Woo-hoo! Journalism Fail!

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Originally Posted by Catapult

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That game where warfare for nationalistic ideals, resources, land, wealth and religion can exist independent from violence?

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

this kind of crap will exist until the current generation is supplanted from power by the next one, who will then look to a newer form of media to place the blame

I wonder what the next "you damn kids and your rock and roll" will be

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Those kids, hanging about at the Globe theatre watching stuff from that upstart William Shakespear. It's rotting their brains and making them think suicidal thoughts.

or maybe...

Books!?!? There's no point in kids reading since they'll just loose their grip on reality! And they ruin your eyes!

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

I wonder what the next "you damn kids and your rock and roll" will be

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The reason high school kids are getting dumber every year? I'll bet it's because those kids didn't grow up watching real cartoons. Instead of watching cats fly jets, ducks go on adventures, vehicles fight crime, and various antics by a trio of....black dog-things...? ... their brains are being melted by sponges and starfish. Man, I feel sorry for kids these days, their school buses didn't fly or transform either!

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

A mind can only take so much Mario and Pokemon before it finally snaps and a person goes berserk.

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Please don't jump on my head or sic your yellow mouse on me! Anything but that!

The market creates the demand and the developers feed it. Regardless of the dreadful lack of quality in the article, the general inuring of people to sexualised and violent attitudes is a broad reality for which a portion of responsibility has to be accepted.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

To be fair, it wasn't Kotaku that failed, it was the German Press. So meh

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Nope, it was a single journalist from a Munich newspaper, not the German press.

IGN even pointed out that the FFXIV relation to this case was rather weak and unfitting.
The journalist said he got the FF account related information from the police, while the police report didn't mention the FFXIV account at all.

Come on now.. we all know the easy answer is always the right answer.
Video games = bad
Adding more Fluoride to the water = good

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Originally Posted by SidRheingold

Nope, it was a single journalist from a Munich newspaper, not the German press.

IGN even pointed out that the FFXIV relation to this case was rather weak and unfitting.
The journalist said he got the FF account related information from the police, while the police report didn't mention the FFXIV account at all.

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Some doof mentioned the killer played final fantasy online and he thought "surely that is where only people stab others repeatedly and in psychotic fashion! Never before has this happened before the game industry did so!"

To be fair, its a tabloid. Tabloids aren't known for the truth. One picture of any of us and they'd spin a tale about how we were leaving our husbands and taking the baby with us.

If I were SE I would look into suing the paper, for trying to damage the company, show people that this kind of situation are to do with mental health rather than video games (and the false accusation that the guy was cosplaying a Final Fantasy character)

Sonic came out when I was a kid, and I never knew of anyone jumping on fat people claiming they were saving the world from Dr Robotnik.

I played Mortal Kombat as a kid on the mega drive (or genesis for anyone in NA) and I haven't tried to freeze people solid and uppercut them, or have a harpoon fly out of my hand shouting "Get over here!"

How long before this happens and Mario gets banned.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I'm not sure if you're secretly agreeing with me or not. Kotaku is poor journalism at its finest and deserves nothing but contempt for it.

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Your face is poor journalism at it's finest!

OOOOOOOOOOOH! :o

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Originally Posted by Gramul

seems legit

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Ahahahahaha.... no.

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

this kind of crap will exist until the current generation is supplanted from power by the next one, who will then look to a newer form of media to place the blame

I wonder what the next "you damn kids and your rock and roll" will be

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Damn you kids and your so called "swag". >_>

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

That's not bad.

Last week Ralph Nader called video game developers "electronic child molesters".
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...ild-molesters/

Scapegoating videos games for social issues seems to be popular.

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To be fair, no one can deny that video games have had a negative impact on society in many ways just like text messaging has changed how social many younger people have become, i.e less social face to face and more text text text.

Also murders via video games is pretty common in places like Korea and China. So while this particular case is meh, it's actually not that uncommon.

Murders happen by people who play and do not play video games. Blaming them as the cause is absurd, there has to be a real medical study to actually make a link not an assumption.

All murders happen by people who breath air... Does this mean air is the source of our violence?

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Oh god Kotaku. Could you have warned us at least? I don't want to give that s**tty "journalism" site any more hits.

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Kotaku only reported the story from german media, It isn't their own story.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

To be fair, no one can deny that video games have had a negative impact on society in many ways just like text messaging has changed how social many younger people have become, i.e less social face to face and more text text text.

Also murders via video games is pretty common in places like Korea and China. So while this particular case is meh, it's actually not that uncommon.

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This goes along the lines of blaming McDonald's for being fat. No the cause is much deeper than just a simple "the video games made them do it". Social education is beyond neglected worldwide, mental illnesses that develop around puberty are often either misdiagnosed or ignored, and the family structure has completely broken down which often leads to the neglection and solace found in escapism... IE video games.

So yeah easy answer = video games fault.

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Originally Posted by Lady

This goes along the lines of blaming McDonald's for being fat. No the cause is much deeper than just a simple "the video games made them do it". Social education is beyond neglected worldwide, mental illnesses that develop around puberty are often either misdiagnosed or ignored, and the family structure has completely broken down which often leads to the neglection and solace found in escapism... IE video games.

So yeah easy answer = video games fault.

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Pretty much, it's not the cause, but it's simply a factor that triggered it and it's easy to put the blame on the source. Just like people say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people", yet I'm pretty sure the gun bullet to your head was the cause of your death therefore it's easy to blame guns.

Though the fact it seems some never heard of people getting killed due to MMO drama in asia is kinda odd o.O, guess it never really hits western news sites. So you can't blame the MMO telling people to kill, it simply triggered the unstable nature of the person.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Pretty much, it's not the cause, but it's simply a factor that triggered it and it's easy to put the blame on the source. Just like people say "Guns don't kill people, people kill people", yet I'm pretty sure the gun bullet to your head was the cause of your death therefore it's easy to blame guns.

Though the fact it seems some never heard of people getting killed due to MMO drama in asia is kinda odd o.O, guess it never really hits western news sites. So you can't blame the MMO telling people to kill, it simply triggered the unstable nature of the person.

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Uh, if a person is willing to kill someone because of an MMO, chances are their "unstable nature" was triggered long before they sat down at a computer. Really, all they needed was motive and opportunity to carry out their deed. If not over an MMO, it could have happened in line at Kroger because they saw someone in front of them in the "10 items or less" lane with 11 items. Just my humble $0.02.

Wow.. Just wow.

Just wondering because we play FFXIV, if any of this is to be believed, how many sheep, squirrels, dragons etc have you all killed recently? We play FFXIV so we must all do this because it's what we do in game.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Just wondering because we play FFXIV, if any of this is to be believed, how many sheep, squirrels, dragons etc have you all killed recently? We play FFXIV so we must all do this because it's what we do in game.

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Well currently I'm working on getting my weaving to lvl cap IRL, but next I plan on slaying some dragons that keep swooping down in my backyard. I think they want to steal my chocobo that I drive to work everyday.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

Uh, if a person is willing to kill someone because of an MMO, chances are their "unstable nature" was triggered long before they sat down at a computer. Really, all they needed was motive and opportunity to carry out their deed. If not over an MMO, it could have happened in line at Kroger because they saw someone in front of them in the "10 items or less" lane with 11 items. Just my humble $0.02.

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Just like getting bullied, there will be a certain time when the kid finally snaps and decides: You know what, it's time for you to die. So regardless if they could kill at any time, there's always that breaking point and that's where the source gets blamed.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Just wondering because we play FFXIV, if any of this is to be believed, how many sheep, squirrels, dragons etc have you all killed recently? We play FFXIV so we must all do this because it's what we do in game.

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Watching violence has never been linked to causing violence. Playing video games has never been linked to antisocial behavior. Just because someone survived the Holocaust did not make them prone to violence. Being abused at home (regardless of age) does link to later violent behavior. Genetics makes a person more likely to develop antisocial behavior. Religious beliefs are a strong cause of acting out.

So the world does not change due to video games.

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Originally Posted by Nayto

Ahahahahaha.... no.



Damn you kids and your so called "swag". >_>

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Ornamental flowers and grab bags from conventions...

I love asking what the word means to people that use that word like that. Either they can't answer because they have no idea what they are saying or they just put general "coolness". A word for coolness..

Oh well there is always words being destroyed as time goes on lol, like "gay". Which was a sort of happy freedom attribute a person could have. Even more recently its being used to refer to things that are lame or stupid. Which is an unacceptable mix of trending.. Happy, Homosexual, Stupid/Lame.

Some word trends are just embarrassing lol

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Originally Posted by Delsus

If I were SE I would look into suing the paper, for trying to damage the company

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That would open the huge can of worms where SE would be fighting those people famous for being rigged and bias.. It would get messy.. XD

Seen on twitter: "Japan had 11 gun deaths in 2011. I forget, do they play video games over there?"

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

That's not bad.

Last week Ralph Nader called video game developers "electronic child molesters".
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...ild-molesters/

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Hell I remember back in the 80's when Dungeons and Dragons (Yes the board game) was being blamed for people going crazy for cocoa - puffs.
Its easier to blame video games then the real issue - which is dealing with the mental aspect of human behavior. ( Or in other words taking responsibility for ones behavior and actions. )

Common sense in society seems to be in short supply while stupidity seems to be in in high demand with law makers.

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Originally Posted by Callence

Common sense in society seems to be in short supply while stupidity seems to be in in high demand with law makers.

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It's not stupidity. Investigating the latest controversy in "outrage-aholic" societies is a very effective way to get press coverage and gain supporters. And the opposite, saying no and/or presenting data and studies to the contrary, comes across as ignoring the will of your constituents. A lawmaker doesn't even have to effect real change, just hold investigations or maybe draft a bill if the interest lasts that long.

As far as this story: The mob outrage mentality doesn't care which video game it is. It's "close enough", even if the actual game had been a non-SE game. Ever hear of Jim Jones or the expression "drink the Kool-Aid"? It was actually Flavor Aid. "Who cares?" you say? Yeah, same thing here. :)

Disclaimer: My thoughts and views do not represent those of my employers.

As a games programmer who works on the exact kinds of violent games that are once again drawing the ire of the public, I am in full agreement that the games are not the problem. Games are art. I'm glad that people enjoy the art that I help to create, and I want people to enjoy what I help to create. However, if enjoying our work is making you uncomfortable, we can't help you with that. It's not about whether it's our job to help you with that, it's literally we cannot tell you what the right answer is for you. That's a discussion that can only be held between you and the mirror.

I can only tell you my answer, which works for me: It's all fantasy, an escape, an opportunity to step outside of who I am and be someone else for a little while, until I come back to who and what I am. I went home and played through Bulletstorm one weekend. I thought the game was hilarious. It's rare to see a game so openly focused on gratuity. I had a blast playing it. One other evening, I went home and played through Journey. I found the game to be very emotionally affecting, and I found myself replaying it several times over. But in the end these games are just fantasies; they can help me explore my psyche, and that can help me decide who I want to be, but they can't tell me who I am.

Edit: One more thing I wanted to add, upon reflection. We're not holding a gun to your head. If it bothers you that you like our creations, and you are worried about the effects of that... well, stop buying our creations. Asking us to stop making the things you're buying because they might, in excess, be bad for you is a little like asking the great state of Vermont to stop producing cheddar cheese. Which is, of course, ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

this kind of crap will exist until the current generation is supplanted from power by the next one, who will then look to a newer form of media to place the blame

I wonder what the next "you damn kids and your rock and roll" will be

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

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If the guy was really emulating the world ends with you, He'd have killed her with a soda machine.
Just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Quick blame something for our own problems!

Oh I know, he played tetris and that made him a violent person!

Edit: Wolfie, Kotaku is reporting someone -elses- poor journalism, they are not the ones that screwed up.. this time.. lol

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Dude tetris brings out the worst in people...it still haunts me to this day what it has done to my family....

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Originally Posted by valetarkus

Dude tetris brings out the worst in people...it still haunts me to this day what it has done to my family....

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You know, I bet 75% of all the murderers in the united states have at least heard of the game tetris.... maybe you found the key to all the violence!

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Originally Posted by Lady

You know, I bet 75% of all the murderers in the united states have at least heard of the game tetris.... maybe you found the key to all the violence!

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Tetris had shown me how to turn my knife in different directions to stab people in different ways >.>

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Originally Posted by Firon

Tetris had shown me how to turn my knife in different directions to stab people in different ways >.>

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That made me laugh so hard, I had to call my sister and tell her that one.

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Originally Posted by SkyeWindbinder

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:o


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Originally Posted by IndigoDarkwolf

Disclaimer: My thoughts and views do not represent those of my employers.

As a games programmer who works on the exact kinds of violent games that are once again drawing the ire of the public, I am in full agreement that the games are not the problem. Games are art. I'm glad that people enjoy the art that I help to create, and I want people to enjoy what I help to create. However, if enjoying our work is making you uncomfortable, we can't help you with that. It's not about whether it's our job to help you with that, it's literally we cannot tell you what the right answer is for you. That's a discussion that can only be held between you and the mirror.

I can only tell you my answer, which works for me: It's all fantasy, an escape, an opportunity to step outside of who I am and be someone else for a little while, until I come back to who and what I am. I went home and played through Bulletstorm one weekend. I thought the game was hilarious. It's rare to see a game so openly focused on gratuity. I had a blast playing it. One other evening, I went home and played through Journey. I found the game to be very emotionally affecting, and I found myself replaying it several times over. But in the end these games are just fantasies; they can help me explore my psyche, and that can help me decide who I want to be, but they can't tell me who I am.

Edit: One more thing I wanted to add, upon reflection. We're not holding a gun to your head. If it bothers you that you like our creations, and you are worried about the effects of that... well, stop buying our creations. Asking us to stop making the things you're buying because they might, in excess, be bad for you is a little like asking the great state of Vermont to stop producing cheddar cheese. Which is, of course, ridiculous.

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lol, with all your hand washing your fingers are beginning to prune dear :P