Materia

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Originally Posted by Zumi

In most mmos crafters make stater gear or gear thats slightly worse then raid gear and they still could do that.

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Not in FFXIV, :) Best gear is self crafted-self melded materia ;) go figure other MMOs suck because crafting wasn't really needed till end game, which bores me. At least XIV did it right.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Nah, then crafter's wont be needed don't they? Is fine the way it is suppose to meld in, you do not just simply slot the materia, but you actually have to hammer it in thus melding a materia, not slotting :) . Just need more innovation to added some flavour.

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I had an idea to make materia a craft, kind of an combination of enchanter and jewler. FF7 slotted materia btw.


Didnt you post in that thread? Swore you did lol

IMO best gear should come from any source of hard action. Both dungeon and craft.

Making the materia system FF7 slot based wont eliminate the need for crafters. reduce maybe, but someone still needs to make the gear to get slotted.

Last they said before this, they were going to increase meld rates and do some other balanicng stuff with materia so one piece with multiple materia isn't OP anymore.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I had an idea to make materia a craft, kind of an combination of enchanter and jewler. FF7 slotted materia btw.


Didnt you post in that thread? Swore you did lol

IMO best gear should come from any source of hard action. Both dungeon and craft.

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True, but if someone able to spend time on melding, they be surpassing dropped gear :)

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Originally Posted by Reika

Making the materia system FF7 slot based wont eliminate the need for crafters. reduce maybe, but someone still needs to make the gear to get slotted.

Last they said before this, they were going to increase meld rates and do some other balanicng stuff with materia so one piece with multiple materia isn't OP anymore.

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I find this reversal puzzling. The whole point of multi-melding was supposed to be extra powerful abilities. From the beginning it was sold as a way to be OP... and now that's suddenly bad?

Anyway, I don't know what caused the change of heart, but I would like to still have something to strive toward besides mediocrity.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Making the materia system FF7 slot based wont eliminate the need for crafters. reduce maybe, but someone still needs to make the gear to get slotted.

Last they said before this, they were going to increase meld rates and do some other balanicng stuff with materia so one piece with multiple materia isn't OP anymore.

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Yes make it where the crafters have to put slots on gear to be able to slot materia so you can't just slap materia on a piece of gear rather take it to your crafter buddy have them put a slot on the piece of gear you want (with chance of fail and not sloting or chance of putting in more slots with hq) and boom now you can place a materia in but will need a jewel crafter (maybe) to get it out without breaking gear (doing it yourself without jewel crafting will break gear..why not?)

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I find this reversal puzzling. The whole point of multi-melding was supposed to be extra powerful abilities. From the beginning it was sold as a way to be OP... and now that's suddenly bad?

Anyway, I don't know what caused the change of heart, but I would like to still have something to strive toward besides mediocrity.

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I thought it was because the korean upgrade system is just frustrating since its all about chance and nothing about skill or time.


10000 hours, 10 hours you still have the same chance. Though imo that means totally modifying the system from how it is now.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

True, but if someone able to spend time on melding, they be surpassing dropped gear :)

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Well you'd make dropped gear have slots, and crafted gear with slots. Now that dropped gear has slots you would give crafted gear a slight buff since both would have their own terms of standing. Then add more recipies to crafters such that there are epic recipes that are par to par of dungeon equipment in strength and challange to get, and then step up gear that is fairly cheap and can get you a quick leg up.

Edit: I like Forgo's idea of letting crafters of the type of item they craft they can add slots to it.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Last they said before this, they were going to increase meld rates and do some other balanicng stuff with materia so one piece with multiple materia isn't OP anymore.

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I'd prefer to see slots and costs with non stackable materia.


so you could have a 2 cost strength materia +5 strength or a 1 cost strength materia with +3 strength.

With a 3 slot armor you could go:

+5 Strength
+3 Dex

Or

+3 dex
+3 strength
+3 mind

That way you could think about the strategy of stats.

But then if you are thinking only a single slot, that isn't what people wanted. the original plan for melding many materia is much much better than slotting, my understanding of slotting is like more akin to you can only slot up to 5 slot of materia instead of what we have, melding multiple times up to 7x with very low % of melding chance.

It give more sense of a challenge to do so. Then you're regular MMO just slot that gem in and be done with it. zzz

Yeah Shougun, you lost me at "Korean Upgrade System" lol. If you care to, you'll need to break it down for this neophyte.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Yeah Shougun, you lost me at "Korean Upgrade System" lol. If you care to, you'll need to break it down for this neophyte.

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Have you played many korean games (not trying to be rude, I've played like 10 and all of them had it lol)? They almost always have this upgrade system where you spend a lot of money at a chance to upgrade your weapon. Each time you upgrade it your chance to break the weapon goes up. So getting a max level weapon is all about chance. (The F2P ones have this one most often)

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

But then if you are thinking only a single slot, that isn't what people wanted. the original plan for melding many materia is much much better than slotting, my understanding of slotting is like more akin to you can only slot up to 5 slot of materia instead of what we have, melding multiple times up to 7x with very low % of melding chance.

It give more sense of a challenge to do so. Then you're regular MMO just slot that gem in and be done with it. zzz

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You can only go up to 5 slots anyways in FFXIV lol, you just probably will break it before then.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

lol what the difference with what you say and what we have now?

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I see the current way you have a chance to lose gear and materia, new way mentioned, including crafter puts slots in requested item, you only would lose the equipment. With how the system of double-RNG was with 1.0, I would rather the loss of fail not be as great.

Also, with non-stackable materia, people wouldn't be able to stat stack, which i see as a problem with the old system and is why crafted items became OP when people got lucky. Instead they will have to balance their stats out.

I dont think there should be materia slot costs tho. They should all just take one slot, and instead additional duplicate materia added of the same stat in the same piece would be reduced 50% to discourage stat stacking.

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Originally Posted by Reika

I see the current way you have a chance to lose gear and materia, new way mentioned, including crafter puts slots in requested item, you only would lose the equipment.

Also, with non-stackable materia, people wouldn't be able to stat stack, which i see as a problem with the old system and is why crafted items became OP when people got lucky. Instead they will have to balance their stats out.

I dont think there should be materia slot costs tho. They should all just take one slot, and instead additional materia added of the same stat in the same piece would be reduced 50% to discourage stat stacking.

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Thats a good idea too~ :P


But yeah stat stacking lamur lol

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Oh I don't have an issue with changing the methods of melding. I'm just curious as to why they saw the need to lower the effect of materia.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Oh I don't have an issue with changing the methods of melding. I'm just curious as to why they saw the need to lower the effect of materia.

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Easy peasy hint, DAT ASS Garuda~

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Yeah Shougun, you lost me at "Korean Upgrade System" lol. If you care to, you'll need to break it down for this neophyte.

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Yes, 1.0's equipment upgrade system kinda has KMMO written all over it. I've played a lot of them, they like to blow you gear up in upgrade processes. Some even have RNG based crafting where you have no control over the success or fail of the process.

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Oh I don't have an issue with changing the methods of melding. I'm just curious as to why they saw the need to lower the effect of materia.

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Actually, they stated only that 'stats from gear and from points allocated from levelling will be equally as important' and that was that.

do I have to dig up caymates post again...

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Originally Posted by Camate

Snurble here in your thread~! :p

I wanted to give you some details on what's being planned for stats in A Realm Reborn.

In regards to battle-related stats, it is currently possible to receive large boosts from stats on equipment, while character stats do not have as much of an effect. For example, equipping items with multiple materia melded to it will allow players to become quite powerful. In A Realm Reborn, we are planning to make adjustments so that the ratio of influence from character stats and from gear stats is 1:1. With this, having 5 materia melded onto a single item won’t elicit as large of a difference like it does currently.

Similarly in the current version, even when players add large amounts of INT and STR via equipment with multiple materia and such, it may feel like damage is not increasing and this is due to a damage range that has been set. Fundamentally, battle related stats fluctuate based on the level difference between enemies, and this is also why we are not planning to display evasion rates and other things.

For crafting, the stats in A Realm Reborn will have a greater influence than now, and for gathering, the requirements to obtain HQ items will be visible!

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Easy peasy hint, DAT ASS Garuda~

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Mm... I saw that as more of a design problem with the fight itself. I don't see that as the materia's problem. I DPS'ed higher than the BRDs and PLD on WHM of all jobs.

But if I can't be strong enough to make fights run more smoothly, be it tank, healing or DPS, wouldn't it just make everyone more or less the same stat wise?

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Mm... I saw that as more of a design problem with the fight itself. I don't see that as the materia's problem. I DPS'ed higher than the BRDs and PLD on WHM of all jobs.

But if I can't be strong enough to make fights run more smoothly, be it tank, healing or DPS, wouldn't it just make everyone more or less the same stat wise?

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No one seems to care but imho.. WHM OP!!! lol I've seen a WHM with non DD gear deal near my damage before and I wasnt taking breaks, wasnt missing my excurciate combo, and I had DD gear on. (It didnt help the monster wasnt weak to my elements though).


WHM stone on a stone weak monster will win a BLM any time in DD. Its kind of annoying actually. Who knows in ARR though.

lol WHM was not OP, it was just stronger than people are used to seeing. It's nice to see a healer that doesn't hit like a baby. I liked helping DD on WHM. It made it more interesting and less boring.

Thanks for posting that Reika, but it still looks like materia won't be worth as much as it was. In time or Gil.

So how am I supposed to pump up my character stats along side my newly wimpified materia stats? Splitting the stat pool just seems to make it more complicated. :(

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

lol WHM was not OP, it was just stronger than people are used to seeing. It's nice to see a healer that doesn't hit like a baby. I liked helping DD on WHM. It made it more interesting and less boring.

Thanks for posting that Reika, but it still looks like materia won't be worth as much as it was. In time or Gil.

So how am I supposed to pump up my character stats along side my newly wimpified materia stats? Splitting the stat pool just seems to make it more complicated. :(

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Well you'd still pump up your character with materia, its just less obvious when someone is single wielding or dual wielding. (hoping there will be some cool materia like add sleep effect, or abilities)..


I'm going to have to test what they mean by this stuff though, like I wonder if that means I can solo more stuff naked :rolleyes: lol

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Well you'd still pump up your character with materia, its just less obvious when someone is single wielding or dual wielding. (hoping there will be some cool materia like add sleep effect, or abilities)..


I'm going to have to test what they mean by this stuff though, like I wonder if that means I can solo more stuff naked :D lol

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Gyoo... I was hoping to see less naked runs. >.<

So basically our stat-plan will involve a) character stast b) gear stats and c) materia slotted in d) food and meds.

Oi, oi oi, I'm going to need a calculator to change jobs now...?

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Gyoo... I was hoping to see less naked runs. >.<

So basically our stat-plan will involve a) character stast b) gear stats and c) materia slotted in d) food and meds.

Oi, oi oi, I'm going to need a calculator to change jobs now...?

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Well.... Assuming you only get limited stat resets I'd be careful how you allocate your character stats (since its half your character now).


I hope there is more calculations given to players. Else I'm just going to stick to my stats and save my respecs till someone uses theirs to figure it out ;P lol

Same here. :(

I hope they get materia to work on a slot system like in ffvii. I also want to be able to keep my materia and level it up over time like in ffvii. Not that they will do it, but that's how I always pictured materia would work when they mentioned materia initially for xiv.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Yea that was one of my biggest beefs about the old system, you couldn't slot raid gear or AF.

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Because that wasn't the purpose of the system.

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

In A Realm Reborn the materia system will be seeing a revamp and we're planning to announce some interesting details before the beginning of Beta Phase 3, so expect to learn more around then!

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So the dev team changed mind? Time ago Yoshi-P said that the materia system will not change greatly, but they will raise the % of success for multiple meld.

I hope in no more luck system, but in predefinied slot like, normal mode content 1 slot, hard mode same piace but 2 slot, and same with craft, nq 1 slot, hq 2 slot to place materias..

I would love SE to do as the OP suggested. Both ideas are solid. If SE implement this idea or close to it, I'm sure the community would welcome it.