Please let those that already own FFXIV 1.0 purchase preorder privileges

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Originally Posted by Silversnow

If you pre order the ps3 version I guess adding that onto your account would cover the extra goodies with the bonus of being able to use two different platforms.

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This is my plan ^^
Now is waiting time until physical pre-order is available in europe (I want the PS3 CE).

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Only, we're not talking about the collector's edition. As a matter of fact upgrade to the collector's edition for a lower fee will be offered. it's been officially confirmed, so obviously this makes a lot more sense for SE that you'd think.

We're talking about preorder bonuses only, and the sense it makes is exactly the same. Those that will buy a second copy of a game they already own for the preorder bonuses, I can guarantee it, will be a negligible percentage.

On the other hand if SE offered an upgrade to preorder status for a reasonable fee, they'd get a much higher turnaround rate, resulting in making a lot more money.

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I am specifically talking in regards to the pre-order bonus items.

The 'fee' to get these items is pre ordering a new copy of the game, (I was just using CE as an example which I should have just said copy)

But my point still stands-

If SE is simply making these items available for "Pre ordering" a copy of the game (lets say the cheapest pre order you can get is 60$) But allow users to get "pre order status" for paying less - in my previous example 50$ Would you still do it?

My point is- I don't understand what your asking for to get these items- A lesser fee? If so- what if its only a minuscule less fee for just the items?

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Originally Posted by Kaiyoko

The 'fee' to get these items is pre ordering a new copy of the game, (I was just using CE as an example which I should have just said copy)

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No. It's not. That's the price of the game. The items are a *bonus*

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If SE is simply making these items available for "Pre ordering" a copy of the game (lets say the cheapest pre order you can get is 60$) But allow users to get "pre order status" for paying less - in my previous example 50$ Would you still do it?

My point is- I don't understand what your asking for to get these items- A lesser fee? If so- what if its only a minuscule less fee for just the items?

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The point is that Square Enix shouldn't try to capitalize on those already having the game getting a second copy, first of all because it doesn't make sense since they're offering the new game for free ("hey, we're giving you the game for free, but do buy it anyway!" is terribly counterintuitive and rather backwards), secondly because the turnaround ratio for offering the preorder bonuses for a 5-10 bucks fee would be MUCH higher than the negligible percentage of those that would be willing to fully repurchase a product that they're already getting for free.

At SE they're very free to make their own prediction, but I can easily say that for any one willing to fully repurchase the game, there would be at least 10 people willing to pay 5-10 bucks to get the preorder bonuses only. Most people don't like to pay for what they already have. Give them an option to pay a reasonable fee for what they don't have only, and a lot of them will.

Cha-ching.

I'd imagine he's asking for somewhere under the $30 price, since that's the price of the cheapest version, NA PC.

I'm not too worked up over it, though. I'll just use the stuff that comes with the PS3 version, since I need a copy to play on my console anyway.

I might be nice to do this, but I'm not holding my breath; I'd simply want the Mog Cap and Doll just to say I have it, though the material bonus items would be nice to. If I wasn't broke and had a legitmate reason to purchase the PS3 copy, then I'd totally jump on it.

I'll just be happy to play =/

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Originally Posted by Kavaskous

I might be nice to do this, but I'm not holding my breath; I'd simply want the Mog Cap and Doll just to say I have it, though the material bonus items would be nice to. If I wasn't broke and had a legitmate reason to purchase the PS3 copy, then I'd totally jump on it.

I'll just be happy to play =/

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yep i broke too i just going to upgrade my account to CE when they allow us too. But i don't have 40$ to pre order sadly. I wonder how much the upgrade going to cost i hope it not 40$ lol

i get the op point ,
as a first wave player CE-legacy player im getting everything i want an more
except for the pre-order hat and doll , so im not inclined to buy a new full version of the game just for that

am i mad that im not getting it , no i feel like im getting plenty for my loyalty
i feel that SE appreciate me as a loyal player and that im getting reward for it with the things im getting ( lower price / exclusive goody's )

as to the op post and point i do get that
if SE would offer the option to get those items at a small price ( +-10 € ) or part of wen you subscribe for 90/180 day subscription at launch

im not for or against this idea , ether way is good for me

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

yep i broke too i just going to upgrade my account to CE when they allow us too. But i don't have 40$ to pre order sadly. I wonder how much the upgrade going to cost i hope it not 40$ lol

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/index.html

Here is a link to all pricing information. The upgrade to collector's edition is $20 $19.99

For the point of the OP you can get the pre-order perks. You can pay $30 ($29.99) for it. Don't want to do that because you think the extra copy of the disk is pointless? I don't know what to tell you. I'm pre-ordering a CE editions to get all the goodies. I'm even legacy and get everything but pre-order items and physical items anyway. Then again I don't actually buy games all that often so a 1 time of $70 is ok to me to get all the stuff offered.

For those who keep asking about how pre-ordering a new version when you already have the 1.0 version works. If you pre-order ANY copy standard or CE you can apply the code to your EXISTING Square Enix account. The one you log into here https://secure.square-enix.com/accou...quest=accffxiv

You can only apply the codes to ONE Square Enix account. So if you want to start a new account and want the items on that account you will not be able to apply them to your already existing square enix account. If you apply them to your existing account...... well in 1.0 the game registration was a separate code than item code registration. So if that rings true you can apply the item code to your existing account and still have a separate game account. But items are ONE account only. Considering you have until Dec 31, 2013 to apply the item code I would say that pretty much guarantees the game registration code is separate from the item code. So you can apply items to existing account and not waste game code if you want to start a separate account to dual box.

I hope I said that in enough ways so it's clear enough :3
The best bang for your buck is if you want to play on both platforms on the same account. You get the PS3 version of the game and get all the items.

They're collector's edition preorder bonuses, not regular edition. If you already have the collecto'rs edition, you already get these items. If not, you can get them by upgrading to the collector's edition ($29.99 instead of 49.99)

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Originally Posted by Nikkita

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/index.html

Here is a link to all pricing information. The upgrade to collector's edition is $20 $19.99

For the point of the OP you can get the pre-order perks. You can pay $30 ($29.99) for it. Don't want to do that because you think the extra copy of the disk is pointless? I don't know what to tell you. I'm pre-ordering a CE editions to get all the goodies. I'm even legacy and get everything but pre-order items and physical items anyway. Then again I don't actually buy games all that often so a 1 time of $70 is ok to me to get all the stuff offered.

For those who keep asking about how pre-ordering a new version when you already have the 1.0 version works. If you pre-order ANY copy standard or CE you can apply the code to your EXISTING Square Enix account. The one you log into here https://secure.square-enix.com/accou...quest=accffxiv

You can only apply the codes to ONE Square Enix account. So if you want to start a new account and want the items on that account you will not be able to apply them to your already existing square enix account. If you apply them to your existing account...... well in 1.0 the game registration was a separate code than item code registration. So if that rings true you can apply the item code to your existing account and still have a separate game account. But items are ONE account only. Considering you have until Dec 31, 2013 to apply the item code I would say that pretty much guarantees the game registration code is separate from the item code. So you can apply items to existing account and not waste game code if you want to start a separate account to dual box.

I hope I said that in enough ways so it's clear enough :3
The best bang for your buck is if you want to play on both platforms on the same account. You get the PS3 version of the game and get all the items.

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I don't see anywhere that say 19.99$

NVM i found it thank you very much

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

They're collector's edition preorder bonuses, not regular edition. If you already have the collecto'rs edition, you already get these items. If not, you can get them by upgrading to the collector's edition ($29.99 instead of 49.99)

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this is false. Pre-Order items (cait sith minion, mog hat, and early access) are pre-order items regardless of version, standard or CE, PC or PS3 ALL the other stuff physical and ingame are CE items and you can get the ingame CE items for $19.99 USD

I'm still confused about how the service accounts / bonus items work. I'll use my character names / accounts for example if anyone can help clear this up for me.

- I have one (1) Square-Enix Account.
- I have two (2) Service accounts registered under my Square-Enix Account

I've created two (2) different characters for each of the Service accounts

- Final Fantasy XIV 1
Character: Nymourea Fairhelm

- Final Fantasy XIV 2
Character: Rhomagus Asclepiot

I've already purchased two (2) Collector's Editions and registered the pre-order in game items for them (Onion Helm). I also had an FFXI linked service account (Hermes Shoes). I also registered my code from Final Fantasy XIII (Asura's Gauntlets).

I've already purchased two (2) Standard Editions and registered the pre-order in game items (Garlond Goggles) to both accounts.

I'd like to order one (1) physical copy of the PS3 Collector's Edition and one (1) physical copy of the PC Collector's Edition.

Questions

1.) I created Rhomagus Asclepiot before I had the chance to register my Standard Edition copy for Final Fantasy XIV 1.0; so he currently doesn't have access to the Garlond Goggles. Upon recreating him in A Realm Reborn; will I now be able to get this item?

2.) The Hermes shoes are no longer able to be acquired but they're still in game correct? Will Rhomagus' Hermes Shoes be deleted upon logging into A Realm Reborn?

2a.) Will service accounts that were previously tied to an FFXI account be able to gain access to the Hermes Shoes upon character creation in A Realm Reborn if they are not deleted from the game?

3.) Since I'm ordering two (2) physical copies of the Collector's Edition (One for PC and one for PS3), will I be able to register the Mog Cap and Cait-Sith Doll Minion on both Final Fantasy XIV service accounts by using different codes from each platform?

4.) If I want to play as Nymourea on my PS3 and Rhomagus on my PC, will I never be able to play as Nymourea on my PC ever again because I tied her service account to my PS3 account?

4a.) If there is a lock out, does the lock out only apply to the service account or does it apply to the Square-Enix account? Would I have to create another Square-Enix account in order to keep Rhomagus from getting locked out of the PC version as they are both under the same Square-Enix account or would I be fine?

I hate to concern myself over the preorder bonuses considering they're already giving 1.0 CE owners and legacy players quite a lot, but I do hope they have thought about that. I can do without the mog cap, and I'm getting early access anyway, but I really want that Cait Sith minion.

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Originally Posted by Rhomagus

I'm still confused about how the service accounts / bonus items work. I'll use my character names / accounts for example if anyone can help clear this up for me.

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ok after reading your questions I was a little off on my previous post on how this works. As you mentioned you have 2 service accounts on your SE account.

In short since you are purchasing both a PC copy AND a PS3 copy just register each copies code to the service account you wish. They can only be attached to 1. Registering your PS3 code will not keep you from logging on that character on your PC.

Just make sure you register 1 code to 1 service account don't accidently put both codes on 1 service account.

Now if someone only purchases 1 copy of the game and multiple service accounts they will have to chose which one to attach it to and only those characters made on that service account will get the items your other service account is SOL (unless of course it was a 1.0 CE version then you still get the in game CE items from 2.0 just not pre-order.

About your FFXI items I'm pretty confident if you already have them you will still have them. However I was under the impression that one or both of those items you mentioned had a limited time frame for you to add the code to your account so if you didn't do it before that time frame you won't be able to get them now. But I'm not 100% on this part.

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Originally Posted by WolfyShadowheart

That covers the Collectors Edition items but no mention of pre-order items - Cait Sith Doll minion and Moogle cap.

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Think of the way businesses phrase things like programming hardware components. They list absolutely everything that you get, if something is not listed it is a implied not.

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Originally Posted by WolfyShadowheart

That covers the Collectors Edition items but no mention of pre-order items - Cait Sith Doll minion and Moogle cap.

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To get them you have to pre order the box sadly that how it works. It's a gift for people who going to pre-order.

They are doing a lot for us, but I would like them to clear some things up.

If you purchased the regular 1.0 version of the game, you get ARR for free. Makes sense, very simple. You may also pay to get upgraded to the Collectors Edition (See collectors edition below).

If you were a Legacy Member, you get early access, lower costs per month, and some free goodies like a Legacy chocobo mount.

If you purchased the 1.0 Collectors Edition, you get the Helm of Light, Baby Behemoth Minion, Behemoth Barding, and Coeurl Mount. But you do not get any of the ARR Collectors addition physical, or digital items, such as the music or the artwork.

It makes sense that you wouldn't get the physical stuff, since you did get the physical items you payed for when you purchased the original items, some would argue for the digital items.

The question is, though, do we get the pre-order bonus? Some might find it not a big deal, but it seems a bit awkward for them not to give the pre-order bonus' us. This, combined with the want of physical items, causes people like me to want to purchase the Collector's Edition again. Which begs another question, can I link it to my account and get the pre-order bonus on my current account.

Before when you purchased the collectors edition you could not get the items for pre-order, because they were limited to the regular edition, that didn't make sense either.

Many people, like myself, feel a loss when they purchase so much for a game and they miss out on items due to awkward circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

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The game's early adopters are going to miss on the mog cap and the caith sith pet unless they preorder a whole (and for most useless) new copy of the game, those that aren't legacy are also not going to get into the early access.

IMHO it'd be a good idea, like you're offering a Collector's Edition upgrade service, also to offer a service that lets those that got 1.0 "upgrade" to preorder status for a fee (i would say 5 to 10 bucks would be fair).

Personally, I got the 1.0 Collector's Edition on day 1 (preordered it months before release), and I'm a bit sore for missing the collectibles coming with the new preorder, but honestly it would be unfair to ask people to preorder a whole new copy to get the items and early access.

It will also be useful for Square Enix, as it would let them gauge how many of the old customers are planning to return (which is, after all, one of the main reasons for offering preorders).

Pretty please?

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Ok, just to clarify, what we are talking about is pretty much a 5-10$ fee to get the Mog Cap, The Caith Sith Pet, and additional early access time between the end of phase 4 and the official release right? (assuming that since everyone that already has an account will have access after beta3, and they already confirmed that progress is "planned" to be retained from beta4 onward pending any major need to reset)

If that's what your aiming for, then I can't see any reason to argue with support for this. I read the released material a few times, and it doesn't seem that the "Collector's Edition Digital Upgrade" will include any of this, so an additional option would seem to be warranted.

Personally I'm planning on getting the PS3 version just to be able to play on either if I want to, but I support the addition of this option for people that purchased the PC version and want to get the pre-order bonuses without buying the whole game over again.

Had to stop in here and say: Abriael, I've been reading your posts for quite sometime now and you are always very thorough, and concise. You always have a perfectly executed response to those who seem to miss the point, play devil's advocate or want to egg you on. I second your notion, as I want the pre-order items as well. I have a PC copy and don't NEED another copy of the game in any sense. So why make me pay for some plastic, when all I need are redeemable keys.

Thanks for all of your input on the various forum topics :)

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Originally Posted by Spectre

Ok, just to clarify, what we are talking about is pretty much a 5-10$ fee to get the Mog Cap, The Caith Sith Pet, and additional early access time between the end of phase 4 and the official release right? (assuming that since everyone that already has an account will have access after beta3, and they already confirmed that progress is "planned" to be retained from beta4 onward pending any major need to reset)

If that's what your aiming for, then I can't see any reason to argue with support for this. I read the released material a few times, and it doesn't seem that the "Collector's Edition Digital Upgrade" will include any of this, so an additional option would seem to be warranted.

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Yep, that's all I'm vouching for. Options are always a good thing IMHO, the more options people will have to give SE money, the more people will do it, the more funding this game will receive.

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Originally Posted by Javino

Had to stop in here and say: Abriael, I've been reading your posts for quite sometime now and you are always very thorough, and concise. You always have a perfectly executed response to those who seem to miss the point, play devil's advocate or want to egg you on.

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Well, they've already made the decision and people have already started preordering copies of the game. How are they supposed to change it now without facing further backlash?

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Well, they've already made the decision and people have already started preordering copies of the game. How are they supposed to change it now without facing further backlash?

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People who just wanted the in-game items probably haven't started purchasing the game. So, since there has been no clearing up if pre-order items comes with the game, we can assume you cannot get the items without ordering, so that leaves two questions:

1. Will they offer the items for a small price to the people who already own the game, like an upgrade option.
2. If not, will people who pre-order this new copy (most likely because they also want the physical items) be able to link the code to their account and get the items on their current character. This answer is especially important for those who are thinking about purchasing the game again, whether for the PS3 or PC, and the in-game item tips the scale. Obviously a "Yes" answer would tip it in their favor.

From what I understand Preordered games will come with three codes:

Pre-order early access code
Pre-order bonus code
Registration/Product Code

Your preorder early access code and is limited in number and you can only use it before launch...

Your preorder bonus code gets you the items, but you can use it until December 31st. The items are delivered to the account that the preorder bonus is registered to.

According to this information, so long as you have the preorder bonus code, you can choose to put it on any account you want so long as it's a platform/region match. (bonus codes for PS3 and PC are different and don't work cross platform. Same for JP/NA/EU codes. They don't cross regions.)
Your preorder bonus code gets you the items
The registration code allows you to create the service account

If you have a service account already, why not just put your preorder bonus code on your existing account to put those items on your character?

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Well, they've already made the decision and people have already started preordering copies of the game. How are they supposed to change it now without facing further backlash?

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If someone preordered a whole game that they already own for the bonuses, they have only themselves to blame, besides, preorders can be canceled and converted. No one loses anything. If someone really did that, he has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

If, instead, they want the further copy of the game, they're gonna get it, so they lose anything.

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If you have a service account already, why not just put your preorder bonus code on your existing account to put those items on your character?

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Because unless you want to multibox purchasing a product that you already own doesn't make much sense at all.

The lack of early start for people who bought v 1.0 is very poor judgement. A lot of people bought the CE and SE in 1.0 for the early release and sure we got to play a week early, but look how many left because of that. 3-7 Days of an early start is huge in a MMO. Most of the people who aren't Legacy are going to head to new servers and are now behind up to a week because why should they re-buy the game. I though SE wants its old players to return and try out the game again, those of us who are of a competitive nature don't want to return to a game and be behind everyone by a week.

I've been told to pre-order and register the code, then just cancel the pre-order later. This method while giving those of us non-legacy the pre-order bonus it also takes them away from new players. There is already a divide between legacy and non with a whole lot of "I'm better than you" from them. SE you need to stop making it a bigger divide or you will ruin your own community.

This is causing quite a few of my friends to not even want to give the game another chance, since a late start is massive in a mmo.

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Originally Posted by Teloc

The lack of early start for people who bought v 1.0 is very poor judgement. A lot of people bought the CE and SE in 1.0 for the early release and sure we got to play a week early, but look how many left because of that. 3-7 Days of an early start is huge in a MMO. Most of the people who aren't Legacy are going to head to new servers and are now behind up to a week because why should they re-buy the game. I though SE wants its old players to return and try out the game again, those of us who are of a competitive nature don't want to return to a game and be behind everyone by a week.

I've been told to pre-order and register the code, then just cancel the pre-order later. This method while giving those of us non-legacy the pre-order bonus it also takes them away from new players. There is already a divide between legacy and non with a whole lot of "I'm better than you" from them. SE you need to stop making it a bigger divide or you will ruin your own community.

This is causing quite a few of my friends to not even want to give the game another chance, since a late start is massive in a mmo.

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Who told you to use pre-order codes that aren't legally yours? If SE found out about it (such as someone else buying the game you cancelled and then going to SE about their "faulty" code), best case scenario would probably have you lose the items. Worst case, they could ban you for using stolen codes. I would NEVER suggest anyone do anything like this and very much hope no one ever does. It just isn't worth it o.O

But back on topic, I'm going to be getting the new ARR CE via pre-order, simply because I want the physical stuff, but I'd happily spend another $5-$10 for my 2nd account to have the pre-order stuff too if that was an option. I hope they at least consider bringing this option in and the sooner, the better.

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Originally Posted by mbncd

Who told you to use pre-order codes that aren't legally yours?

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I've seen it suggested quite a lot. Just another reason for SE to step in and offer it as a service, making money in the process.

Doesn't really matter too much to me.

The things I care about most are the soundtrack, art book, and video. And those will be offered on ebay soon enough, so... yeah. lol

As I've read more comments and user's opinions, I do agree with how Spectre put it~

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Originally Posted by Spectre

[SIZE=2]If that's what your aiming for, then I can't see any reason to argue with support for this.

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But I do still believe as a company Square Enix will make more money on those willing to buy a duplicate copy of the game, rather than offering it to those at a much less price.

And while we don't and won't have real numbers to back this up and settle the score- I myself have bought the PS3 Collector's Edition just for the new physical items and pre order items, While my wife bought the regular edition ps3 version just for the pre order items. We're both legacy, and both have the original 1.0 CE.

Asking for a lower price of say 5-10$ just for pre order items means they have to get 3-6 additional upgrades' just to combat one regular game pre-order. And while if they think its worth there while to do so- I still believe even if there would be less players buying an additional copy just for the pre-order bonus they'll end up making more money regardless.

(I know at least 5 others excluding myself from my linkshell who have already bought the new Collector's addition & regular addition with no gain other than receiving the pre-order items)

And while I understand to some this might seem absurd throwing 30-70$ at a game just to receive in-game items and those who will not do this- there's plenty who are and will spend a good sum of money even if its only for the in-game items. Even if there are more potential buyer's wanting to spend less money (ex;5-10$) for the pre-order bonus than those willing to spend 30-70$ they're going to need way more buyers for it. And there are those who are willing to that 30-70 just for those in-game items. So while I don't disagree with the idea of allowing this- I don't see why Square Enix would when they can make more of a profit off of those who would be willing to spend 30-70 on a game simply for the 'pre-order bonus' even if there are less of them because they're buying significantly less assets for more money.

Remember while we are players and love to support our companies and love for them to do stuff for us Square Enix is a business.

But I guess we'll never /really/ know

If they support it cool- But Square is a company and will do whatever net's them the most money especially when dealing with a game that's already failed once. (And no I do not think they will fail just because they decided to exclude their older player base for 2 pre order in game items lol).

@Kaiyoko: the big money in MMORPG isn't made with the few hardcores, but with the many casuals (and casuals love little cosmetic items).

Your view is skewed by the fact that you're considering your linkshell as a valid statistical pool. It isn't. Your linkshell is made by people that stuck with the game to its end, which means they are the hardcorest of the hardcorer, and not only they are a negligible percentage compared to the full population of those that will have a chance to come back and try out A Realm Reborn, but they also don't represent the average attitude.

Most of the 800,000 people that bought the game initially and then quit don't exactly share the same unabated enthusiasm towards FFXIV, so they won't be nearly as willing to purchase a whole new copy when their trust in the game still has to be restored (which is the whole reason why SE is giving them the game for free).

Those 5 people in your linkshell, even multiplied by all the linkshells that were left at the end of 1.0 aren't exactly statistically relevant compared to that.

And you're not even considering the fact that preorders can be canceled, leaving square enix with nothing at all. If you preorder a game at a third party retalier and then you cancel the preorder, the publisher gets nothing at all.

On top of that those that ordered the collector's edition should not be counted, as they obviously do it for the physical items (which are definitely very compelling, it's a very good CE). If they just wanted the preorder bonuses they wouldn't get a CE, but a standard edition would give them the same result.

Those would still get the CE even if this kind of service was to be offered.

It's exactly because SE is a business that they should do this. Counting on people to repurchase what they already have in large numbers isn't exactly a sound business practice (on top of the fact that it sends a very counterproductive message, as offering a perk and then trying to encourage people not to take advantage of it, by purchasing anyway what they'd get for free isn't a marketing message one normally wants to pass).

Sure, some people in your linkshell may be willing to repurchase it, but people in any linkshell that was left at the end of the game are a drop in the sea of the overall userbase.

Also remember that there's a very relevant element that most people here forget:

By selling a 30 bucks game, Square Enix doesn't gain 30 bucks. You need to take all the printing fees, material costs, distribution fees and the retailer cut off that. It's a miracle if SE gets 10 bucks of net gain per copy from the whole process (probably less, actually).

On the other end, selling only the bonuses for 5-10 bucks means that almost all that money is a net gain, as all you have to subtract from it is the implementation cost for the system to sell the upgrade, which is negligible because they are already making a similar one for the collector's edition upgrade, and this system can simply be added to that.

So it's very likely that the net gain per unit sold would be nearly equivalent or even equivalent with this system, and I'm quite sure no one'll argue that this system would not sell a lot more units than duplicate preorders.

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Originally Posted by Teloc

The lack of early start for people who bought v 1.0 is very poor judgement. A lot of people bought the CE and SE in 1.0 for the early release and sure we got to play a week early, but look how many left because of that. 3-7 Days of an early start is huge in a MMO. Most of the people who aren't Legacy are going to head to new servers and are now behind up to a week because why should they re-buy the game. I though SE wants its old players to return and try out the game again, those of us who are of a competitive nature don't want to return to a game and be behind everyone by a week.

I've been told to pre-order and register the code, then just cancel the pre-order later. This method while giving those of us non-legacy the pre-order bonus it also takes them away from new players. There is already a divide between legacy and non with a whole lot of "I'm better than you" from them. SE you need to stop making it a bigger divide or you will ruin your own community.

This is causing quite a few of my friends to not even want to give the game another chance, since a late start is massive in a mmo.

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Legacy is kinda.. already the community, because they stuck around to take care, and support this "crippled dog." Any New player/ff fan will not care or be proud of such a feat, and will be proud to be apart of/join the already established community.

Haters are always gonna hate. And in definition aren't part of the solution, or community

I have a feeling the pre-order items will become available for purchase sometime in the future. Though it may take a few months because SE wants to optimize pre-order numbers. $10 sounds very reasonable for Cait Sith and the Mog Cap after launch. Right now SE is providing us with a way to show our support and get some cool items. Which I'm ok with. (Insert "Shut up and take my money!")

I own the 1.0 Collector's but pre-ordered the PS3 Collector's from SE yesterday for the physical items, the pre-order items, to have FFXIV ready for the PS4, and to thank Square Enix. Yoshida and the team have worked their asses off to make ARR an MMO deserving of the name "Final Fantasy." Square Enix is hoping we'll take the opportunity to show them some love by upgrading to Digital Collector's or picking up a new copy.

Pre-order from the SE store, give them your money instead of a third party. SE will give you a code for early access, you'll probably be leveling Arcanist before your physical copy shows up in the mail. They'll take care of us. They're coming through on their promises.

Most of us that read these threads have followed ARR for quite a while. All of you likely played more than I did. I didn't come back until the final month. But I signed up for my vacation days this morning, I'm psyched about ARR. I think y'all are too.

I hope Yoshi-P gets to brag about pre-order numbers at E3.

It's Friday,

I've been drinkin,

Cheers! :)

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Legacy is kinda.. already the community, because they stuck around to take care, and support this "crippled dog." Any New player/ff fan will not care or be proud of such a feat, and will be proud to be apart of/join the already established community.

Haters are always gonna hate. And in definition aren't part of the solution, or community

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Sorry, but this is the most nonsensical thing I heard in the whole thread. Now those that aren't legacy aren't part of the community?

Belonging to the community isn't measured by how much money one paid, and mind you, it's entirely possible to be legacy and having paid less than someone that isn't (IE, someone that bought the CE and paid for two months, and someone that got the standard but paid for three months just to get legacy privileges, and I know people in both positions).

This has nothing to do with "haters". No one here is "hating".

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I have a feeling the pre-order items will become available for purchase sometime in the future. Though it may take a few months because SE wants to optimize pre-order numbers. $10 sounds very reasonable for Cait Sith and the Mog Cap after launch. Right now SE is providing us with a way to show our support and get some cool items. Which I'm ok with. (Insert "Shut up and take my money!")

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No. SE isn't "providing with a way to show our support". The preorder campaign isn't made for the existing players unless one wants the physical collectors or the PS3 version. It's made for those that never bought FFXIV. I'm sorry, but it's not very realistic to believe that SE is banking on people buying the PC version twice. Their number will be negligible anyway in the grand scheme of things.

To be completely honest encouraging people to buy what SE (rightfully) decided to give them for free is quite the anti-consumer stance, and basically encourages the company to take advantage of people's passion for the game in a quite underhanded way, thing that I don't believe they're doing, as they probably just overlooked the possibility.
What SE needs is people to come back and try the game in big numbers (which is why they're giving the game away for free), and to stick with it and pay the monthly fee.

Allowing existing players to purchase the preorder bonuses for a fee is *exactly* a way to give existing players a further way to support the game, and a reasonable one (as expecting them to buy a product that they already own isn't reasonable), that transforms into an almost 100% net gain for SE, without flying in the face of logic.

Preorders aren't a "way to show support". They're a way for companies to gauge how many copies of a game they need to print without leaving too many unsold ones on the shelves, and for MMORPGs, they're even more important, as they provide a way to gauge how many players will hit the servers at release. As a matter of fact by encouraging people that already own the game to preorder, you encourage them to throw off those statistics, and as many other games demonstrated, launching a MMO with too many servers is everything but healthy for a game.

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Well, I'll be pre-ordering another copy anyway, so it doesn't make a difference to me. So I'd be bias on this topic.

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Me too =D i want the soundtrack and goodies!

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I have a feeling the pre-order items will become available for purchase sometime in the future. Though it may take a few months because SE wants to optimize pre-order numbers. $10 sounds very reasonable for Cait Sith and the Mog Cap after launch. Right now SE is providing us with a way to show our support and get some cool items. Which I'm ok with. (Insert "Shut up and take my money!")

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I doubt this is the case, if nearly a decade of FFXI is any indication. Once promotional items are gone, there is virtually no chance of scoring that same item, barring the release of a "different" item that shares the same model. I think the P2p subscription model strongly discourages the formation of "cash shop" content, which is pretty much what this thread has been asking for.

SE please allow us to pre-order the digital upgrade (and get the pre-order bonuses along with it)!

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SE please allow us to pre-order the digital upgrade (and get the pre-order bonuses along with it)!

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This wouldn't really be sufficient, as it would exclude those that got the 1.0 CE in the first place.

I had the 1.0 CE and Legacy, but I already pre-ordered the ARR CE cuz I want the actual physical stuff that comes with it. The only downside I see to the system is that I've just taken away an early access code from someone who might actually need it.

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I had the 1.0 CE and Legacy, but I already pre-ordered the ARR CE cuz I want the actual physical stuff that comes with it. The only downside I see to the system is that I've just taken away an early access code from someone who might actually need it.

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Then give that early access to a friend who does not have legacy or have money to buy the game :).

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This wouldn't really be sufficient, as it would exclude those that got the 1.0 CE in the first place.

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Of course I rather they allow us to buy pre-order status (or whatever name you choose to pick for it lol) but since the digital upgrade is an already exsisting product, they could just let us pre-order it like the rest of the products, thought It'd help if I pointed it out that way.

I want that mog cap ( ' ^ '
I'm Legacy too but I got the 1.0 standard