But how do you appeal to the masses? That's the big question for SE now.
You can't just make a wow clone. I mean why play a wow clone when all your friend are in wow and blizzard knows exactly what to give it's core audience? Build off of its successes? Yeah, but a clone won't work.
If we knew exactly what kind of online games the current producer (Wanada?) likes and how he feels about them, we might have at least a little sense where they are going with this.
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04-09-2011, 03:01 PMWinterclaw
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04-09-2011, 03:03 PMBelgianRofl
How, you ask? It's simple... Drastically alter the rules already set in Eorzea.
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04-09-2011, 03:04 PMindira
it already in writing the polls said most of us are ok with a major overhaul with the game. but when is the question.
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04-09-2011, 03:09 PMgifthorseThis game needs to change in some ways, but more than that, it needs additions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablohoney
Additions > change.
You have to be logical about the things you change. If you just went ahead and changed everything to Wow/FFXI but kept the story, lore, music of FFXIV intact... then that would be a change for the worse. FFXIV currently has many novel and innovative ideas which are its selling points and they shouldn't be compromised just for change for the sake of change.
I understand how resistant attitudes can be annoying though. After all, I never wanted aggro indicators and similar things, autoattack etc., but it was people who couldn't deal with the transition from MMOs with those features (read: afraid of change) that forced their implementation.
See the irony?
Meanwhile Guild Wars 2, ArcheAge, and TERA continue advancing the genre. If FFXIV falls back on its laurels it will fail... more.Quote:
There are systems that exist in other MMOs that are tried and true systems that millions and millions of people have vetted and refined over the last 10 years. Many of these systems would benefit FFXIV, but you stand against them for no other reason than you fear FFXIV turning "into wow 2.0" or other such nonsense.
Who cares about WoW? FFXIV should be worried about Guild Wars 2, TERA, and ArcheAge.Quote:
WoW can't touch this game's art and music assets, or the unique characters and environments. Even with a more functional and fun combat system (which this game certainly does not have now) it would NOT become a WoW clone!
People aren't being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn. They are being stubborn because they see merit and virtue in existing systems and consider them better or superior to the replacement systems.Quote:
Right now the stubborn FFXIV fanbase is this game's worst enemy and you're not willing recognize it. The fact that so many of you are already lambasting the new dev team is an example of this. The old dev team had years to make this game and the result was a FAILED game. It has a nonexistant playerbase and terrible reviews. Let the new team do what SE hired them to do and make this game fun.
Auto-attack is for slow battle systems where you go AFK every minute while you wait to use a real ability. What is the point of gravitating back toward a slow battle system? I don't mean to derail this thread into a discussion about auto-attack, but that's the only way I can envision a use for its implementation.Quote:
TL;DR: Autoattack (as an example) will not change what is so special about this game. I really doubt you sit around and spin tales of how much fun you had mashing light strike with your linkshell. Let these people do their job and try to continue to support them. By all means, if they implement a change you don't like, let them know! But you have to be willing to accept a little change. They're not going to keep this game around forever just to please a handful of you.
Just because the active battle system didn't live up to expectations, doesn't mean it was a bad idea. They should have worked on implementing the idea better, rather than caving to the petty demands of people who wanted to, and I quote, "socialise while fighting".
You want to see this game fail: then by all means, don't listen to any of us who try to defend the remaining few aspects of FFXIV that are worth playing the game for. -
04-09-2011, 03:11 PMXatsh
I am not resistant from SE taking the good elements from existing mainstream mmos and making it their own the things I will fight to the death over are the following:
1) Solo based leveling focus (Solo Quest based leveling) <= this has all but destroyed the mmo world now
2) Easy Mode everything, Difficulty mode set on 1 on a 50 point scale. <= seriously if pokemon is more challenging something is wrong.
3) A mmo that you can literally beat in 2-4 months. <= This is known as a consol mmo with online capabilities, not a mmo.
4) All reward and no work <= woo I got the epic gear... 11.98million/12million players have... woot?
5) Forced Alts (Aka job/class locking characters) <= I have no idea why mmos continue to do this crap, huge hit on the community since you have no online persona... guess it helps out the theft, morons, and douchebags since they can just reroll.
6) Small Scale battles only... nothing is epic about saving the world with 1-4 ppl. MMOs need large scale battles as well as smaller ones.
These above 6 things I truly feel are destroying the mmo world in general and turning it into a single player mmo with a chatroom attached.
None of these should be a focus in a mmo at all, they need to have some element of reward and solo content but it should never be a focus in a mmo, it is not what the genre is all abotu.
Outside those 6 SE can strait out borrow ideas from another mmo for all I care.
A mmo is about community (group interaction), a long journey. I play a mmo because I know I will have things to do for years and when I get close to finishing it they will just add alot more. I would rather this game have 100k subs and be original and involve the community and have a deep gaming experience then have 12million subs and be a shallow joke, I could beat in a month if I played 50hrs a week. -
04-09-2011, 04:41 PMZenaku
If ffxiv become more like wow then for me it be a wow clone. I hate that they call it raids and dungeons just becuase it would be a lazy way out of telling wow players it a battle you enter no one see you and you fight -.- Yoshi-p is changing this into more like wow by the look of it.
I bet tanaka would have just called them something new like ffxi bcnm,ksnm,ISNM,ENM and so on at the end yes there called Dungeons and dynamis was our raids. But it just had a good name something diffident that 90+% of mmo are not calling it that what made FFXI for me.
So please yoshi-p ask tanaka for some help and stop trying to get wow players to play at the end they just going to go back to wow even if you get 2% of wow players it wont matter. Soon blizzard come out with there new mmo in about 1-2years it be the same bulls??? as wow vs ffxi now it be FFXIV vs w/e new name they come up with,. -
04-09-2011, 04:47 PMFrebaut
It comes down to the game was sold in it's ALPHA state. They need to remarket the game as a Beta. Buy the client and help creat the world you play in. Also throw in you keep your Character.
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04-09-2011, 09:13 PMAkumu
At this point it doesn't matter if someone feels the game shouldn't change. It has already been decided when Yoshi-P made the poll with majority of the voters around the world supporting a complete overhaul and reworking of the core mechanics. The only thing anyone can do is make solid suggestions, concerns, or just complain until they rage quit.
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04-09-2011, 09:17 PMYUGON
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QUOTE: "There currently aren't enough people playing FFXIV to keep this game going. It simply doesn't make financial sense to keep this game alive if the playerbase doesn't grow significantly. As it stands right now, even if they started charging they'd never turn a profit.
Why then will so many of you not allow this new dev team to make some changes? So much of what makes FFXI and FFXIV special has nothing to do with UI, combat mechanics or auction house/trading systems. These games are special because of their art style and direction, the amazing music, the unique lore, the memorable story events, etc.
There are systems that exist in other MMOs that are tried and true systems that millions and millions of people have vetted and refined over the last 10 years. Many of these systems would benefit FFXIV, but you stand against them for no other reason than you fear FFXIV turning "into wow 2.0" or other such nonsense.
WoW can't touch this game's art and music assets, or the unique characters and environments. Even with a more functional and fun combat system (which this game certainly does not have now) it would NOT become a WoW clone!
Right now the stubborn FFXIV fanbase is this game's worst enemy and you're not willing recognize it. The fact that so many of you are already lambasting the new dev team is an example of this. The old dev team had years to make this game and the result was a FAILED game. It has a nonexistant playerbase and terrible reviews. Let the new team do what SE hired them to do and make this game fun.
And for the love of God, please stop telling people to GO PLAY WOW/RIFT/TOR/TERA every time they mention a change they'd like to see implemented. You do not want to lose even more people at this point.
TL;DR: Autoattack (as an example) will not change what is so special about this game. I really doubt you sit around and spin tales of how much fun you had mashing light strike with your linkshell. Let these people do their job and try to continue to support them. By all means, if they implement a change you don't like, let them know! But you have to be willing to accept a little change. They're not going to keep this game around forever just to please a handful of you"
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04-09-2011, 09:25 PMAbriaelPlenty. Just to bring in a few examples:Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
1: The armoury system and the ability to mix and match ability between classes
2: crafting/gathering brought to the same level of importance of adventuring and a crafting system that isn't just based on pressing a single button and praying it works.
3: class-generic equipment that allows for a reduction of the "army of clones" effect that plagues other newly-released MMORPG (everyone of the same class/level dressed exactly the same way).
4: Market system that joins the search-friendly features of an AH with the ability to windows-shop and encouraging impulse purchases.
Yep.You must be.Quote:
I must be missing something.
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04-09-2011, 09:32 PMPoipori
I want this game to be a success, that is why I hope they change the hell out of FFXIV, this game is wrong in so many ways.
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04-09-2011, 09:43 PMSigtyr
I love how everyone simply expects Auto attack to actually bring in people.
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04-09-2011, 09:49 PMSinzfeldtOh joy rather than getting RSI spamming 1 i can now sit there and watch my character attack instead! Quite the pinnacle of excitement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigtyr
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04-09-2011, 09:49 PMAbriaelYep, while I'm not against auto-attack (i seriously don't care one bit, one way or the other), It is indeed rather funny, and it does show how much the OP knows about what this game needs (and who is actually stubbornly resisting change) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sigtyr
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04-09-2011, 09:52 PMSigtyr
NGE 2.0 man.
NGE 2.0.
I get the feeling alot more people will leave than come back. Besides, the real reason why everyone's leaving is because there's nothing to do. -
04-09-2011, 09:55 PMAbriaelExactly. The majority of the ones that responded to the polls asked for more *content* to be implemented first. Most flaws in the systems (besides the most glaring ones, and in many cases not even those) aren't even noticed by the average player that just comes in to have a good time. What the average player notices is that the game doesn't give him stuff to occupy his time with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigtyr
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04-09-2011, 10:44 PMGriss
of course were not going to see a consensus among the player base on what the "Correct" direction would be. We live in a world where a group of people can not agree on pizza topings. throw in the tribal mentality of were right there wrong among the smaller sub groups that do agree. bake for close to eight months at low temperature. and its a recipe for hilarity.
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04-09-2011, 10:53 PMMalakhim
It sure will be nice once we get some information to actually be able to give some feedback as opposed to seeing these tired threads popping up out of the OP's boredom.
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04-09-2011, 11:00 PMShaolinPretty much my sentiments content is king. Sure some areas need some significant improvements, but convenience is different from substance. On the content front I'm open to any form of it being added.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
The next biggest area imo is leveling.
Simple things like LFG q could improve partying somewhat. Some people like making parties some people like to join parties. A list of who's LFG helps both.
Improvements to behest, more viable leveling mob types, and further tweaking of leves can make the leveling process more enjoyable.
As far as combat system goes. When I go to fight NM's I can just use one bar if I want to, but two things happen when I do that. My DPS as pgl sucks and it's really boring. Lets see I have attack buffs, acc buffs, threat reduction, threat gain, self healing, and other misc stuff. Is pushing standard attack 3-4 times to get a 1000 tp or w/e so bad when you have all those other options to choose from if you level sub jobs? There's all different versions of standard attacks which changes things up further. PGL has pummel, flurry, light strike, and heavy strike. I guess if all you do is push heavy strike all the time yea it gets boring, but I would think that has more to do with play style not the combat system. Unless you want to be forced to play a certain way.
This isn't to say the combat system needs no improvement, but most of what I've seen on posts makes it seem like all people ever do is push one button when it doesn't have to be that way. Far as auto attack is concerned IDC either way, but i don't see the reason in wasting time on it now when content is the major issue. People didn't leave over auto attack from what I saw. -
04-09-2011, 11:08 PMSirEdeonXExactly what I think. This battle system has a huge potencial, and I'm sad to see auto-attack implemented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolin
And I'm sure most of the things people are complaining about wouldn't even be noticed if there was content. A LOT more content lol -
04-09-2011, 11:11 PMJinko
If anything I think the devs are still making their own choices, there has been a massive outcry about the aggro icon and level icons and they are still going ahead with it (middle finger to the haters :P) same can be said about the death penalty as well.
Personally I would sooner see the game become a WoW clone than FF11-2, thats not to say I'm a WoW fan-boy I just think that accessibility is important for any game in this generation. -
04-09-2011, 11:20 PMSirEdeonX
Because let's be honest here - no one left because there was no auto-attack and no one leftt the game because the battle system was bad. There's just no reason to battle for. No content.
If there were chocobos, and airships, and quests, and unlockable things, conquests and other activities like dungeons, no one would give a crap about the battle system.
I'm not saying it doesn't need work. It does, mainly the classes abilities, but I don't think it should be the focus. -
04-09-2011, 11:37 PMdarkstarpoet1
i don't know about everyone else here, but i did vote on wanting major changes also. the thing is if you want to get a feel of what people want do not ask such a vague question. just because we want changes does not mean we all want the same type of changes. instead of that type of vague thing ask more simple questions to see where people feel the changes should be made as a followup survey.
would have been easy to say i see the majority of people have voted for change and want to get further imput.
do you want removal of armory system and replaced with another form of battle system? no
do you want the armory system tweaked to be more efficient? yes
do you want an addition of an auto attack system? no
do you want the addition of more diversity in mobs? yes
do you want the battle regimen system removed? no
do you want the battle regimens to be more streamlined? yes
do you want pvp type content added? no
do you want more storyline content added? yes
do you want chocobo/airship added? yes
do you want larger animations to spells? no
do you want larger mobs? no
do you want new animations that show the diversity between spells ws's? yes
do i want more new mobs not 20 different types of dodo? yes
i just feel a set of followup questions would have allowed them to see what kind of changes people wanted instead of just seeing yes we want changes then making decisions based off what they had in mind and what the players actually wanted with major change. to me major change is not always about completely removing something, but can just as easily be making adjustments that would make the system much easier to use.
i'll just use battle regimens for an example. most complaints come from the fact it is slow and you get locked out of battle while waiting on others to stack in.
1. make it to where when you stack in a spell/ws they remove the mp/tp from being usable like you store it in the regimen, but can continue to fight/heal while others are joining in.
2. allow for combo's to be used within regimens and give an animation of the combination when done within a regimen. ie. archer loads up to shoot an arrow and con turns and throws fire on the arrow. when the arrow hits the mob it kicks up an animation of the name of the combined skill so you know what happened.
3. make the battle regimens feel more unique when the attacks take place. when the regimen gets set off it is just everyone that has been waiting mauls it at once. would be easy to give just a small delay between abilities so you could see each attack hit.
4. during regimens as you get farther into it the attacks get stronger. show how much stronger each attack was over the basic attack by yourself. show people that by being in the regimen their effort payed off.
anyways sorry for the long post, but i was just trying to say that just because most of us voted for change does not mean that we all had the same idea of what changes and that survey did not do a good job of seeing what people actually wanted. -
04-10-2011, 12:15 AMDreamer
I don't have any problem with change, rather I simply don't like some of the changes they're making.
Example: The Battle System
Yes, the battle system has some problems, though to be honest a large part of it is the way the players are approaching it. But rather than recalibrating TP and Stamina cost and streamlining other mechanics, which is all it really needs to be fixed, the developers have decided to gut the entire system and add autoattack to give players their 'I want to watch TV while playing' crutch. They're tearing down the entire house to add a shower stall, and then shouting "Look! The water autoadjusts its temperature for you!"
Example: Auction Houses
The playerbase wants them solely because that's what they're used to from other games. The devs have said that they're investigating an AH implementation, but a few changes to market wards are all that's needed, really. Adding an AH at this point would just be redundant. The market ward system is fine, it just needs functionality. Enlarge the ward area by a factor of 3x, and require retainers to be at a stall instead of cluttering up the floor. Add a price history. Add separate entries for HQ items. Allow us to view the prices of a given item at other cities.
Example: Questing
I don't mind the subquests at all. What I didn't like was the way it was implemented. We spot the convenient ! over the NPC's head. We talk to them, they give us some meaningless task, we go do it. So boring. Let's start with the ! over their heads. Why is that necessary? Are players unable to pick up on points of interest without being beaten over the head with it? A simple message that only the player can see of "Hey <First Name>, can I request your assist with a personal matter? It will only take a moment." is just as easy to spot an more immersive than being bludgeoned with a giant exclamation mark.
Better yet, while not simply add a third type of levequest giver at the inns that handle intra-city request? The quest gives a short blurb about what the quest entails, you go to the NPC who gives you more background and detail. Then you go complete the quest. The guidleve system is a good idea, it simply needs more variety and quantity. -
04-10-2011, 12:17 AMMalakhimYou conveniently left out question 7, which was the one pertaining to his original point. Good show.Quote:
Originally Posted by BelgianRofl
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04-10-2011, 12:25 AMChezen
I agree with the majority of Abriael's statements.
The Op said:
That makes it sound like the one resistant to change is yourself. For all it's shortcomings, FFXIV has been different, and I do want it to stay that way. The approach they took was less broken than it was incomplete.Quote:
There are systems that exist in other MMOs that are tried and true systems that millions and millions of people have vetted and refined over the last 10 years. Many of these systems would benefit FFXIV, but you stand against them for no other reason than you fear FFXIV turning "into wow 2.0" or other such nonsense.
This is not to say that I am against the changes they are making. The Japanese have a tendancy to take something, even tried and true, and make it unique and better. That's what I look for here. -
04-10-2011, 12:29 AMLamhirh
it was still nt majoprity of players. it was majority of people who cared about filling the questonary. Whioch was minority of players.
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04-10-2011, 12:31 AMBelgianRofl"11. Would you welcome changes to FINAL FANTASY XIV that would drastically alter the rules already set in Eorzea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
85.2% - Yes"
6. What is your biggest expectation for the newly restructured development team?
72.4% - An Overhaul to fundamental gameplay aspects
85.2%; 72.4%
ma·jor·i·ty
[muh-jawr-i-tee, -jor-] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the greater part or number; the number larger than half the total ( opposed to minority): the majority of the population.
People hate the battle system in this game. There's like 5 people opposed to altering the battle and class systems... The whole mix 'n match thing drives people away.
http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...2/68/620_0.jpg
1. What do you feel are currently the most significant issues with the battle system?
21.9% - Lack of class uniqueness.
6. In addition to enhancing class differentiation with essential attributes and distinct appearances, we are also looking into introducing class and rank requirements for equipping gear. How do you feel about the implementation of such a system?
70.8% - Yes
8. Would you prefer option 1, option 2, or the current system?
56.0% - Removal of physical levels, and the addition of class-specific allotment of attribute points for each class based on rank.
The majority of american players think content should be added first. The majority of japanese players think the battle system should be changed first. - American's just didn't think this option through, and it is apparent because of THIS: http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...5f3c6910b43377 If we americans really wanted more content first, we would have selected "an accelerated update schedule for our biggest expectation for the newly restructured development team"
Yoshi-P said himself that it makes no sense to add all sorts of battle related content when the battle system is going to be changed. Battle content should and will be added afterwards. -
04-10-2011, 12:55 AMWinterclaw1. GW has this to a degree (job/subjob) as did FF11. Games like UO and EVE don't even have classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriael
2. I hate doing both of these things.
3. It's a good feature, but not exactly important gameplay-wise.
4. Making the markets more search friendly were a step in the right direction, but this game still needs a true AH instead of this. -
04-10-2011, 01:40 AMLamhirh
lol that was funny, deleting post and reposting it under other post, including replies.
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04-10-2011, 01:52 AMJinkoHere's the biggest problem with that, what you are suggesting is basically an AH, all be it with the added effect of character NPC's selling items within an instanced area, if you calculate in the extra processing power and server calls it takes to make the market wards work like an AH on all servers its not worth it, you may as well scrap it completely and make a centralised AH system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamer
Your assumption that people only want what they are used to is only half right they also probably want what is the the most efficient way to buy or sell something. -
04-10-2011, 01:58 AMEpicDaze
I personally think the fan base is low is because SE worked too hard to make this game soo much different then FFXI which was a huge success.
I think they made a game to market to people who have never been a fan of Final Fantasy to draw in new genres of players in the persuit of the all mighty dollar. The game was made so that all ages and skill levels (lack there of) can feel warm and fuzzy acheiving everything they set out to do. I know alot of ppl that have gone back to playing FFXI including myself and I don't think I have heard of anyone that has played all of the FF games speak highly of XIV. You can't throw fish on a bun and call it a hamburger. The result of the extreme changes to the FF template has left a whole lot of final fantasy fans feeling insulted and abandoned. -
04-10-2011, 02:01 AMAnathiel
okay, doesn't really tie in but I see where this is going and i want to let everybody know why alot of people want an AH, why they want change. and then my own idea for a change to the MW ^.-
I really hope they put in the AH, it's so much easier to request custom made gear with a constant stream of crafters always hanging around the AH. we all just need to remember that an AH isn't just a place to buy and sell, it's a hub for crafters, it's also a social hub and hub for gathering people for quests. lol, afterall it is basically the town market.
I really don't want to see the market wards removed, but just moved to the OP's and the small towns on the world maps. it would be great, after awhile certain towns would become player run as people went there to peddle their rare wares and do crafting. not too mention it would be great to pick up items on the fly before going into a dungeon or a few hour long sp grind.
BAM change without hurting anybody, keeping the MW, and implementing AH. we're all happy. -
04-10-2011, 02:06 AMAbriaelAs someone already said (and you promptly ignored):Quote:
Originally Posted by BelgianRofl
And posted all the questions that do NOT put in direct comparison content with systemic changes. There's only one question that puts the two things in direct comparison. And it's "Which of the following issues you would like to see addressed first? (Choose only one)" the majority responded that they want content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malakhim
Can't spin this: In the only question in which poll respondents could chose directly between content and systematic changes the majority chose content. All the other questions are completely irrelevant in the content vs systems issue because don't put them in direct comparison.
Despite what some seem to think, I have to raise your awareness on the fact that the US and Japan aren't the only nations in the world. European respondents also responded in favor of content.Quote:
The majority of american players think content should be added first. The majority of japanese players think the battle system should be changed first.
The majority of the overall aggregated playerbase responded in favor of content.
So because they disagree with you they didn't think the option through?Quote:
American's just didn't think this option through, and it is apparent because of THIS: http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...5f3c6910b43377 If we americans really wanted more content first, we would have selected "an accelerated update schedule for our biggest expectation for the newly restructured development team"
An accelerated update schedule has nothing to do with content in particular. Accelerated updates include everything, not just content and include systematic changes. And that just shows that (unlike you) most people are quite patient and know that it takes time to bring quality updates.
Nope. Yoshida talked only about "endgame" content, not about content in general.Quote:
Yoshi-P said himself that it makes no sense to add all sorts of battle related content when the battle system is going to be changed. Battle content should and will be added afterwards.
It's pretty simple. When explicitly prompted to chose between systematic/combat changes and content, the majority of poll responders answered for content. That's all there's to it and there's no way to spin it, hard as you may try.
Oh and by the way:
This is absolutely laughable.Quote:
People hate the battle system in this game. There's like 5 people opposed to altering the battle and class systems... The whole mix 'n match thing drives people away.
You != people.
You often bring in how "critics" gave low scores to the game, but the "whole mix 'n match thing" was one of the few elements that was praised by basically every critic (with reason). There are very few people that would want the armoury system to be removed. Wanting it to be polished and evolved doesn't mean being driven away by the "whole mix 'n match thing" and doesn't mean wanting it to be replaced. As usual, you confuse your own opinion with that of the majority.
Of course this is a pretty much moot debate, because the armory system and the possibility to mix and match abilities aren't going away. Such a possibility isn't even on the radar.
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04-10-2011, 02:10 AMAbriaelJob/subjob is a completely different setup than the armoury system. It allows a MUCH lower degree of customization. Purely skill-based systems are also completely different from the armory systems. They don't have you chose the *actions* you can perform, but numeric values, unrelated to classes (that don't exist)Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
Your personal opinion. Doesn't make it less of an innovation or less relevant.Quote:
2. I hate doing both of these things.
Innovations don't need to be related only to gameplay to be innovations, or relevant at that.Quote:
3. It's a good feature, but not exactly important gameplay-wise.
Again, your personal opinion. Doesn't make it less a relevant innovation. Economy teaches that impulse purchase are extremely important for a prospering commerce. Pure AH setup kills impulse purchases, the market ward system is pretty much as convenient as an AH (as long as they get polished and evolved), but bring impulse purchases back in the picture -> relevant innovation.Quote:
4. Making the markets more search friendly were a step in the right direction, but this game still needs a true AH instead of this.
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04-10-2011, 02:30 AMBelgianRofl
SE should just leave all systems as is, and just add more monsters and areas. The game will become a huge success. People love the battle system and the mix 'n match class system anyway, and the player polls reflect this.
FFXIV is going to be the most popular mmo of all time, just as long as they don't change anything. -
04-10-2011, 02:33 AMAbriaelThe one above is a typical example of a Strawman Argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by BelgianRofl
There's a lot of difference between keeping the core of the systems upon which the game is based and evolving/fixing/polishing them and "leaving all systems as is".
The addition of sizable amounts of content is, by itself, a very significant change.Quote:
Originally Posted by BelgianRofl
very little to do -> A lot of things to do = Change/profit. -
04-10-2011, 02:35 AMBelgianRofl
Exactly. There's pretty much nothing wrong with the current systems in the game. People love how FFXIV works. Now we just need more of it!
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04-10-2011, 02:38 AMAbriaelAnother strawman argument (plus misplaced sarcasm). No one here argued that there's "nothing" wrong with the current systems in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by BelgianRofl
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04-10-2011, 02:42 AMBelgianRofl
I argued that. It is my opinion that the systems in the game are pretty much perfect. FFXIV's' 49/100 meta score can only be attributed to the fact that Ishgard isn't opened up, and there aren't more areas to fight monsters.