Monster Load Priority

I've "done" the Svara fate around 10 times, in the time I've seen Svara for around 15 seconds ish altogether. My ps3 just thinks that rendering useless crap like chocobos and minions (for the love of Christ WHY!?) is more important than the freaking boss! Atleast give us a render priority checklist >>.

High-end PC users will be patronising us PS3 and low-end PC users in future when they have had the opportunity to repeatedly grind FATEs for levels. In the near future (taking into account how rapidly you level with FATEs), High-end PC users will have all the best gear and levels.

On Goblin Server I only first encountered this problem with the Svara fight. It is annoying as hell.

YES! I can't even do certain fates in the South Shroud because they literally just aren't there. I see people attacking, but by the time I can see an enemy it's dead already. It's a combination of them being too weak and the enemies not being visible to me in the first place

I wish I had a hundred thumbs so I could like OP a hundred times.

Whoever thought that seeing players was more important than, seeing the objective, was completely out of his mind.

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Originally Posted by Garronne

how about:

NPC - Party - Mobs - non party players - Companions - SPELL EFFECTS - Minions

the option to disable or limit visible spell effects (none/self/group/all) is fairly standard, and I strongly suspect this plays a factor.
edit: actually found the section, hidden under character config->character. Counter-intuitive place to put a graphics setting, but it is there

Tired of dying to fate bosses (Gorgimera comes to mind) because I can't even see the red due to the ball of bluish-white caused by spell effects.

And seriously, auto-group function on fate 'discovery'

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Not only do I have effects for all characters turned off already, but I also have all names and health bars disabled for everyone who isn't a party member or NPC unless I target them. It still doesn't help. I'm not even near Coerthas in my game yet, and I'm having this issue with popular Fates. Cancer in the the "It's Not Lupus" fate is not playable. I can see plenty of other people fighting and/or standing around getting killed, but no monster. This needs immediate action.

Guys, join a party with PC players (preferably) , they are going to have more of a chance of being able to see and hit monsters. Giving you loads of XP and gold medals, even if you rarely contribute.

It's the only way to do it.

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Originally Posted by Whizawk

Guys, join a party with PC players (preferably) , they are going to have more of a chance of being able to see and hit monsters. Giving you loads of XP and gold medals, even if you rarely contribute.

It's the only way to do it.

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But why should we HAVE to do that? Some people like soloing, some people like doing fates while waiting for duty finder, some people can't find parties regardless of how many shouts and invites they throw out there.

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Originally Posted by Whizawk

High-end PC users will be patronising us PS3 and low-end PC users in future when they have had the opportunity to repeatedly grind FATEs for levels. In the near future (taking into account how rapidly you level with FATEs), High-end PC users will have all the best gear and levels.

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This is where you are wrong sir, i have a high end PC , and on the Svara fight and Behemoth fight mobs dissapear and re appear constantly, this has already been accepted officialy as a bug not only for PS3 users and low end PC users, everyone even us with high end PCs (2,000$+ to be exact) experience this bug.

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Originally Posted by UsagiYojimboPR

This is where you are wrong sir, i have a high end PC , and on the Svara fight and Behemoth fight mobs dissapear and re appear constantly, this has already been accepted officialy as a bug not only for PS3 users and low end PC users, everyone even us with high end PCs (2,000$+ to be exact) experience this bug.

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Svara doesn't even appear once on PS3, let alone the dragon adds. This happens commonly with other FATEs as well, even ones which require you to kill mobs. The sheer numbers of players there causes so many issues and I see people being able to attack all the time when I'm left standing there figuring out what to do.
High-end PC users will have "more of a chance" of being able to see the monsters/bosses in FATEs.

No words needs to be said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy7Bl...ature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by Whizawk

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At least for PC, it has to do with connection speed, not PC speed. It's simply unreasonable to expect a connection to be able to transfer that many packets at once (location of EVERYTHING, data of EVERY PLAYER, every companion, minion, etc., AND monster data). Guild Wars 2 had the same issue in large scale WvWvW fights. There's too many people, too many things for the game to keep track of over a network connection, and as a result it loses data. A lot of it. The problem is that the game isn't putting priority on the packets that pertain to monsters, but instead companions and minions.

The most likely reason this isn't fixed yet is because it probably requires a complete rework of the networking code. It's a lot of work. Doesn't make it acceptable, of course, but just pointing it out.

When they start billing us; all the more reason to complain.

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Originally Posted by Polantaris

At least for PC, it has to do with connection speed, not PC speed. It's simply unreasonable to expect a connection to be able to transfer that many packets at once (location of EVERYTHING, data of EVERY PLAYER, every companion, minion, etc., AND monster data). Guild Wars 2 had the same issue in large scale WvWvW fights. There's too many people, too many things for the game to keep track of over a network connection, and as a result it loses data. A lot of it. The problem is that the game isn't putting priority on the packets that pertain to monsters, but instead companions and minions..

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Yea... it's not a data issue. It's a design issue. EVE online can render 3000+ ships together all shooting lasers and missiles at each other yet it's still playable client side. GW2 no longer has this issue because they got rid of it when they made optimization to fix their shitty design.

bump... i completely agree with this one. this issue is becoming quite the hinderance.

SE this is a wake up call. Your about to start your 1st billing cycle and quite frankly I doubt I'm going to sign up.
Due to the sheer large number of FATE grinds at level 38+ forward... It's impossible for PS3 users to gain the same amount of experience as a PC user.
I can tell you this from facts. I currently play PS3 and my friend on PC . He averages 22k exp Svara Coerthas Central Highlands. I get 2k if I am lucky. Let me put it this way. Why would anyone want to pay to not be able to play. I watched my friend level up twice as fast as me.
How is this fair ? He is doing lvl 50 dungeons waiting on me to catch up.... I keep telling him I cant.. Monsters wont load for me.
He feels bad for me.. and says That SUX. I blame PS3 for junk Hardware.. He makes a point though.. It's SE fault for allowing it to be sold on PS3 broken.

The game being on PS3 was just a fulfilled promise; wasn't ideal. It will be much better on the PS4 given more (slightly better tech) RAM and roughly 2 Teraflops of processing power. Not exactly on par with some 4-8 Teraflop high-spec PC's but it will suffice to play this game.
I can't tell you how important it is that this game badly needs to be on PS4 because it has no future on PS3... A wasted investment.

The problem that will remain after PS4 comes out is the stress on the servers and network latency when being in these populated zones. That is up to SE to find a solution to.

Now that my character is in the 40s I am looking to FATEs to help boost me up to max level. However, that is impossible to do when a monster won't load on my screen. I first noticed it when in the Coerthas area. I'm guessing because the area is so large and filled with so many people. But in particular I attempted the behemoth fate and also the Odin fate today. I saw nothing but the monster's special effects. For information purposes I am playing on a ps3 and have all other player effects turned completely off. What's more insulting is the only time Odin WOULD load on my screen is after he had already killed me. What sense does that make? Please fix it square enix! I don't care about the other player's characters. I'm not a healer. I don't need to see them

The only FATEs I have problems with are Odin and Behemoth. When Odin spawned it was like the entire map had frozen all I could see were aoe's I got close enough to be one shot by a ghost, Behemoth wasn't really any better but atleast could see people moving around although, still got close enough to be killed and couldn't see a thing. This game really needs the option to lower the priority on pc, or limit the amount of pc you see onscreen.

Still nothing from SE regarding this.. what a bunch of BS. Screw this I got other things to play.. GTAV seems like a perfect solution to my problems.
The sheer horror of having to watch 15 chocobo butts in my face during FATES instead of killing monsters is a hard thing to erase from ones mind.
Thanks alot SE.

agree with this 100% man there's some fates i refuse to even go to anymore because the whole time im just standing there watching characters blinking in and out and never seeing the mob

EDIT: PS3 Player

Well since SE wont address this issue thought i would do it for them.

If this impacts the sale of the PS3 version of the game... maybe they will do something about it.

For God Sake.. why put this game out on the PS3 if you knew this would happen.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laY2118joVM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nBVgN7Sd4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npxe3lM-m1c

yes, same issue on Malboro too, its ridiculous that it takes 1000 or so people death zerging to down him and then everyone gets bronze at the end.. its retarded, sorry SE but you need to fix this please!

I hate running across an entire zone to join a FATE just to stand there watching people fight air. Or loose chocobo companions that belong to PCs, running around and warking at invisible monsters. I can't gain EXP if I can't load the models in time because of terrible prioritizing.

I hate doing a FATE, only to not be able to do it because the monster never appears until right at the end when everyone kills it. The MOB should be top priority on the list, with everything else falling second to it.

I have however noticed, that by turning down the visibility of other PC's skill effects helps out a bit(I image if i turned off the ability to see other PC's skill effects altogether it would improve things even more).

THIS! For crying out loud Squeenix fix it! Its bad enough that the fates are mostly such a huge joke to do that it takes a the mind of a braindead monkey to do them, but to not be able to do them at all because of load issues just adds insult to injury. Address this issue and fix it ASAP!

Do these threads ever get an official response ?

I have to admit that current state of Bahemoth or Odin or maybe other major FATE boss fight is pretty useless to try them at the moment. In the first day of the game i did Bahemoth with any issue since almost no one knew about him. Only a bunch of people there. Days or a week later start getting worse and now is like how everyone knows.

SE should have made a priority like in 1.0. Best example was we were in Ul'dah city and make a party, even if that player was at limit of area of vision he was always visible even if we couldn't see any other player. And the same would happen with the NM roaming around or anything.

Now what I see is they make a area around you and that load that number until fill all, ignoring your party members and enemy and NPCS so you can me at 0m and be glued to the boss and still not being able to see it because of the excessive number of players in that area.

They need to put a priority to load or what is always visible like other said: party > enemy > npcs > other players.

But this doesn't happen only in FATEs. When you are in some camp and need to do some quest inside like to try find some NPC they wont be even be visible in the map unless you get super close to them and see the quest marker.

I really hope the patch 2.1 fix this though along with the new content they will introduce.

Well the Odin fate just crashed a lot of people on Ragnarok....hell it looks like the whole world is down infact, this has nothing to do with Ps3, Pc doesn't do it any better. Not untill SE gets their shit together....we'll all be waiting a while then

This shouldnt even be a fate, this should be a DF fight at least...

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Originally Posted by Kurosen

This shouldnt even be a fate, this should be a DF fight at least...

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+1, i still feel bad to fight odin like this...

How does this NOT Have a reply from SE yet? This is a huge problem, are they really just going to ignore it?

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Originally Posted by Whizawk

High-end PC users will have "more of a chance" of being able to see the monsters/bosses in FATEs.

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This is not an issue that is more common on lower end systems and PS3(and to bunch the PS3 as a lower end system is an example of not knowing anything about the PS3). It's a game issue, that is only made slightly worse by your internet connection speed.

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Originally Posted by Whizawk

It will be much better on the PS4 given more (slightly better tech)

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Proves you know nothing about the PS3. the PS4 is actually a technological step backwards from the PS3. The Cell is more powerful then any processor you can get your hands on. Ever wonder why the PS3 only has 256Mb of RAM? Because it runs nothing on RAM after starting the game. Everything is processed so fast that information hardly ever sits in the cache. FYI, the cell was the first processor to exceed petaflops. Peta > tera.

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Originally Posted by Slatervonjager

Proves you know nothing about the PS3. the PS4 is actually a technological step backwards from the PS3. The Cell is more powerful then any processor you can get your hands on. Ever wonder why the PS3 only has 256Mb of RAM? Because it runs nothing on RAM after starting the game. Everything is processed so fast that information hardly ever sits in the cache. FYI, the cell was the first processor to exceed petaflops. Peta > tera.

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The PS3 uses one 3.2 GHz PowerPC-based PPE and six accessible SPEs. A seventh runs in a special mode and is dedicated to aspects of the OS and security. The floating point performance of the whole system (CPU + GPU) is reported to be 2 TFLOPS. PlayStation 3's Cell CPU achieves 204 GFLOPS single precision float and 15 GFLOPS double precision.

Where are you getting Petaflops from?

Great. Nice to know its not me playing on PS3 that is screwing me over. Can we stay on the more important topic of SE fixing this god aweful load priority issue?

Time I get to some fates especially if I'm not the first there I'll see the bar go up from 0 to 100% before the monsters load(unless a boss). I don't do fates in the evening due to this. My pc isn't good enough to handle the zerg. Works fine otherwise, considering how old it is.

Fought Behemoth for the first time ever tonight. Due to this issue it was the worst experience I've had with a game so far. But don't worry I could see everyone's summons just fine.