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What happened to that ridiculous [Request For SE] Disclose the Team Structure for FFXIV thread?

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

And who are these "yay-FFXIV" people? Outside of about a handful of people I've seen everyone is welcoming most of the changes happening.

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Never said no one is welcoming the changes though. When I said yay-FFXIV I meant people that think FFXIV is great just the way it is now, but don't mind changes either.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

What happened to that ridiculous [Request For SE] Disclose the Team Structure for FFXIV thread?

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It got closed.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

What happened to that ridiculous [Request For SE] Disclose the Team Structure for FFXIV thread?

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Deleted I believe.

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Originally Posted by Grimm

He paid for the game so he has every right to be here.

Moving on to more productive talking. I think SE really need's to show something hell maybe open test servers for a few select members testing things that have been done so far. People are saying ''We are playing beta.''
Then let SE treat it like beat throw the buggy content out there and let us do feed back.

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People will complain that it's buggy.

When it comes to FFXIV, there's no "winning situation", people will bitch no. matter. what.

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Originally Posted by Grimm

He paid for the game so he has every right to be here.

Moving on to more productive talking. I think SE really need's to show something hell maybe open test servers for a few select members testing things that have been done so far. People are saying ''We are playing beta.''
Then let SE treat it like beat throw the buggy content out there and let us do feed back.

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they tried to get us to give them feedback. You know what happened? People either just said "It sucks" or they complained in game without posting any reports at all to the dev team. They gave us a feedback period and we abused it.

I don't know if I've made an excuse until the delay for patches as a result of the recent crisis in Japan. But what I've said is there was no excuse for releasing XIV in almost the same state XI was in it's first year, they should of learned from there mistakes. People used to go "oh well XI didn't have that in its first year", wtf, well even more then XIV should of had this. Anima for getting unjankified I understand, what about other transportation for those of us who want it, and another city besides the three main cities sometime within the first year of release. That's all I really wanted :/ I know that programming is hard, but literally that's all I still want. Eff content if I have a chocobo (don't quote me on that, if they came out with content tomorrow I might be like "eh no way cool")

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Information is given when it's ready and final. It's that simple. As yoshida said plenty time (and many other developers said as well,from other games) developing an MMORPG is a matter of sinergy. Systems have to be developed and updated together with others, and things quite often need to be changed even in a very advanced state of development.
Otherwise you have very unpleasant cases (like creative assembly for instance) that throws in promises when they aren't finalyzed, and then ends up breaking half of them, with the fanbase growing angry as hyenas every time one is missed because it was communicated too early.

I'd rather not being fed bull because they need to fill slow weeks to keep the ones that don't have patience happy.



You don't see them? This is rather funny given that the fanbase of korean games is normally extremely bitchy about the fact that they get updates late, and the game released when it's already old and outdated.
Same with the european fanbase of many regional-segregated american games. Go read the countless hate threads spawned by learning that Tera online would have been handled by Frogster in europe.

They can definitely handle being "global". In fact they give us actual game updates at the same time. That's what we're entitled to, since they're part of the product we purchased. Information on future development (or anything else) is not part of the product. It's not something we're entitled to, and as such we should be happy that we're actually getting it in due time (which normally happens to be a few hours of delay, BIG deal).

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1,234! and counting! dude you win!

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Originally Posted by Shikyo

Exactly u say yay-ffxiv i say blind extremist this is exactly the fact.

No matter what the topic the ones with the collars on will bark like hell if anything is said about the poor state of this game.

Its funny to me so i poke at them, they get pissed, hilarious.

The best one is "you have no right if you dont have rnk 50 in all jobs"
Lmfao, really in 20 mins you can see that taking a job to 50 in this game is grueling, not because u have to grind, grinding is fine in my book if its fun with a class you love and friends to do it with, but because the fighting and classes in this game are made of all kinds of last dude in 100 man gbng fail.

I wont waste time lvling these hybrid classes in hopes that the system will be fixed soon and classes worth playing with a fun battle system is coming.

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Yeah a couple of threads I've been in, seems like your opinion is only valid if you have at least ONE rnk 50. My highest is 30... simply because I couldn't log on and do the same leves over and over again. Even if you go to another city, you still get stuck with the same ones. (If you've done them there before).

So I'm taking a break from FFXIV. Playing Rift to pass time while I wait for FFXIV. Whatever time I've got left, I spend here at the forum. Simply to see what the community is saying and what's going on.

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

I don't know if I've made an excuse until the delay for patches as a result of the recent crisis in Japan. But what I've said is there was no excuse for releasing XIV in almost the same state XI was in it's first year, they should of learned from there mistakes. People used to go "oh well XI didn't have that in its first year", wtf, well even more then XIV should of had this. Anima for getting unjankified I understand, what about other transportation for those of us who want it, and another city besides the three main cities sometime within the first year of release. That's all I really wanted :/ I know that programming is hard, but literally that's all I still want. Eff content if I have a chocobo (don't quote me on that, if they came out with content tomorrow I might be like "eh no way cool")

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Not to mention the giant mistake for forgetting to add an item search? :confused: I still don't understand how they managed that...
I mean can you imagine the meeting? "I don't think we should have an item search for players!, "me neither, it's not that important at the beginning of the game anyway." :p
I think they rushed FFXIV release.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

People will complain that it's buggy.

When it comes to FFXIV, there's no "winning situation", people will bitch no. matter. what.

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And there's also the fact Yoshida said he'll never do a wipe. So if they add something they need to make sure it's not exploitable.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

People will complain that it's buggy.

When it comes to FFXIV, there's no "winning situation", people will bitch no. matter. what.

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Yes but then at lest we KNOW we are beta testing. Rather than everyone saying were are just beta testing! 7 months after release just to defend the game.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

And there's also the fact Yoshida said he'll never do a wipe. So if they add something they need to make sure it's not exploitable.

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There is always test servers.

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Originally Posted by Paksenarrion

Yeah a couple of threads I've been in, seems like your opinion is only valid if you have at least ONE rnk 50. My highest is 30... simply because I couldn't log on and do the same leves over and over again. Even if you go to another city, you still get stuck with the same ones. (If you've done them there before).

So I'm taking a break from FFXIV. Playing Rift to pass time while I wait for FFXIV. Whatever time I've got left, I spend here at the forum. Simply to see what the community is saying and what's going on.

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That's elitism, which is found in every MMO community, I just ignore people who speak like that much like high level mages will say "protect and shell is broken, you aren't a 50 mage so you don't know!" yet others can see it has some effect even as a subskill on Marauder.

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Originally Posted by Grimm

There is always test servers.

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Which we don't have ATM

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Which we don't have ATM

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I think we can both agree that FFXIV needs them more than FFXI.

Did anyone here actually participate during the beta? Cause I heard a lot of players were upset due to the team not listening to the players. (Even though it was beta... and that's sort of the whole point?).

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Originally Posted by Grimm

I think we can both agree that FFXIV needs them more than FFXI.

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Pretty much yeah, would make a good suggestion since I'm sure a lot of people would agree.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

That's elitism, which is found in every MMO community, I just ignore people who speak like that much like high level mages will say "protect and shell is broken, you aren't a 50 mage so you don't know!" yet others can see it has some effect even as a subskill on Marauder.

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Yeah i try to ignore it. Then I feel sad because I realize... I'm not max level. =( Lol.:(

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Originally Posted by Grimm

There is always test servers.

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Test servers never get enough traffic to be a surefire vaccine against exploits and problems. That applies basically every game.
Most people don't really "waste" time on test servers when they can be playing on the live ones and work on their character progression.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

That's elitism, which is found in every MMO community, I just ignore people who speak like that much like high level mages will say "protect and shell is broken, you aren't a 50 mage so you don't know!" yet others can see it has some effect even as a subskill on Marauder.

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It's not a matter of elitism. And it's not even a matter of getting to 50. People that talk a lot about things that they simply didn't experience first hand don't hold much credibility.
Even worse, people that didn't play the game for months don't have many tools to actually judge the current state of the game.

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Originally Posted by Paksenarrion

Did anyone here actually participate during the beta? Cause I heard a lot of players were upset due to the team not listening to the players. (Even though it was beta... and that's sort of the whole point?).

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I did and it's not that the team didn't listen to the players, but more of the players not actually giving proper feedback. Let me just give you some examples of the crap that I saw "Battlesystem is broken. Please fix it." "BRs are stupid. Make them back into skillchains." Essentially, every other bug report was a "QQ dis game sux!" report...

Edited the OP this thread is officially about test servers.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Test servers never get enough traffic to be a surefire vaccine against exploits and problems. That's in every game.

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If everyone want's this game fixed as bad as they claim there will be no problem with that.

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Originally Posted by Grimm

If everyone want's this game fixed as bad as they claim there will be no problem with that.

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Everyone wants games improved very vocally in every game I played before.
When it's time to take it upon themselves to use their own time to actually help improving the game by playing on test servers, the developer needs to literally *beg* them to, and use actual development time to devise events and incentives to drag them into it.
And even then, I've never seen a test server with an even decent population (which partly defeats the purpose of even having a test server, mind you).

And mind you, I'm a strong supporter (and user) of test servers, and I believe that Yoshida actually promised their implementation. Though, they are not a be all, end all solution because of their low population.
Not to mention that most of the people that go there in every game, just do so to get a sneak peek of the changes, without having any intention to actually test and send constructive feedback.

There's a lot of difference between demanding improvement vocally, and willing to contribute to improvement practically and constructively. In my (rather long and extensive) MMORPG experience I've seen a lot of the first, much, much less of the second.

It is hard to put a point on this one. Yes, we all would love hot off the press updates. However...

Day by day updates will be small, eg: yeah....we changed,......a code.....if you can read code, isnt this cool.

Also, if SE update publicly too much, they could give info to rival companies, which may jepodise the game further. also, being on a tight rope of PR, they do not wish to make promises they may not be able to keep

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Everyone wants games improved very vocally in every game I played before.
When it's time to take it upon themselves to use their own time to actually help improving the game by playing on test servers, the developer needs to literally *beg* them to, and use actual development time to devise events and incentives to drag them into it.
And even then, I've never seen a test server with an even decent population (which partly defeats the purpose of even having a test server, mind you).

And mind you, I'm a strong supporter (and user) of test servers, and I believe that Yoshida actually promised their implementation. Though, they are not a be all, end all solution because of their low population.
Not to mention that most of the people that go there in every game, just do so to get a sneak peek of the changes, without having any intention to actually test and send constructive feedback.

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While I agree most people won't test properly I will test my ass off. What they can do is use the first OPEN test server as a way to find out who will actually test the content and invite them to later closed testing. Just an idea even thought it would be a pain to do.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

People will complain that it's buggy.

When it comes to FFXIV, there's no "winning situation", people will bitch no. matter. what.

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This, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

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Originally Posted by Grimm

While I agree most people won't test properly I will test my ass off. What they can do is use the first OPEN test server as a way to find out who will actually test the content and invite them to later closed testing. Just an idea even thought it would be a pain to do.

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I'm sure they will have a test server, and i'm sure some will test. I know I will. Just saying that it won't be a be all end all solution, as their effectiveness in other games is rather limited. They're good to find bugs (depending on attendance and activity), but they aren't a good decisional tool, nor they're good for a game's forums, as too many people take what they see on test servers as a final product.

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Originally Posted by Shikyo

LMFAO, REALLY? You have lvl/rnk 1000 in a game makes you feel special, and validates you as a human and gives you merit to insult thoes puny ppl w/o high lvl jobs in a game?

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This is a typical strawman argument. I'm sure no one around here accused low levels to be less than human or insulted them just for the fact that they are low levels.

There's a big difference between that and saying that you need to experience things first hand if you want to have much credibility when discussing about them. Talking about what you don't know isn't exactly conductive to constructive discussion.

Yes Please

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i payed for the game to yet ppl bring up I don't play.

no one here knows what a rushed game looks like. Rushed games have bad graphics (copy and paste are not bad graphics and all games do it)
if you truelly want to know what a rushed game looks like look up two worlds. Its a xbox 360 game out a 2 or more years ago. And the graphics are even worst the the n64 games.
SE admitted bugs were too much, and couldn't put in certain things. And then realised what was put in wasn't resieved well. The lame excuses are what the players come up with. stop with your coperate consipricy theories they have no evidance.

You guys can't deny the bugs in beta that caused server sability issues. A good portion of beta was canceled. In the appology letter it did state that, that they had server stability issues that were not getting fixed.

Still have yet to receive my certificate! Thinking about looking into the matter, but not sure where to start... I use the book for a lot of things.. sketches and things like synthesis recipes or notes

I think we should have hourly updates. I think we should have a live video feed of Yoshi-P's bedroom.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

i payed for the game to yet ppl bring up I don't play.

no one here knows what a rushed game looks like. Rushed games have bad graphics (copy and paste are not bad graphics and all games do it)
if you truelly want to know what a rushed game looks like look up two worlds. Its a xbox 360 game out a 2 or more years ago. And the graphics are even worst the the n64 games.
SE admitted bugs were too much, and couldn't put in certain things. And then realised what was put in wasn't resieved well. The lame excuses are what the players come up with. stop with your coperate consipricy theories they have no evidance.

You guys can't deny the bugs in beta that caused server sability issues. A good portion of beta was canceled. In the appology letter it did state that, that they had server stability issues that were not getting fixed.

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SE, Rushed everyone knows it they were forced to meet a deadline they could not meet and did their best. Not all rushed games are the same they could be rushed in different ways like the diced to skim on the content and UI for this game.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

I think we should have hourly updates. I think we should have a live video feed of Yoshi-P's bedroom.

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He would make for a terrile camgirl :D

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Originally Posted by Abriael

He would make for a terrile camgirl :D

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Now that is just wrong...

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Now that is just wrong...

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More or less than this whole thread?

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Originally Posted by Abriael

More or less than this whole thread?

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Good point, but at least the thread won't give me nightmares xD

That would take all the fun and surprise out of the game entirely. No thank you.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Good point, but at least the thread won't give me nightmares xD

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Pfft, Tanaka fan.


Burn the witch!

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Patience is a virtue people

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I freaking hate this sentence so much. Such an apologist attitude does nothing but lure haters to comment. If you have nothing relevant to say, don't say anything.

In other news, I'd really like to know when Yoshida is taking a dump. Communication plz.