Standing out of the red, and still getting hit

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Originally Posted by Stamar

I know how to move out of stuff..I'll be out of it before the cast is up, and still get hit

Im in Australia, playing at 200-300ms. I played WoW and Rift and had no issues moving out of attacks, it's only this game that is causing problems, either due to lag or animations.

I've heard a lot of noise around this from players that aren't in JP or NA.

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^this

I play from Australia and had no trouble avoiding stuff in other NA server based games with 200~300 ping but not in this game its not reaction time or lag is the mechanics and its a lot worse for a healer because we are not focusing on the boss we have party members targeted so we don't see the cast bars

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Originally Posted by KimimiAvesta

This *isn't* an ISP/internet problem - I've just checked my laptop on speedtest.net and my connection is apparently better than 94% of the planet (fibre optic broadband 71.29Mb/s download 15.83Mb/s upload). It also doesn't explain why myself and others are suffering this "lag" exclusively within FFXIV and not other MMOs or XBLA/PSN games we're playing.



My "solution" was to run straight at him whenever I was targeted (normal Titan, no idea if this'd OHKO a WHM in hard) - this meant I would definitely get hit, but I'd also never get knocked off the edge. Running to the side seems like the obvious thing to do but there were too many times when I'd run waaaaayyyyy wide of the marker and *still* end up knocked off the edge :/

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It also isn't a game issue either, since many players do not have any issues getting out of the red areas in time.

I have only been hit once outside of the aoe of any mob. But for those consistenty getting it I realise how frustrating it could be. "Please look forward to it"

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Originally Posted by Crica

It also isn't a game issue either, since many players do not have any issues getting out of the red areas in time.

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I don't think its that it doesn't happen, I think its more they just learned to compensate as 1.0 players did at that time just not as bad xd.

i'm playing for Australia and atm my latency is 300-490ms highest i've ever had for a mmo game that i was playing on an NA server. even if i move out at 45% cast bar i still get hit in dungeons it's not that bad in the world but in dungeons it's so much worse.
and for all the people that say there isnt a problem look at this someone posted in another thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3leMnErroL0

tell me he didnt get out of it!

Hello,

I posted this already here, but I guess it got lost in the posts, posting it again.

All those issues and more are the same problem, I put them all in this thread, support would be greatly appreciated :)

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29

Something I found that seems to help is not resizing the window the game opens in if you play with it windowed and not full screen, does not totally eliminate it, but it does seem to reduce it a bit. Not entirely sure why it makes a difference, but it does for me.

Did the normal Titan fight lastnight and ran into this problem. His knock off move would show, i would stop what i was doing and just run and yet i would still get hit by it. The thing was some of the times I would do the exact same thing and it wouldnt touch me. I also notice the red aggro line would still lock onto me even though I was out of the way. its really annoying and makes it look like I dont know what im doing.

I'm having 0 issues on my server. I'm on Hyperion and I live in new York city. The server time is 6 hours ahead of me so I know for a fact that Hyperion is a European server. I guess SE should of explained where each server actually is.

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Originally Posted by Aminore

I'm having 0 issues on my server. I'm on Hyperion and I live in new York city. The server time is 6 hours ahead of me so I know for a fact that Hyperion is a European server. I guess SE should of explained where each server actually is.

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Well, servers are in Canada. So I'd expect players from NA to have few problems.

As for me, I'm EU, and red circles are a pain. If I don't move out of AOE before cast is 50% I will most likely get hit.

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Originally Posted by KimimiAvesta

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it doesn't matter how fast your internet connection is, you are limited by the speed of light, so what then is the minimum lag from the US to japan, we will say around 6,000 miles as a good middle of the road distance.
speed of light is 186,000 miles/second so a minimum lag is 0.03seconds.of course this assumes a straight line between you and the server in actuality the message has to pass through a lot of different servers and won't likely take a direct route. and your lag is also the cumulative lag of all machines between you and the destination. a lag of 0.5-1.0seconds is pretty normal going from us to japan.
as for other games doing it better,that comes down to how much is done on the server and how much is done on the client.the more that's client side the less it needs to dial home and the less you notice lag...but also the less you need the server and the easier it is to make a free server.

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Originally Posted by MusouMugen

Well, servers are in Canada. So I'd expect players from NA to have few problems.

As for me, I'm EU, and red circles are a pain. If I don't move out of AOE before cast is 50% I will most likely get hit.

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well Canada shares the same time zones as the united states. hyperion is not in Canada and still perfect to me. new York city is UTC -5 eastern u.s.a/Canada. anyone can know where their server time zone is if you just switch the time ingame.

http://www20.speedyshare.com/kHvv3/d...seemslegit.gif

Seems legit.

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Originally Posted by Aminore

well Canada shares the same time zones as the united states. hyperion is not in Canada and still perfect to me. new York city is UTC -5 eastern u.s.a/Canada. anyone can know where their server time zone is if you just switch the time ingame.

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Every NA/EU listed server is in montreal canada. You must have your time settings set up wrong or something. They didnt secretly put some of the NA servers in Europe and not tell anybody.

THIS.

IS.

NOT.

LAG.

In my experience, it's not a lag issue. It's that the AOE indicator is a SEPARATE indicator from the actual casting bar. They are related, but not the same thing.

The AOE indicator shows you Where the attack will be.

The casting bar of the enemy shows you When the attack will hit.

The casting bar is the more important of the 2 indicators since that's what determines whether or not you get hit. As soon as you see the AOE indicator, move. Often, the casting bar finishes well before the indicator disappears.

servers are running about 500ms latency right now (no im not talking about network ping) they must be using python lol
now add in the position update intervalwich is somewhere inbetween 300-500ms
so terrible servers combined with a dumb as rocks client combine to needing a 500 to 1000ms buffer time outside the dangerzone in order to not get hit
course this could all be fixed by anyone with half a brain, but i doubt it will

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Originally Posted by nulian

Do you live in Europe. The EU tag on the servers is nothing more then timezone thing they are in America. So for European players its almost impossible to evade stuff.
It square enix totally not taking European players serious. latency from EU to US is way to big for games you need to evade stuff.

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I'm sorry, but i don't agree to this statement. I live in the EU, have had 0 lag/latency issues and i can dodge AoE/Cone attacks just fine while playing on Sargatanas (NA/EU Datacenter). I'm not saying that people do not have lag/latency issues, but saying that it's impossible to evade stuff for European players is simply not the case for everyone.

Lag/latency issues always depend on where you are, what type of connection you have (ISDN/Cable/FiberOptic) and to which server you are connecting to. If you are experiencing a lot of lag on a world connected to the NA/EU Datacenter, make a new character on a world connected to the JP Datacenter and see if there are any differences in performance.

Then, collect all your findings and post it in the Technical support section of the forum so that SE can investigate the issue at hand. Right now we don't have an official EU Datacenter, but based on the info of the user base they CAN add one down the road. Again, they will need all the info the players can give them.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Aureus

http://www20.speedyshare.com/kHvv3/d...seemslegit.gif

Seems legit.

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Server side checks are awesome, you where out.
How ever with the server latency , your own ping and the fact that the server has to check where you are it just ignores the last part of your movement.

They could have fixed this in beta but the refused, and yes they won't change it now either.
Game is fun but this is annoying and I'm sure people will get fed up with it once encounters get harder than this.

The server side checks and horrible servers in general just kill the fun.


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It feels like I'm not playing the game but learning how to fight latency.
Example:

- When the AOE appears and I finish a heal that has 0.5 left, move out before the red circle vanishes I get hit.

How ever if I move 0.5 second before the heal is done my character glides and finishes the heal + I won't get hit.


This is beyond stupid, if I cancel a spell it should stop instantly.
Not go off when I do it about 0.5 seconds before it goes off.

Yes I can dodge stuff like this but it isn't fun.


Anyway SE fix your freaking servers.

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servers are running about 500ms latency right now (no im not talking about network ping) they must be using python lol
now add in the position update intervalwich is somewhere inbetween 300-500ms
so terrible servers combined with a dumb as rocks client combine to needing a 500 to 1000ms buffer time outside the dangerzone in order to not get hit
course this could all be fixed by anyone with half a brain, but i doubt it will

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It's SE we're talking about.
I've no idea who ever thought this was a good idea.
Yoshi P got inspired by WOW, this is not how wow plays at all it's smooth and responsive that's why people like it.
There is no such thing as this type of /'lag' in wow, even if you play with 300 ms it is better.

I'm not sure if they are being cheap or just incompetent.

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Originally Posted by Leafcore

It means you are getting out too late. The damage isn't calculated when the animation starts, instead it is calculated the moment the cast bar above the monster's life finishes. The center of your body needs to be completely out before red area underneath you disappears, which is right AFTER the cast time of the animation. You cannot wait until you SEE the attack animations, you must get out before.

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This is something I find somewhat stupid. SE should try to sync them better, as good deal of animation is so "long" that the the part where you would actually get hit by it appears a second after the red area vanishes. It just feels so wrong in some situations, and can understandably cause frustration to players if they don't know when the damage is actually calculated.

Anyways, checking your position more than once every 0.3 seconds would help a good deal with avoiding all the red or non-red areas of doom. Sometimes you just get unlucky in a way that the last check happened 2 pixels too early and you still get hit even though you've been out of the area for 0.3 seconds already.

I've noticed, while tanking, that if I use any ability that has a animation and move out of the way i'll still get hit.
And i'm paying close attention to the cast bar so I know I should be fine, but nope still get hit.

This is currently my only issue with the game, everything else is flawless however, it is a MASSIVE issue.

It appears to be a number of things combined that are making it so bad

- Your position is only checked by the server 3 times a second, so essentially everyone is playing with 333ms, you only have to look around towns to see players rubber banding around everywhere.

- Enemy animations have to be in sync with the cast bar completing, currently an enemy starts its animation once the cast is complete meaning that by the time the enemy physically hits you with its attack you are quite often well clear of the animation

- It's pathetic that the cast bar is what defines if you get hit by an AOE attack or not, you're making people play the UI and not the beautiful game you've put in front of them

Currently I'm just levelling and enjoying the game, however by the time end game comes round, I cannot see myself PvPing and raiding with such a broken system.

If you are in the red when the spell is CASTED even if you move out you will be hit... SE has not mastered that yet in their programming lol.

If you move out of the area use a skill asap and you location info on the server ill update and register you out of the area. Sucks that you have to do this sometimes but better than dying.

nah face it slow reflexes are slow reflexes, you wanna stop getting hit then move your hiney faster

Just to illustrate how incredibly broken the current mechanic is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5g4TM1fkCg

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Originally Posted by ElunaMay

Just to illustrate how incredibly broken the current mechanic is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5g4TM1fkCg

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LOL! Now that is broken....

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Originally Posted by Destinova

If you move out of the area use a skill asap and you location info on the server ill update and register you out of the area. Sucks that you have to do this sometimes but better than dying.

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This actually works, I've found myself getting hit by stuff all the time and realized that if you move out of the circle, stand still and try to use a skill (in my case Physick) it will almost always be interrupted but you'll never get hit by the circles, cones, or straight lines. So ya it's like an invisible lag you don't notice. . .it really needs to be handled. . .but on the mean time it's best to just skill cancel as you move out.

I've also noticed JP players doing this, like a PLD jumping to the side and using a skill rq then moving back.

SE please just get rid of the red bars op will continue to play the game. Thanks -jay

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Originally Posted by Aldora

what type of connection you have (ISDN/Cable/FiberOptic)

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Why you leave out ADSL/xDSL? *sniff* :( lol.

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Originally Posted by Rillifane

Why you leave out ADSL/xDSL? *sniff* :( lol.

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Because i.... Um... Forgot...

I'm sorry! /grovel

This is actually considered by SE to be an accepted in game bug:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29

It would still be really nice to have some form of written communication that they're actively planning a solution

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

This is actually considered by SE to be an accepted in game bug:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29

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Good to know. Hopefully they can roll out a fix for it.