Then we can still do retainers for people who want to buy right now instead of waiting for auction.

Why not have both, and just keep the auction house strictly for timed bidding?

edit: i'll stick this in the AH thread

The reason theres a retainer with a name different from your characters is so people can not harass you. One of the things bots did in XI was scan the Auction house for people who just bought items then spam gil spam directly to that player.

Eh... so I typed out this thing about how text boxes are kind of neat for searching, but decided against it. Maybe SE should just eat the sunk costs on this project, fire the entire team, beg the shareholders not to sue them, and call it quits.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

Also you aren't hardcore, no player is. It's merely a delusional status one gives themselves to justify spending a borderline unhealthy amount of time gaming which many of us are guilty of doing at some point in our lives.

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Haha, well said. That's exactly the same way I think about it.

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i dont care

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You obviously do care otherwise you wouldn't bother replying to it.

AH does help build community 100% based on what the person said above. You can see people selling and know who to message and also that is how crafters become so well known and like in FFXI if they add some way to sign your name to armor that would be a big deal to some people. Retainer wards only way if you know if a retainer is linked to someone is if by chance they have a similar name and even then it may not be linked to the person in question. People say that is not a valid point but you can't deny the facts.

Wards are tedious and boring. Auction houses are quick and simple. This argument is in the Auction House favor. However, SE has more important things to do at the moment because the Market Ward system, unfortunately, works for right now.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

AH does help build community 100% based on what the person said above. You can see people selling and know who to message and also that is how crafters become so well known and like in FFXI if they add some way to sign your name to armor that would be a big deal to some people. Retainer wards only way if you know if a retainer is linked to someone is if by chance they have a similar name and even then it may not be linked to the person in question. People say that is not a valid point but you can't deny the facts.

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You don't need to know the crafter's name if you know the retainer's name...

If they implement an AH, then I hope it's not the FFXI style of auction house. The limited AH slots and price history led to the rapid deflation and manipulation of certain items.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

You don't need to know the crafter's name if you know the retainer's name...

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Please explain how I can contact a retainer's owner if I don't know who the owner is, or how I can find a retainer's owner.

Knowing a retainers name doesn't help the community it may help the Economy but you may want to talk to the crafter and get on good terms with them. Gives a reason to message somebody that way you can bargain a price, make a new friend, try and purchase an + item so they can avoid tax. All of those things make interaction between players happen or at the very least give the possibility to do so and that helps build the community. There was many times on FFXI where I had went straight to the seller/crafter for materials and negotiated to get a better price or an exchange of craft services and that was always awesome feeling to me and gave a feeling and sense of accomplishment like I had just made successful business deal.

I see your point and I take note but my point is that it would help with community building and there is not any if, and or but to it.

I can agree with that. I would like to see a Message option on retainers. Basically just like you can do for Bazaars... Crafters could write a message that would appear when you click on a retainer. That way, if they would like people to know who they are, then they can write their character's name in the message.

You have to keep in mind that some people might not want to be "famous" as crafters.

I can see that point to some extent as well but then again the people that want to be famous are and the ones that don't want to be usually aren't. They don't usually promote themselves they just turn personal profit and the big crafters are the ones usually selling the NQ and HQ items and you see there name every time you go check the AH. Perhaps they could add an anonymous feature when selling stuff, that way those people could be happy and it would be in turn pretty neat because I have never seen anything like that in an MMO.

Sure. They could just add the name of the crafter somewhere in the Retainer window. That would be fine too... then just put an anonymous function for those that don't want it. That's also a good idea. ^_^

I am still for AH over Retainers =p, but It isn't anything that is game breaking to me.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

I am still for AH over Retainers =p, but It isn't anything that is game breaking to me.

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I prefer the current system because the only real negative (for me... some may not consider this a negative) it has compared to say, FFXI's AH system, is that I have to run to the NPC rather than getting the item instantly. I'm very much willing to do that in exchange for having a less exploitable market system.

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Originally Posted by Amage

do you play the game?

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I made a generalized statement that mmo in general do not need an AH system. That I seen games run for years w/o one and have tone of players.
PPl dislike market wards for the fact they got to walk around and don't get the Item instently. Well based on what ppl said.

Party flag I agree it would be nice to have.

anime is fine, its pretty much outpost warping with lore tied into it. Anime is pretty much a fail safe so we don't die from teleporting to the crystals, as it "stresses the body". Outpost warping didn't ruin exploration for ffxi.

rest of the stuff is hit or miss.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Sure. They could just add the name of the crafter somewhere in the Retainer window. That would be fine too... then just put an anonymous function for those that don't want it. That's also a good idea. ^_^

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I like it :)

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

I prefer the current system because the only real negative (for me... some may not consider this a negative) it has compared to say, FFXI's AH system, is that I have to run to the NPC rather than getting the item instantly. I'm very much willing to do that in exchange for having a less exploitable market system.

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there is another negative that will have to be dealt with when the time comes
and that is limited space in each ward.
eventualy, with enough players, the wards could actualy fill up......(ps3 release?)
of course the solution then is for people to use more then uldah(gee another concept that sounds familiar to the behest one filling one and using other camps)

but thats a bridge to cross when it gets there, and can also be solved by opening up new rooms when it gets bad.

In another jp mmo i played before, they have bulletin note with retainer that players can leave message there for bargain or any deal. When the owner back to retainer, he ll see all message with name and can choose whether to send tell or reply in same bulletin (good for offline contact too)

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I made a generalized statement that mmo in general do not need an AH system. That I seen games run for years w/o one and have tone of players.
PPl dislike market wards for the fact they got to walk around and don't get the Item instently. Well based on what ppl said.

Party flag I agree it would be nice to have.

anime is fine, its pretty much outpost warping with lore tied into it. Anime is pretty much a fail safe so we don't die from teleporting to the crystals, as it "stresses the body". Outpost warping didn't ruin exploration for ffxi.

rest of the stuff is hit or miss.

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this is like beating a dead horse with you . FFXI did well with ah , other mmo's are all like wow in that matter dont come into play with these type of mmo ffxi and ffxiv are not like others mmo's int aspect that it isnt a WoW clone like rift and etc etc

you say you played FFXI would you think that the items in that game would have worked with this system we have . Because they could have done retainers easy . the way things are going ppl are charging anything they want for items and its stupid that a lvl 20 sword be going for 300k and other be selling for 1m just for sheer profit with the ah im thinking they should make would have a slight tax increase

Retainers - 10% tax on items sold
Auction House - 20-25% tax on AH services and fees (this would promote use of ah and use of retainers )

bottom line is DO NOT COMPARE this to mmo's you have played in the past that are not SE made or FF related
If you comparing them to other causal friendly titles then your argument is to me is pointless ...

Now on another note you do not play this game know how the retainers work now . Now you may say this because i can tell what your gonna say you played alpha or Beta , well then sir/miss its not the same and again i say you go buy a copy of the game lvl and see what its like before you can act like you can make an educated guess on something you know little about if we didnt get patches at all and we were still on 1st day release mode i would agree that you know what your saying but we are not we are on patch 1.17 and you were only on beta or alpha , with that said i know you do not answer when you are called out for not playing the game and i think many would agree that you should stop trolling and got to the boards of a game you do play :cool::p

thank you

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Gluvan aka guivond aka Darkixion aka Amage aka Junko Uchiha aka Gluvan Dracul aka Sekki aka Sandworm aka Hariari aka The One telling you how it is

I had to say that i lolled hard at the notion thaat an AH would help in "building the community" :D

If any, it's the opposite.